Australian Politics Forum - The Attack On Weekend Penalty Rates

Sir Crook

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The Attack On Weekend Penalty Rates
Feb 19^th, 2016 at 8:27am

Sunday penalty rates on the chopping block as Fair Work Commission considers plan for flat weekend rates
February 16, 2016
Herald Sun

SUNDAY penalties are again looming large as a major election-year issue after the Fair Work Commission agreed to consider a plan for a flat weekend rate across key industries. Sad

A plan which would end inflated Sunday rates for retail and hospitality workers was part of a Productivity Commission report last year into possible reforms to Australia’s industrial relations framework.

A ruling from Fair Work Commission president Iain Ross has boosted the hopes business group advocating for change after allowing key chapters of the report to be submitted by employers.

The full bench of the Fair Work Commission is due to receive closing submissions on both sides of the argument by April 1 with five days of hearings to begin from April 11.

Opposition employment spokesman Brendan O’Connor said the Government had set up the Productivity Commission review to give them cover for and ideological attack on penalty rates.

Mr O’Connor said the Fair Work Commission decision to consider the proposed cuts was the “final stage of the Government’s stealth attack”. Sad

“Malcolm Turnbull pronounced the death of the weekend, claiming that lower penalty rates are an inevitable part of a seven day economy, but the reality is that seven out of ten Australians still work Monday to Friday,” Mr O’Connor said.

The Retail Council has backed the recommendation to align Sunday penalty rates for the retail and hospitality sectors with Saturday rates and has encourage the Fair Work Commission support the measure.

Restaurant and Catering Australia has argued Sunday surcharges did not allow establishments to meet the shortfall and most restaurants and cafes trade had traded at a loss if they open on Sundays.

The Turnbull Government has argued the responsibility for setting award wages and conditions, including penalty rates, sits with the independent tribunal and not the Commonwealth.

Unions such as United Voice and The Shop Distributive and Allied Employees’ Association are drumming up support for a campaign ahead of this year’s federal election.

They are warning that thousands of Victorian retail and hospitality workers and their families would struggle to make ends meet if penalty rates were cut.

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Re: The Attack On Weekend Penalty Rates
Reply #1 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 11:53am

Compulsory outside the market 'penalty' rates are a major cause of unemployment.

I therefore wish the "attack" on penalty rates the utmost of success.

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Unions such as United Voice and The Shop Distributive and Allied Employees’ Association are drumming up support for a campaign ahead of this year’s federal election

They are warning that thousands of Victorian retail and hospitality workers and their families would struggle to make ends meet if penalty rates were cut

The thousands of unemployed "retail and hospitality workers" would be much better able to make ends meet if they had a job.....penalty rates are keeping them out of one....Unions such as United Voice and The Shop Distributive and Allied Employees’ Association are keeping them in poverty... Sad

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: The Attack On Weekend Penalty Rates Reply #2 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:18pm
Back to top	Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) IP Logged

Sir Crook Ex Member	Re: The Attack On Weekend Penalty Rates Reply #3 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:30pm Yes well said Mr O'Connor, it looks like the union campaign has to go ahead, to protect the low income workers penalty rates. Thank you unions for helping with this important matter.
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Re: The Attack On Weekend Penalty Rates
Reply #4 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 12:33pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 11:53am:

Compulsory

outside the market

'penalty' rates are a major cause of unemployment.

I therefore wish the "attack" on penalty rates the utmost of success.

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Unions such as United Voice and The Shop Distributive and Allied Employees’ Association are drumming up support for a campaign ahead of this year’s federal election

They are warning that thousands of Victorian retail and hospitality workers and their families would struggle to make ends meet if penalty rates were cut

The thousands of unemployed "retail and hospitality workers" would be much better able to make ends meet if they had a job.....penalty rates are keeping them out of one....Unions such as United Voice and The Shop Distributive and Allied Employees’ Association are keeping them in poverty... Sad

The market-place is governed: you're not crapping on about the concept of free-markets that exists in your head are you?

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Re: The Attack On Weekend Penalty Rates
Reply #5 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 3:57pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 11:53am:

Compulsory outside the market 'penalty' rates are a major cause of unemployment.

I therefore wish the "attack" on penalty rates the utmost of success.

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Unions such as United Voice and The Shop Distributive and Allied Employees’ Association are drumming up support for a campaign ahead of this year’s federal election

They are warning that thousands of Victorian retail and hospitality workers and their families would struggle to make ends meet if penalty rates were cut

The thousands of unemployed "retail and hospitality workers" would be much better able to make ends meet if they had a job.....penalty rates are keeping them out of one....Unions such as United Voice and The Shop Distributive and Allied Employees’ Association are keeping them in poverty... Sad

The thousands of unemployed "retail and hospitality workers" would be much better able to make ends meet if they had a job

Not very honest are they - what a load of rubbish. There would be no improved employment.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59374 Here Gender:	Re: The Attack On Weekend Penalty Rates Reply #6 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 4:02pm Removing penalty rates is more likely to damage these industries as people walk away.
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BigOl64 Gold Member Offline Posts: 14438 Townsville QLD Gender:	Re: The Attack On Weekend Penalty Rates Reply #7 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 4:34pm Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 4:02pm: Removing penalty rates is more likely to damage these industries as people walk away. And then the industries will either pay more or shut up shop; welcome to the free market kids.
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Re: The Attack On Weekend Penalty Rates
Reply #8 - Feb 19^th, 2016 at 5:40pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 11:53am:

Compulsory outside the market 'penalty' rates are a major cause of unemployment.

I therefore wish the "attack" on penalty rates the utmost of success.

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Unions such as United Voice and The Shop Distributive and Allied Employees’ Association are drumming up support for a campaign ahead of this year’s federal election

They are warning that thousands of Victorian retail and hospitality workers and their families would struggle to make ends meet if penalty rates were cut

The thousands of unemployed "retail and hospitality workers" would be much better able to make ends meet if they had a job.....penalty rates are keeping them out of one....Unions such as United Voice and The Shop Distributive and Allied Employees’ Association are keeping them in poverty... Sad

A wish that will be unfulfilled.

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Re: The Attack On Weekend Penalty Rates
Reply #9 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 8:55am

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 4:02pm:

Removing penalty rates is more likely to damage these industries as people walk away.

And then the industries will either pay more or shut up shop; welcome to the free market kids.

Precisely.

Remove "Compulsory outside the market 'penalty' rates". Penalty rates actually establish themselves naturally as 'reward' rates. It's why elite sports people get paid a motza.

If no one is lining up to take a job then the market will quite naturally push the wage rate up, (no whinging from unions about market forces when this happens mind you) conversely, when there is unemployed people, looking for that job, why keep them unemployed, and pay and already employed person double time for the same work? It totally defies logic. It is stupid. It's one significant reason why Australian business is uncompetitive.

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Sir Crook Ex Member	Re: The Attack On Weekend Penalty Rates Reply #10 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 9:01am One should not assume the unemployed want to work weekends without penalty rates. No slave labour please.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: The Attack On Weekend Penalty Rates Reply #11 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 9:09am Quote: One should not assume the unemployed want to work weekends without penalty rates. No slave labour please. ...one should not assume that the unemployed don't want to work weekends without penalty rates. Slave labour already exists under the guise of progressive taxation.....
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21732 ACT Gender:	Re: The Attack On Weekend Penalty Rates Reply #12 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 9:14am Swagman wrote on Feb 20^th, 2016 at 9:09am: Slave labour already exists under the guise of progressive taxation 7/11 Stores .....
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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21732 ACT Gender:	Re: The Attack On Weekend Penalty Rates Reply #13 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 9:18am Methinks Swaggie is one of those managers that is jealous that his staff earn more than him through penalty rates and overtime He has been sucked in to a mangers job that has a set salary with no perks.
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Re: The Attack On Weekend Penalty Rates
Reply #14 - Feb 20^th, 2016 at 9:37am

BigOl64 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 19^th, 2016 at 4:02pm:

Removing penalty rates is more likely to damage these industries as people walk away.

And then the industries will either pay more or shut up shop; welcome to the free market kids.

The plan is meant to benefit these businesses not to close them down ?

- the conservative mind is a thing of wonder.

This could be the story where the dogma ate the restaurants.

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