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Reply #120 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:33am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:16am:
You employ people because you need them, nobody is going to employ people they don't need just because it is a bit cheaper just as today people employ the number of people they need.


Bingo!

If penalty rates were abolished staff levels would remain the same, and employers would pocket the extra cash.

Why would they employ more staff to do the same amount of work?

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Reply #121 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:38am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:16am:
I never heard of an employer who considered penalty rates when he / she neededs a new employee, it just isn't a factor in the equation


.....ok so you've "never heard of an employer who considered penalty rates when he / she needed a new employee," and so, that just makes it so?  Roll Eyes Grin

Sounds very much like 'Pecker's arguments'.  Pecker says "so", so, it, must be so...... Cheesy

You must have attended the same union meetings?  Cheesy

Dnarever wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:16am:
  it just isn't a factor in the equation


...If any employer does not consider what effect the cost of employing someone is going to have on their business, then in all likelihood their business will soon be in strife.  Sad

I guess that's why the majority of business people don't tend to be leftists?

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Reply #122 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:40am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:33am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:16am:
You employ people because you need them, nobody is going to employ people they don't need just because it is a bit cheaper just as today people employ the number of people they need.


Bingo!

If penalty rates were abolished staff levels would remain the same, and employers would pocket the extra cash.

Why would they employ more staff to do the same amount of work?



...to expand, sell more and make more profit, and employ more people.  That's what being in business is about.
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Reply #123 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:42am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:16am:
I never heard of an employer who considered penalty rates when he / she needed a new employee, it just isn't a factor in the equation.


Correct.

You either need a new employee, or you don't.

Penalty rates aren't something new.

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Reply #124 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:46am
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:33am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:16am:
You employ people because you need them, nobody is going to employ people they don't need just because it is a bit cheaper just as today people employ the number of people they need.


Bingo!

If penalty rates were abolished staff levels would remain the same, and employers would pocket the extra cash.

Why would they employ more staff to do the same amount of work?



...to expand, sell more and make more profit, and employ more people.  That's what being in business is about.


Business isn't about employing more people - it's about making profit.

If penalty rates are abolished, they'll make more profit without lifting a finger.

Where do you think the money being taken from the workers is going to go - to the government; some third party?

It goes straight into the pocket of the employer.

More profits, without doing a thing.





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Reply #125 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 5:39pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:46am:
Business isn't about employing more people - it's about making profit


.....unemployment is low and wages growth is high when business is profitable

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Reply #126 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 5:41pm
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 5:39pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:46am:
Business isn't about employing more people - it's about making profit


.....unemployment is low when business s profitable



If penalty rates are taken away from workers, businesses will become more profitable, without having to do a thing, and unemployment levels will remain exactly the same.

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Reply #127 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 5:45pm
 
....tell that to the all the unemployed ex-manufacturing workers
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Reply #128 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 5:50pm
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 5:45pm:
....tell that to the all the unemployed ex-manufacturing workers


Do you think they'll understand it better than you?

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Reply #129 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:07pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 5:50pm:
Swagman wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 5:45pm:
....tell that to the all the unemployed ex-manufacturing workers


Do you think they'll understand it better than you?



.....no I expect that they have been thoroughly brainwashed by their union just like yourself
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Reply #130 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:09pm
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:07pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 5:50pm:
Swagman wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 5:45pm:
....tell that to the all the unemployed ex-manufacturing workers


Do you think they'll understand it better than you?



.....no I expect that they have been thoroughly brainwashed by their union just like yourself


No brainwashing here - just common sense, and facts.

If penalty rates are taken away from workers, businesses will become more profitable, without having to do a thing, and unemployment levels will remain exactly the same.
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Reply #131 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 8:10pm
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 5:39pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 11:46am:
Business isn't about employing more people - it's about making profit


.....unemployment is low and wages growth is high when business is profitable



Wallets are slaming shut in Libs tenure , confidence drives economies , and the Libs are inspiring ZERO confidence amongst all but a rusted on
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Reply #132 - Feb 24th, 2016 at 10:21pm
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 5:45pm:
....tell that to the all the unemployed ex-manufacturing workers


.....the ones who've been sold out by their 'bosses' who are pursuing a 'global economy' life and lifestyle?

Who else kicked those workers in the back, but those who thought they saw a chance for more income as an 'internationalist' or a 'global economy player"?

You ever read my learned assertations on this forum?  It's all pie in the sky...... and Cloud Day is coming...
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Reply #133 - Feb 25th, 2016 at 7:02am
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 5:45pm:
....tell that to the all the unemployed ex-manufacturing workers



Or you could try to find someone it is relevant to tell ?
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Reply #134 - Feb 25th, 2016 at 7:41am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 25th, 2016 at 7:02am:
Swagman wrote on Feb 24th, 2016 at 5:45pm:
....tell that to the all the unemployed ex-manufacturing workers



Or you could try to find someone it is relevant to tell ?


So you think that 'unemployed ex-manufacturing workers' are irrelevant?

....maybe you should ask these "irrelevant" folk whether a full weeks wage without a penalty rate, is preferable to the dole they're getting now?  Huh
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