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Reply #135 - Feb 25^th, 2016 at 12:05pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:02am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 5:45pm:

....tell that to the all the unemployed ex-manufacturing workers

Or you could try to find someone it is relevant to tell ?

So you think that 'unemployed ex-manufacturing workers' are irrelevant?

....maybe you should ask these "irrelevant" folk whether a full weeks wage without a penalty rate, is preferable to the dole they're getting now? Huh

maybe you should ask them if they'll do a full weeks work for the equivalent of a china mans wage?

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Reply #136 - Feb 25^th, 2016 at 12:06pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:02am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 5:45pm:

....tell that to the all the unemployed ex-manufacturing workers

Or you could try to find someone it is relevant to tell ?

So you think that 'unemployed ex-manufacturing workers' are irrelevant?

....maybe you should ask these "irrelevant" folk whether a full weeks wage without a penalty rate, is preferable to the dole they're getting now? Huh

First of all, how do you know they're on the dole?

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Reply #137 - Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:02am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 5:45pm:

....tell that to the all the unemployed ex-manufacturing workers

Or you could try to find someone it is relevant to tell ?

So you think that 'unemployed ex-manufacturing workers' are irrelevant?

....maybe you should ask these "irrelevant" folk whether a full weeks wage without a penalty rate, is preferable to the dole they're getting now? Huh

First of all, how do you know they're on the dole?

...it's a fair bet if they're unemployed Pecker?

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Reply #138 - Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:52pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:02am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 5:45pm:

....tell that to the all the unemployed ex-manufacturing workers

Or you could try to find someone it is relevant to tell ?

So you think that 'unemployed ex-manufacturing workers' are irrelevant?

....maybe you should ask these "irrelevant" folk whether a full weeks wage without a penalty rate, is preferable to the dole they're getting now? Huh

First of all, how do you know they're on the dole?

...it's a fair bet if they're unemployed Pecker?

How do you know they're unemployed?

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Reply #139 - Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:52pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:02am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 5:45pm:

....tell that to the all the unemployed ex-manufacturing workers

Or you could try to find someone it is relevant to tell ?

So you think that 'unemployed ex-manufacturing workers' are irrelevant?

....maybe you should ask these "irrelevant" folk whether a full weeks wage without a penalty rate, is preferable to the dole they're getting now? Huh

First of all, how do you know they're on the dole?

...it's a fair bet if they're unemployed Pecker?

How do you know they're unemployed?

....how do you know they're not?

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Reply #140 - Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:50pm

Worker loses penalty rates , has less disposable income , slams wallet shut ( a common narrative since sept 2013 ) , lets get this straight , are you trying to tell us the economy is going to improve when wage growth is the lowest its been in 18 years , unemployment at record high levels , you dont even have a GFC and you libtards want us to believe cutting penalty rates , is going , to bring us back to prosperity Grin

no wonder you lost the 2016 election

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Reply #141 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:35am

Its time wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:50pm:

Worker loses penalty rates , has less disposable income , slams wallet shut ( a common narrative since sept 2013 ) , lets get this straight , are you trying to tell us the economy is going to improve when wage growth is the lowest its been in 18 years , unemployment at record high levels , you dont even have a GFC and you libtards want us to believe cutting penalty rates , is going , to bring us back to prosperity Grin

no wonder you lost the 2016 election

The very fact that wages growth is low is testimony to the fact that industrial relations policy should be aimed at making business more competitive. Unions don't employ many people, business employs the most people and business keeps the economy going. Unions with their anti-competitive behaviours do their level best to bash business and make it uncompetitive and then wonder why there is unemployment?

Business is more profitable when it is competitive (winning business). To be more competitive sometimes it has to drop its price. When demand is low it will drop its price compared to its competitors to win more business. When business is profitable, unemployment declines and wages go up NATURALLY. This is the market. Penalty Rates ENFORCED for no other reason than the day of the week or the time of the day or what type of day it might be WITHOUT a corresponding increase in production, or increase in sales revenues are just a dead friggin weight around the neck of both business and the economy.

Penalty rates enforced outside market conditions simply make product more expensive, when it's more expensive it's harder to sell, when business sells less product, it gets less revenue, and less revenues mean less profits, and less profits leads to unemployment, less tax revenues for Govt and cuts to services (unless there's a Labor Govt and then it means much more public DEBT.

On the other hand if business is booming and labour is in short supply the short supply of labour will pull it's price up.

For example, If you are a Plumber sole trader and get called out to fix a blocked dunny on a Sunday you can quote double or triple your rate because of the inconvenience. Same work different price. The householder is free though, to shop around and get another plumber that is cheaper, to do the job. If they can't, then they have to pay more, if they can, they pay less. (a fair market)

If all the Plumbers get together however, and demand triple payment on Sundays, that is anti-competitive illegal collusion. What's the difference between that and enforcing a business to pay double time for example on Sundays for the same work when there may be a pool of unemployed people willing to do that work, at a lower price? (outside the market) Huh

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Reply #142 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:30am

You can make businesses more competitive by broadening their market base by having more people in viable income strands, who will then buy products at a greater rate, thus improving the efficiency and profitability of the companies that employ those people.

Raising the cost of living on the end users by imposing a lower tax regime for companies, thus shifting the burden onto those end users, is a lose-lose game. It is obvious the end users are being robbed, and at the same time the companies are destroying their own market base.

Companies simultaneously cutting their own throats by competing in a global market that pays peanuts to the majority of workers offshore, a decidedly unlevel playing field, is never going to be the answer, either, for the simple reason that they are destroying their own market again.

No market left here.. no market left there..... so let's pillage the workers again by extorting taxation concessions from a government that will then shift that burden of taxation to the majority via GST ... it's the only way to earn a hefty profit.

Must be all those women on boards these days with their new ideas.....

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Reply #143 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:38am

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:52pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:02am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 5:45pm:

....tell that to the all the unemployed ex-manufacturing workers

Or you could try to find someone it is relevant to tell ?

So you think that 'unemployed ex-manufacturing workers' are irrelevant?

....maybe you should ask these "irrelevant" folk whether a full weeks wage without a penalty rate, is preferable to the dole they're getting now? Huh

First of all, how do you know they're on the dole?

...it's a fair bet if they're unemployed Pecker?

How do you know they're unemployed?

....how do you know they're not?

I didn't say that they weren't.

You, however, have made the claim that they are unemployed and on the dole.

So, I'll ask you again: how do you know that?

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Reply #144 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:10am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:38am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:52pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:02am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 5:45pm:

....tell that to the all the unemployed ex-manufacturing workers

Or you could try to find someone it is relevant to tell ?

So you think that 'unemployed ex-manufacturing workers' are irrelevant?

....maybe you should ask these "irrelevant" folk whether a full weeks wage without a penalty rate, is preferable to the dole they're getting now? Huh

First of all, how do you know they're on the dole?

...it's a fair bet if they're unemployed Pecker?

How do you know they're unemployed?

....how do you know they're not?

I didn't say that they weren't.

You, however, have made the claim that they are unemployed and on the dole.

So, I'll ask you again: how do you know that?

Just hilarious. Pecker of all people asking someone who made a claim to substantiate it.

Take your own advice.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Reply #145 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:30am

crocodile wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:38am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:52pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:02am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 5:45pm:

....tell that to the all the unemployed ex-manufacturing workers

Or you could try to find someone it is relevant to tell ?

So you think that 'unemployed ex-manufacturing workers' are irrelevant?

....maybe you should ask these "irrelevant" folk whether a full weeks wage without a penalty rate, is preferable to the dole they're getting now? Huh

First of all, how do you know they're on the dole?

...it's a fair bet if they're unemployed Pecker?

How do you know they're unemployed?

....how do you know they're not?

I didn't say that they weren't.

You, however, have made the claim that they are unemployed and on the dole.

So, I'll ask you again: how do you know that?

Just hilarious.

Yes. I wonder why he won't answer.

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Reply #146 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:22am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:30am:

crocodile wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:38am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:52pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:02am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 5:45pm:

....tell that to the all the unemployed ex-manufacturing workers

Or you could try to find someone it is relevant to tell ?

So you think that 'unemployed ex-manufacturing workers' are irrelevant?

....maybe you should ask these "irrelevant" folk whether a full weeks wage without a penalty rate, is preferable to the dole they're getting now? Huh

First of all, how do you know they're on the dole?

...it's a fair bet if they're unemployed Pecker?

How do you know they're unemployed?

....how do you know they're not?

I didn't say that they weren't.

You, however, have made the claim that they are unemployed and on the dole.

So, I'll ask you again: how do you know that?

Just hilarious.

Yes. I wonder why he won't answer.

For much the same reason as you don't I expect. That being 'I don't f....in know so I'll play dumb'.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Reply #147 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:24am

crocodile wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:30am:

crocodile wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:38am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 8:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:52pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:02am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 5:45pm:

....tell that to the all the unemployed ex-manufacturing workers

Or you could try to find someone it is relevant to tell ?

So you think that 'unemployed ex-manufacturing workers' are irrelevant?

....maybe you should ask these "irrelevant" folk whether a full weeks wage without a penalty rate, is preferable to the dole they're getting now? Huh

First of all, how do you know they're on the dole?

...it's a fair bet if they're unemployed Pecker?

How do you know they're unemployed?

....how do you know they're not?

I didn't say that they weren't.

You, however, have made the claim that they are unemployed and on the dole.

So, I'll ask you again: how do you know that?

Just hilarious.

Yes. I wonder why he won't answer.

'I don't f....in know so I'll play dumb'.

Yes, that's what I thought too.

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Reply #148 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 1:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 7:02am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 5:45pm:

....tell that to the all the unemployed ex-manufacturing workers

Or you could try to find someone it is relevant to tell ?

So you think that 'unemployed ex-manufacturing workers' are irrelevant?

....maybe you should ask these "irrelevant" folk whether a full weeks wage without a penalty rate, is preferable to the dole they're getting now? Huh

First of all, how do you know they're on the dole?

I don't. It's an assumption that if one is unemployed that one would be claiming the dole. But one may be in another job, in another industry. One may be dead. One may have immigrated to Swaziland. One may have won Lotto. One may be living in a Hippy commune or a Kibbutz or whatever?

It's irrelevant as to where-ever they are, there is 50% less manufacturing jobs because manufacturing in Australia has become more and more uncompetitive over time.

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