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Reply #600 - May 7th, 2019 at 12:29am
 
Some of the more recent examples of the Coalition's corruption or misconduct:
Canstruct: More money for the Libs' donors

Another dubious Liberal party contract
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Reply #601 - May 7th, 2019 at 12:37am
 

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Reply #602 - May 7th, 2019 at 6:21am
 
Was wondering where this thread went  Smiley
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Reply #603 - May 7th, 2019 at 7:20am
 
lee wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:01pm:
stunspore wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 10:49pm:
Nothing to be poor about. 


Yeah, but you manage it. Wink

stunspore wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 10:49pm:
Although Lee, you coalition supporters are sure rich in corruption.


Ooh look another of stunspores "debating " skill coming to the fore. Just another assertion without foundation. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


41 pages of it, mate.  The coalition politicians couldn't do it without you coalition supporters helping.
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Reply #604 - May 7th, 2019 at 10:05am
 
stunspore wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 7:20am:
lee wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:01pm:
stunspore wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 10:49pm:
Nothing to be poor about. 


Yeah, but you manage it. Wink

stunspore wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 10:49pm:
Although Lee, you coalition supporters are sure rich in corruption.


Ooh look another of stunspores "debating " skill coming to the fore. Just another assertion without foundation. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


41 pages of it, mate.  The coalition politicians couldn't do it without you coalition supporters helping.

Ignore the troll. Don't fall for his mischief. He's only posting crap in an attempt to derail the thread.
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Reply #606 - May 7th, 2019 at 11:41am
 
stunspore wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 7:20am:
lee wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:01pm:
stunspore wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 10:49pm:
Nothing to be poor about. 


Yeah, but you manage it. Wink

stunspore wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 10:49pm:
Although Lee, you coalition supporters are sure rich in corruption.


Ooh look another of stunspores "debating " skill coming to the fore. Just another assertion without foundation. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


41 pages of it, mate.  The coalition politicians couldn't do it without you coalition supporters helping.


Poor little stunspore. The poor man's yap lapdog. Wink
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Reply #607 - May 7th, 2019 at 12:01pm
 
Bam wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 10:20am:
The Murray-Darling Management Plan Stinks


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The 'watergate scandal' is still as clear as mud in a drought

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The Murray-Darling Basin Plan has remained controversial ever since its introduction back in 2012.

If you throw enough mud, eventually some of it might stick.

That seems to have been Labor's approach to the so-called "watergate scandal".

This week the Opposition seemed intent on ramming home to anyone who'll listen that something improper went down on Barnaby Joyce's watch.

What exactly it is alleging is about as clear as the water flowing through the Menindee Lakes.

Scandal was Bill Shorten's word, but those who have been following the Murray-Darling Basin Plan this past decade aren't quite there yet.

There is nothing wrong with asking questions, but there's also nothing new, or illegal, about the Australian Government spending $80 million to purchase water from two Queensland farms in 2017.

It was reported at the time, even heralded as a win by the Government of the day.

A win for the triple bottom line; returning water to the environment in a way that wouldn't affect jobs or communities, a Coalition media release said.

A case of the Commonwealth delivering for the common good, it might have argued.

Sure, the fact that taxpayers forked out so much to a private company linked to another in the tax haven of the Cayman Islands might stink, but this is life under the Murray-Darling Basin Plan.

A landmark deal for a pricey commodity

While few would agree it is perfect, the plan brokered a landmark agreement among duelling interests.

The states agreed, bipartisan support was lent, and in 2012 the $13 billion plan was signed into law.

At the heart of the plan is a commitment by government to purchase irrigation licences from willing sellers so that — assuming the river flows — water might be reallocated to the environment.

Water buybacks are widely considered one of the most efficient and cost-effective ways to increase the flow of water through the river system that is home to more than 2 million people and responsible for a third of Australia's agriculture production.

Labor, if elected, wants to change the legislation so government can buy more water from farmers to return to the river.

Water is, and should be, expensive.

That's not to say taxpayers don't deserve value for money, but is it surprising that those in a position to sell it find themselves in the box seat when negotiating a deal with the public purse?

As former Balonne Shire mayor Donna Stewart observed this week: "When you're in that situation and you need that [water] to meet those [basin plan] targets you were going to increase the price of what had been paid in the past."

Buyback deals consider more than just the value of the water, there is remuneration for destroying infrastructure so as to deter future landholders from returning irrigation to the property.

And the purchases must be spread, strategically, through the system, with some arguing it is better to make fewer, larger buybacks from corporates rather than pursue several, smaller family farms for their entitlements.

Few would argue against greater transparency of how the price of water buybacks is determined but the details of countless government deals hide behind "commercial reasons", and it is not clear why two water trades made two years ago should be treated any different.


The political aim becomes clear

With images of a million dead fish fresh on the nation's consciousness, just days into a federal election campaign and with irrigators across four states warned to prepare for a year without water (or at least without water they can afford), the river has become a vehicle for political point scoring.

First it seemed energy minister Angus Taylor, a one-time director at Eastern Australia Agriculture, was the target.

When it became clear he walked from the company years before the deal was done and had no financial interest, Labor shifted its aim.

Following an exceptional performance on RN Drive on Easter Monday it was clear Mr Joyce was their man.

His sins however, on this occasion, are less clear.

Labor believes Mr Joyce is toxic to the Coalition's re-election chances, particularly in southern states, and is keen to keep him in the national spotlight.

Labor water spokesman, and arguably architect of the plan, Tony Burke has now promised a commission of inquiry — with the powers of a royal commission — into the 2017 water deals, exempting Labor's ministers from any such scrutiny.

"If we wanted to seriously politicise the Murray-Darling Basin we'd go into the whole period of Barnaby Joyce and possibly the whole period of a series of ministers, that's what we'd do," Mr Burke said.

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Video: Tony Burke says questions remain over Murray-Darling buybacks (ABC News)

But farm and environment groups aren't convinced this isn't about politics and have suggested if a federal inquiry is to go ahead, it must consider all water deals.

"There has probably only been half a dozen rather large buybacks, so why not extend it to all of them ... if the process is wrong, look at all of them and change the process," Victorian Farmers Federation spokesman Richard Anderson said..


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Reply #608 - May 7th, 2019 at 12:02pm
 
Part2

[quote]Mr Joyce remains confident he has nothing to hide, saying the deal was endorsed by the Queensland Labor government and carried out by bureaucrats at arms-length.

Hot potato in a drought

Perhaps it is not unusual that a life-giving commodity, traded for commercial gain becomes a political hot potato during a drought.

People without water are angry and keen to channel their frustration. You only have to look at the NSW state election to see there are votes in water.
What is the Murray-Darling Basin Plan again?

The Murray-Darling Basin Plan has remained controversial ever since its introduction back in 2012. So, what is it again and why is it back on the agenda?

But what is striking about this current debate is the diversity of those weighing in — from city and country — and the blatant lack of resolution on offer.

Farmers — hampered by drought and coming to terms with failed crops, and sending livestock to the abattoir because they can't afford to feed them —argue enough water has been removed from irrigation.

Environmentalists who can see low inflows into rivers say more water needs to be sent down the river.

Communities have had a gutful of people leaving their towns, jobs, schools and teams, as a result of the way the plan is playing out.

There are calls for a royal commission, to pause the plan, for documents to be released, even for cotton farming to be banned.

But it is not clear how any of those ideas would return any more water to a system exploited for generations and now experiencing extreme drought conditions.

A challenging election issue

There have been dozens of reviews of the Murray-Darling Basin and another — under the plan — must report next year.


In 2019 alone, close to 100 recommendations have been made by scientists, the South Australian Royal Commission and Productivity Commission relating to the management of the Basin.

Before anyone has had a chance to properly respond, "watergate" has cemented the Murray-Darling Basin Plan as a federal election issue.

The major parties are shying away from a federal royal commission and have a challenge to convince voters in the city and the country they've got the mettle to set this system right.

Things are crook, but more inquiries are unlikely to lead to any more water flowing through the Murray-Darling Basin, unless of course they bring rain.

Maybe then, some mud will stick. [quote)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-28/murray-darling-water-buy-backs-watergate/...


he ABC would't lie would it?
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Reply #609 - May 7th, 2019 at 6:16pm
 
lee wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 7:41pm:
You seem to think that is only the Coalition. You just don't want to admit that your idols have feet of clay.



Really? when did I say it was only the libs?

The difference between them is that with labor, you get the occasional corrupt person ... it happens in every large organisation and the party seems to try to stop it.

The libs on the other hand seem to encourage corruption. The party is built on it. With the libs instead of the occasional corrupt person, it's easier to look for the occasional non corrupt person.

But, I'm all for a federal ICAC to throw out all the dodgy bastards, no matter what party ... I have always maintained that position.

you up for that Lee or are you more concerned with protecting your beloved libtards?
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Reply #610 - May 7th, 2019 at 6:17pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 7:58pm:
Corruption doesn't concern me nearly as much as incompetence.



I bet you've offered a few bribes in your time
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Reply #611 - May 7th, 2019 at 6:20pm
 
Its time wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 6:21am:
Was wondering where this thread went  Smiley


i want to find the original thread .... I'm pretty sure that there was another before this from abbotts early days. I haven't been able to find it.

If only FD took more concern over his forum than what the habibis in buggerofistan are doing he might work out how to fix the search function.
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Reply #612 - May 7th, 2019 at 6:30pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 6:16pm:
lee wrote Yesterday at 5:41pm:
You seem to think that is only the Coalition. You just don't want to admit that your idols have feet of clay.



Really? when did I say it was only the libs?


You did notice where I said you seem to think it is only the Coalition? WinkJohn Smith wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 6:16pm:
The libs on the other hand seem to encourage corruption. The party is built on it. With the libs instead of the occasional corrupt person, it's easier to look for the occasional non corrupt person.


Ah, An assertion. And no proof offered as to how much more than Labor. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

John Smith wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 6:16pm:
But, I'm all for a federal ICAC to throw out all the dodgy bastards, no matter what party ... I have always maintained that position.


very Good. Why does labor want to limit the extent? Wink

John Smith wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 6:16pm:
you up for that Lee or are you more concerned with protecting your beloved libtards?


gee. I can't remember where I said it last. I want there to be open and accountable government. Should there be a Commission of some sort, I don't want it to solely look at the last 6 years and give Labor a free pass. Wink
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Reply #613 - Feb 29th, 2020 at 11:03am
 
Lest anyone thinks that the Coalition's rorting of ten different government programs in the last year is an isolated example, it's time to review this thread to see how much corruption the Coalition have managed in the past five years. This thread doesn't show it all but has quite a few.
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Reply #614 - Feb 29th, 2020 at 11:42am
 
no Bam, coalition corruption isn't relevant to the right wing nut jobs on this site ... of far more importance is that Milton Orkopoulos spoke to his nephew on the phone  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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