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Reply #30 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:09pm

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

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Actually, liberalizing an economy requires laws. We have the ACCC. We have laws on disclosure, cartels, insider trading, price fixing.and money laundering. These are all regulations.

They are important, but they are a distant second to not imposing monopolies on the economy.

I agree, but the importance of these things in a fair marketplace is not distant.

Governments in developing economies all impose monopolies. We did it, Uncle and Mother did it, and Suharto definitely did it.

All monopolies are imposed. I can’t think of one that isn’t. Can you?

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Reply #31 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:19pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:09pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

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Actually, liberalizing an economy requires laws. We have the ACCC. We have laws on disclosure, cartels, insider trading, price fixing.and money laundering. These are all regulations.

They are important, but they are a distant second to not imposing monopolies on the economy.

I agree, but the importance of these things in a fair marketplace is not distant.

Governments in developing economies all impose monopolies. We did it, Uncle and Mother did it, and Suharto definitely did it.

All monopolies are imposed. I can’t think of one that isn’t. Can you?

Coles and Woolies?

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Reply #32 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:30pm

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Governments in developing economies all impose monopolies.

Very corrupt governments and dictatorships impose monopolies, as a mechanism of maintaining power. Such countries are unlikely to 'develop' further, and the effort to cling to power by this method can drive a country backwards economically.

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All monopolies are imposed. I can’t think of one that isn’t. Can you?

Plenty of industries are natural monopolies. The government tends to hang on to a lot of them - eg utilities, roads, airports etc. These would still be monopolies without government control. Some not - eg software. Microsoft windows is a good example. All you have to do is make software that does something unique and you have a monopoly. You can set the price to milk as much as possible from your customers, and anyone considering investing in setting up a competing product risks the liklihood that you will just set your price lower and send them bankrupt. Your marginal cost of production is close enough to zero.

Introductory microeconomic theory goes through all the causes of natural monopolies - often framed as the requirements or assumptions behind a free competitive market place.

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Governments in developing economies all impose monopolies. We did it, Uncle and Mother did it, and Suharto definitely did it.

When was the last time 'we' did it?

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Re: Science shows isam is violent
Reply #33 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:31pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:09pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

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Actually, liberalizing an economy requires laws. We have the ACCC. We have laws on disclosure, cartels, insider trading, price fixing.and money laundering. These are all regulations.

They are important, but they are a distant second to not imposing monopolies on the economy.

I agree, but the importance of these things in a fair marketplace is not distant.

Governments in developing economies all impose monopolies. We did it, Uncle and Mother did it, and Suharto definitely did it.

All monopolies are imposed. I can’t think of one that isn’t. Can you?

Coles and Woolies?

A good example. I wonder if legislation has helped to shape this monopoly - the same way it did for Packer and Murdoch - but I’m not sure.

You may have found an exception to my little rule.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49403 At my desk.	Re: Science shows isam is violent Reply #34 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:35pm Your little rule is straight from the socialist alliance website and has little regard for reality.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Science shows isam is violent Reply #35 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:42pm Science shows Islam is violent - let's discuss grocery duopolies. No Islam to see THERE.
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Reply #36 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:46pm

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

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All monopolies are imposed. I can’t think of one that isn’t. Can you?

Plenty of industries are natural monopolies. The government tends to hang on to a lot of them - eg utilities, roads, airports etc. These would still be monopolies without government control. Some not - eg software. Microsoft windows is a good example. All you have to do is make software that does something unique and you have a monopoly. You can set the price to milk as much as possible from your customers, and anyone considering investing in setting up a competing product risks the liklihood that you will just set your price lower and send them bankrupt. Your marginal cost of production is close enough to zero.

Introductory microeconomic theory goes through all the causes of natural monopolies - often framed as the requirements or assumptions behind a free competitive market place.

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Governments in developing economies all impose monopolies. We did it, Uncle and Mother did it, and Suharto definitely did it.

When was the last time 'we' did it?

See above. Governments shape "natural" monopolies all the time. If I remember riggtly, it was a government contract thatgave Microsoft its leg up to establish a monopoly.

The most common way, however, is political donations and lobbying for legislation or contracts.

Look at the way Clubs Australia and the AHA kept their cushy pokie deal. Or the way Packer got the license for Lotto. Or the taxi industry fought to keep out Uber.

Only one of these is a real monopoly, but these are all ways people establish a hold over their market share.

Most of the time, it never makes the news.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96494	Re: Science shows isam is violent Reply #37 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:49pm freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:35pm: Your little rule is straight from the socialist alliance website and has little regard for reality. I haven’t been to this website, FD. I don’t even know what they stand for. Do you?
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Reply #38 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:55pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:46pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

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All monopolies are imposed. I can’t think of one that isn’t. Can you?

Plenty of industries are natural monopolies. The government tends to hang on to a lot of them - eg utilities, roads, airports etc. These would still be monopolies without government control. Some not - eg software. Microsoft windows is a good example. All you have to do is make software that does something unique and you have a monopoly. You can set the price to milk as much as possible from your customers, and anyone considering investing in setting up a competing product risks the liklihood that you will just set your price lower and send them bankrupt. Your marginal cost of production is close enough to zero.

Introductory microeconomic theory goes through all the causes of natural monopolies - often framed as the requirements or assumptions behind a free competitive market place.

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Governments in developing economies all impose monopolies. We did it, Uncle and Mother did it, and Suharto definitely did it.

When was the last time 'we' did it?

See above. Governments shape "natural" monopolies all the time. If I remember riggtly, it was a government contract thatgave Microsoft its leg up to establish a monopoly.

The most common way, however, is political donations and lobbying for legislation or contracts.

Look at the way Clubs Australia and the AHA kept their cushy pokie deal. Or the way Packer got the license for Lotto. Or the taxi industry fought to keep out Uber.

Only one of these is a real monopoly, but these are all ways people establish a hold over their market share.

Most of the time, it never makes the news.

What's Islam's and Muslims' monopoly??

Not to be criticised or mocked - or there will be blood?

Economy of violence and intimidation, innit??

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Reply #39 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:04pm

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:46pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

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All monopolies are imposed. I can’t think of one that isn’t. Can you?

Plenty of industries are natural monopolies. The government tends to hang on to a lot of them - eg utilities, roads, airports etc. These would still be monopolies without government control. Some not - eg software. Microsoft windows is a good example. All you have to do is make software that does something unique and you have a monopoly. You can set the price to milk as much as possible from your customers, and anyone considering investing in setting up a competing product risks the liklihood that you will just set your price lower and send them bankrupt. Your marginal cost of production is close enough to zero.

Introductory microeconomic theory goes through all the causes of natural monopolies - often framed as the requirements or assumptions behind a free competitive market place.

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Governments in developing economies all impose monopolies. We did it, Uncle and Mother did it, and Suharto definitely did it.

When was the last time 'we' did it?

See above. Governments shape "natural" monopolies all the time. If I remember riggtly, it was a government contract thatgave Microsoft its leg up to establish a monopoly.

The most common way, however, is political donations and lobbying for legislation or contracts.

Look at the way Clubs Australia and the AHA kept their cushy pokie deal. Or the way Packer got the license for Lotto. Or the taxi industry fought to keep out Uber.

Only one of these is a real monopoly, but these are all ways people establish a hold over their market share.

Most of the time, it never makes the news.

What's Islam's and Muslims' monopoly??

Not to be criticised or mocked - or there will be blood?

Economy of violence and intimidation, innit??

Exactly. Them, and your good self. No one has the right to not be offended, no?

Except yourself, dear chap.

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Reply #40 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:10pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:46pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

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All monopolies are imposed. I can’t think of one that isn’t. Can you?

Plenty of industries are natural monopolies. The government tends to hang on to a lot of them - eg utilities, roads, airports etc. These would still be monopolies without government control. Some not - eg software. Microsoft windows is a good example. All you have to do is make software that does something unique and you have a monopoly. You can set the price to milk as much as possible from your customers, and anyone considering investing in setting up a competing product risks the liklihood that you will just set your price lower and send them bankrupt. Your marginal cost of production is close enough to zero.

Introductory microeconomic theory goes through all the causes of natural monopolies - often framed as the requirements or assumptions behind a free competitive market place.

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Governments in developing economies all impose monopolies. We did it, Uncle and Mother did it, and Suharto definitely did it.

When was the last time 'we' did it?

See above. Governments shape "natural" monopolies all the time. If I remember riggtly, it was a government contract thatgave Microsoft its leg up to establish a monopoly.

The most common way, however, is political donations and lobbying for legislation or contracts.

Look at the way Clubs Australia and the AHA kept their cushy pokie deal. Or the way Packer got the license for Lotto. Or the taxi industry fought to keep out Uber.

Only one of these is a real monopoly, but these are all ways people establish a hold over their market share.

Most of the time, it never makes the news.

Let me guess, the government bought a bunch of computers and/or software from microsoft, therefor their monopoly is unnatural?

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Reply #41 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:11pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:04pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:46pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

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All monopolies are imposed. I can’t think of one that isn’t. Can you?

Plenty of industries are natural monopolies. The government tends to hang on to a lot of them - eg utilities, roads, airports etc. These would still be monopolies without government control. Some not - eg software. Microsoft windows is a good example. All you have to do is make software that does something unique and you have a monopoly. You can set the price to milk as much as possible from your customers, and anyone considering investing in setting up a competing product risks the liklihood that you will just set your price lower and send them bankrupt. Your marginal cost of production is close enough to zero.

Introductory microeconomic theory goes through all the causes of natural monopolies - often framed as the requirements or assumptions behind a free competitive market place.

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Governments in developing economies all impose monopolies. We did it, Uncle and Mother did it, and Suharto definitely did it.

When was the last time 'we' did it?

See above. Governments shape "natural" monopolies all the time. If I remember riggtly, it was a government contract thatgave Microsoft its leg up to establish a monopoly.

The most common way, however, is political donations and lobbying for legislation or contracts.

Look at the way Clubs Australia and the AHA kept their cushy pokie deal. Or the way Packer got the license for Lotto. Or the taxi industry fought to keep out Uber.

Only one of these is a real monopoly, but these are all ways people establish a hold over their market share.

Most of the time, it never makes the news.

What's Islam's and Muslims' monopoly??

Not to be criticised or mocked - or there will be blood?

Economy of violence and intimidation, innit??

Exactly. Them, and your good self. No one has the right to not be offended, no?

Except yourself, dear chap.

Don't be such a Greens_Win queen, PB.

When was the last time I shot up your premises for criticisng me?

You are supposed to be intelligent (you are as thick as any number of fire doors but other fire doors think you are the best of their bunch -(discuss, if you must)) - so don't act like some knuckle dragging, bearded, spittle-spewing Muslim prog. You want to, you can't resist - but try anyway.

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Reply #42 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:22pm

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:10pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:46pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

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All monopolies are imposed. I can’t think of one that isn’t. Can you?

Plenty of industries are natural monopolies. The government tends to hang on to a lot of them - eg utilities, roads, airports etc. These would still be monopolies without government control. Some not - eg software. Microsoft windows is a good example. All you have to do is make software that does something unique and you have a monopoly. You can set the price to milk as much as possible from your customers, and anyone considering investing in setting up a competing product risks the liklihood that you will just set your price lower and send them bankrupt. Your marginal cost of production is close enough to zero.

Introductory microeconomic theory goes through all the causes of natural monopolies - often framed as the requirements or assumptions behind a free competitive market place.

Quote:

Governments in developing economies all impose monopolies. We did it, Uncle and Mother did it, and Suharto definitely did it.

When was the last time 'we' did it?

See above. Governments shape "natural" monopolies all the time. If I remember riggtly, it was a government contract thatgave Microsoft its leg up to establish a monopoly.

The most common way, however, is political donations and lobbying for legislation or contracts.

Look at the way Clubs Australia and the AHA kept their cushy pokie deal. Or the way Packer got the license for Lotto. Or the taxi industry fought to keep out Uber.

Only one of these is a real monopoly, but these are all ways people establish a hold over their market share.

Most of the time, it never makes the news.

Let me guess, the government bought a bunch of computers and/or software from microsoft, therefor their monopoly is unnatural?

Let me guess, you don’t have the ability to think creatively and respond (like G above), so you rely on textbook headings like Socialist to reference views you don’t even disagree with.

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Reply #43 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:25pm

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:04pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:46pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

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All monopolies are imposed. I can’t think of one that isn’t. Can you?

Plenty of industries are natural monopolies. The government tends to hang on to a lot of them - eg utilities, roads, airports etc. These would still be monopolies without government control. Some not - eg software. Microsoft windows is a good example. All you have to do is make software that does something unique and you have a monopoly. You can set the price to milk as much as possible from your customers, and anyone considering investing in setting up a competing product risks the liklihood that you will just set your price lower and send them bankrupt. Your marginal cost of production is close enough to zero.

Introductory microeconomic theory goes through all the causes of natural monopolies - often framed as the requirements or assumptions behind a free competitive market place.

Quote:

Governments in developing economies all impose monopolies. We did it, Uncle and Mother did it, and Suharto definitely did it.

When was the last time 'we' did it?

See above. Governments shape "natural" monopolies all the time. If I remember riggtly, it was a government contract thatgave Microsoft its leg up to establish a monopoly.

The most common way, however, is political donations and lobbying for legislation or contracts.

Look at the way Clubs Australia and the AHA kept their cushy pokie deal. Or the way Packer got the license for Lotto. Or the taxi industry fought to keep out Uber.

Only one of these is a real monopoly, but these are all ways people establish a hold over their market share.

Most of the time, it never makes the news.

What's Islam's and Muslims' monopoly??

Not to be criticised or mocked - or there will be blood?

Economy of violence and intimidation, innit??

Exactly. Them, and your good self. No one has the right to not be offended, no?

Except yourself, dear chap.

Don't be such a Greens_Win queen, PB.

When was the last time I shot up your premises for criticisng me?

You are supposed to be intelligent (you are as thick as any number of fire doors but other fire doors think you are the best of their bunch -(discuss, if you must)) - so don't act like some knuckle dragging, bearded, spittle-spewing Muslim prog. You want to, you can't resist - but try anyway.

Sorry, dear boy, I’m.confused.

Is this you saying you do have the right to be offended?

That’s what I said.

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Reply #44 - Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:34pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:22pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 8:10pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:46pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 24^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

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All monopolies are imposed. I can’t think of one that isn’t. Can you?

Plenty of industries are natural monopolies. The government tends to hang on to a lot of them - eg utilities, roads, airports etc. These would still be monopolies without government control. Some not - eg software. Microsoft windows is a good example. All you have to do is make software that does something unique and you have a monopoly. You can set the price to milk as much as possible from your customers, and anyone considering investing in setting up a competing product risks the liklihood that you will just set your price lower and send them bankrupt. Your marginal cost of production is close enough to zero.

Introductory microeconomic theory goes through all the causes of natural monopolies - often framed as the requirements or assumptions behind a free competitive market place.

Quote:

Governments in developing economies all impose monopolies. We did it, Uncle and Mother did it, and Suharto definitely did it.

When was the last time 'we' did it?

See above. Governments shape "natural" monopolies all the time. If I remember riggtly, it was a government contract thatgave Microsoft its leg up to establish a monopoly.

The most common way, however, is political donations and lobbying for legislation or contracts.

Look at the way Clubs Australia and the AHA kept their cushy pokie deal. Or the way Packer got the license for Lotto. Or the taxi industry fought to keep out Uber.

Only one of these is a real monopoly, but these are all ways people establish a hold over their market share.

Most of the time, it never makes the news.

Let me guess, the government bought a bunch of computers and/or software from microsoft, therefor their monopoly is unnatural?

Let me guess, you don’t have the ability to think creatively and respond (like G above), so you rely on textbook headings like Socialist to reference views you don’t even disagree with.

This is introductory textbook microeconomics Karnal. You appear to be completely unfamiliar with it. If it is something other than socialism that is motivating you, feel free to elaborate.

Can you explain how some government contract makes microsoft's monopoly unnatural?

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