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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Stop Muslim immigation, deport jihadis & families Reply #90 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:33pm It is possible to be free and democratic and be against Islam.
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Reply #91 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:36pm

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25^th, 2016 at 5:48pm:

You really are a frightful bore S. Your entire repertoire has been reduced to bland and meaningless never ever waffle that has absolutely nothing to do with whats being discussed and entirely based on your own imaginary strawmen.

To the actual point that you referenced but completely avoided addressing, of course there is a difference in terms of Australian values between acceptance of those who deliberately set out to insult and acceptance of those who just want to mind their own business - with a particular choice of clothing.

And here you are demanding to impose blanket punishments and discriminations on muslims in response to what white non-muslim police decided to do - and you lecture me about my incompatibility with freedom and democracy.

But don't worry S - I will accept and even defend your right to demand we dismantle our progressive society and replace it with a fascist state, but I will also stand up for my right to mock your views and expose them for what they are: fascism and totally incompatible with Australian values.

Do not pretend that the only thing that sets Muslims apart is fancy dress. Be honest, I know it doesn't come naturally to Muslims. The problem with Muslims is NOT the stupid get-up. It's the convictions and the ideology and the identification with the jihadi cause that the fancy dress telegraphs and demonstrates.

Nobody ever bothers the Hare Krishnas because they are totally harmless, regardless of their dress. Cant's say the same about Muslims because they are not harmless. Someone swears at a niqabi allows you to get up and squawk about it so as to ignore the murder and mayhem committed by Muslims who think the niqab and the hijab are good ideas.

Hey, the Hare Krishnas are great. Good food, catchy song, cool clothes.

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Reply #92 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:37pm

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:33pm:

It is possible to be free and democratic and be against Islam.

It most certainly is, old boy. It’s not possible to speak of Freeeeeeedom while you seek unconstitutional methods to ban religion. It goes against every Enlightenment principle modern Western thought is based upon.

You are, of course, a Voltairean. Most liberal of you, dear chap.

Oppress the bastards.

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Reply #93 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:10pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:37pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:33pm:

It is possible to be free and democratic and be against Islam.

It most certainly is, old boy. It’s not possible to speak of Freeeeeeedom while you seek unconstitutional methods to ban religion. It goes against every Enlightenment principle modern Western thought is based upon.

You are, of course, a Voltairean. Most liberal of you, dear chap.

Oppress the bastards.

Islam is a religion like Marxist Leninist Communism is a religion or Nazism is a religion. They all insist on not separating the personal from the political, the public from the private, the heart from the mind. They all insist on the supremacy of their beliefs over all others and that THAT gives them a mandate for political domination.

And they all exploit ruthless the namby-pamby useful idiots and fellow-travellers like you. In 1933 you would have been hot for Herr Hitler's democratic mandate in the name of freeeeeeeedom and democracy. But opposing monsters is verboten in your book of freeeeeedom and democracy.

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Reply #94 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:43pm

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:37pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:33pm:

It is possible to be free and democratic and be against Islam.

It most certainly is, old boy. It’s not possible to speak of Freeeeeeedom while you seek unconstitutional methods to ban religion. It goes against every Enlightenment principle modern Western thought is based upon.

You are, of course, a Voltairean. Most liberal of you, dear chap.

Oppress the bastards.

Islam is a religion like Marxist Leninist Communism is a religion or Nazism is a religion. They all insist on not separating the personal from the political, the public from the private, the heart from the mind. They all insist on the supremacy of their beliefs over all others and that THAT gives them a mandate for political domination.

And they all exploit ruthless the namby-pamby useful nice people and fellow-travellers like you. In 1933 you would have been hot for Herr Hitler's democratic mandate in the name of freeeeeeeedom and democracy. But opposing monsters is verboten in your book of freeeeeedom and democracy.

I see. Well, we’ll test your thesis on our resident Muselman.

G, do you subscribe to any of the old boy’s theology?

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Reply #95 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 7:11pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 12:23pm:

Didn't you just acknowledge that I had answered this Gandalf?

Nope. Try again. You said nothing about whether or not such speech is a threat to freedom and democracy. If I'm wrong, show me the quote. And please make up your mind - you can't argue that you've answered the question while simultaneously arguing that you can't answer the question. You need to get a more coherent evasion strategy going.

I said that bans on immigration are not a threat to freedom and democracy. It should go without saying that such speech is also not a threat. Like I keep telling you, instead of going through awefully convoluted ways to work in someone else's opinion, just ask what I think.

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Reply #96 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:23pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:37pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:33pm:

It is possible to be free and democratic and be against Islam.

It most certainly is, old boy. It’s not possible to speak of Freeeeeeedom while you seek unconstitutional methods to ban religion. It goes against every Enlightenment principle modern Western thought is based upon.

You are, of course, a Voltairean. Most liberal of you, dear chap.

Oppress the bastards.

Islam is a religion like Marxist Leninist Communism is a religion or Nazism is a religion. They all insist on not separating the personal from the political, the public from the private, the heart from the mind. They all insist on the supremacy of their beliefs over all others and that THAT gives them a mandate for political domination.

And they all exploit ruthless the namby-pamby useful nice people and fellow-travellers like you. In 1933 you would have been hot for Herr Hitler's democratic mandate in the name of freeeeeeeedom and democracy. But opposing monsters is verboten in your book of freeeeeedom and democracy.

I see. Well, we’ll test your thesis on our resident Muselman.

G, do you subscribe to any of the old boy’s theology?

Yeah, let the sons of Mohammed decide which aspects of Freeeeeedom an democracy apply to them and which don't.

Ingenious. Your idea? Or is his hand up your arse, moving your lips?

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Stop Muslim immigation, deport jihadis & families Reply #97 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:27pm Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:23pm: Ingenious. Your idea? Or is his hand up your arse, moving your lips? Probably something else is up his arse, but let's not go there. OzPolitic is rated as a Family Program.
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Reply #98 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:22pm

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:23pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:37pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 5:33pm:

It is possible to be free and democratic and be against Islam.

It most certainly is, old boy. It’s not possible to speak of Freeeeeeedom while you seek unconstitutional methods to ban religion. It goes against every Enlightenment principle modern Western thought is based upon.

You are, of course, a Voltairean. Most liberal of you, dear chap.

Oppress the bastards.

Islam is a religion like Marxist Leninist Communism is a religion or Nazism is a religion. They all insist on not separating the personal from the political, the public from the private, the heart from the mind. They all insist on the supremacy of their beliefs over all others and that THAT gives them a mandate for political domination.

And they all exploit ruthless the namby-pamby useful nice people and fellow-travellers like you. In 1933 you would have been hot for Herr Hitler's democratic mandate in the name of freeeeeeeedom and democracy. But opposing monsters is verboten in your book of freeeeeedom and democracy.

I see. Well, we’ll test your thesis on our resident Muselman.

G, do you subscribe to any of the old boy’s theology?

Yeah, let the sons of Mohammed decide which aspects of Freeeeeedom an democracy apply to them and which don't.

Ingenious. Your idea? Or is his hand up your arse, moving your lips?

But our Muselman hasn’t commented yet, dear chap. Let’s see whether they all insist on not separating the personal from the political.before we make up our minds, shall we?

I know I don’t, but I’m.hardly a son of Muhammed. Personally, I find Islam a bit of a bore, but that’s just me. I guess you could say I’m a Voltarean, no?

G will settle this once and for all. If he says he believes in killing infidels in the name of submission, you’ll apologise and we’ll all make friends like good Englishmen. Deal?

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Reply #99 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:35pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:23pm:

Ingenious. Your idea? Or is his hand up your arse, moving your lips?

Probably something else is up his arse, but let's not go there. OzPolitic is rated as a Family Program.

Good point. The old boy had his tongue up there only last week. I really should get it checked.

If I may be so bold, Herb, so should you. I believe I inseminated.

I’m sure you’ll make a great mother - in the fullness of time.

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Reply #100 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:33pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:23pm:

Ingenious. Your idea? Or is his hand up your arse, moving your lips?

Probably something else is up his arse, but let's not go there. OzPolitic is rated as a Family Program.

Good point. The old boy had his tongue up there only last week. I really should get it checked.

If I may be so bold, Herb, so should you. I believe I inseminated.

I’m sure you’ll make a great mother - in the fullness of time.

I know, I know. We're ever cautioned about feeding the trolls.

But really, does anyone else find this sort of badinage even faintly amusing?

Is it a frustrated pederast or a thwarted pedophile?

Never got over that secondary education, did we? Grin

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Reply #101 - Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:45pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:23pm:

Ingenious. Your idea? Or is his hand up your arse, moving your lips?

Probably something else is up his arse, but let's not go there. OzPolitic is rated as a Family Program.

Good point. The old boy had his tongue up there only last week. I really should get it checked.

If I may be so bold, Herb, so should you. I believe I inseminated.

I’m sure you’ll make a great mother - in the fullness of time.

I know, I know. We're ever cautioned about feeding the trolls.

But really, does anyone else find this sort of badinage even faintly amusing?

Is it a frustrated pederast or a thwarted pedophile?

Never got over that secondary education, did we? Grin

We most certainly did not.

If you don’t mind me saying, Lionel, you seem a little touchy about something.

Was it the meat?

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Reply #102 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 12:50am

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:45pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 10:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:27pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 8:23pm:

Ingenious. Your idea? Or is his hand up your arse, moving your lips?

Probably something else is up his arse, but let's not go there. OzPolitic is rated as a Family Program.

Good point. The old boy had his tongue up there only last week. I really should get it checked.

If I may be so bold, Herb, so should you. I believe I inseminated.

I’m sure you’ll make a great mother - in the fullness of time.

I know, I know. We're ever cautioned about feeding the trolls.

But really, does anyone else find this sort of badinage even faintly amusing?

Is it a frustrated pederast or a thwarted pedophile?

Never got over that secondary education, did we? Grin

We most certainly did not.

If you don’t mind me saying, Lionel, you seem a little touchy about something.

Was it the meat?

Nah! Merely your attitude, dear.

Us oldsters are fed up with the entitled generation. Also the Bruce Jenner supporters, the Greenies, the anti-nuke symps, the 'alternative power' pushers, the apologists for slack parenting, etc. etc. You may celebrate the fact that civilized Western society is imploding because of feel-good policies supposedly enacted to protect the disadvantaged in our own societies, but what I witness is the gradual imposition of the NWO at the expense of the 'greater good'.

And you support what you cannot understand because you are blinded by the rhetoric of the MSM.

Have a little think, dear. Join a few dots.

Opposition to factual evidence is nothing new. The social experiment, conducted by Government, with multiculturalism, has just about run its course. It sucks! And it creates more divisions than it solves.

Then again, we have 'beliebers' like yourself who swallow the Kool-Aid and support the dilution of civilized, Westernised societies worldwide, while bleating 'care for the needy'.

Here's news, sugar: the poor have been suffering for the last 50 years, or longer. Africa has been a hell-hole since I began to read. After all the BandAids, what's changed?

Pussy is always drawn to the smelliest plate, I've witnessed it myself.

Are you denying your own inherent, and instinctive, predilections?

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Reply #103 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 7:44am

freediver wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 7:11pm:

I said that bans on immigration are not a threat to freedom and democracy. It should go without saying that such speech is also not a threat.

au contraire - it most certainly does not go without saying.

Bringing up blanket muslim ban proposals in response to nothing that any muslim did, along with blanket statements like "their (muslims) presence is completely detrimental" is a threat to people's freedom IMO. Its the same line of discussion that ends up with "deport them". It is anything but a rational discussion on immigration policy. It is hate speech.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49081 At my desk.	Re: Stop Muslim immigation, deport jihadis & families Reply #104 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 7:51am Let me know when you figure out what your question is.
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