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Reply #225 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:44pm

Frank wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:42pm:

You are in a wheelchair, Bbwian, perhaps your care workers are Muslims although I doubt it very much.

People who adhere to Islam are consciously, purposefully distinguishing themselves from Jews, Catholics, atheists, agnostics, communists, Liberals, Green etc, etc. It is nonsensical to insist that they would be just like anyone else.

Looking at Muslim individuals or countries, their values, customs etc, everyone can readily see that life - individually or collectively - guided by Islam is nothing like life guided by other creeds and outlooks and beliefs.

I have spent the last 12 years of my life working at a restaurant with people of all walks of life. Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, fellow atheists, and even a totemism (Indigenous Australian) religion.

One former co-worker is a Muslim man who had no trouble integrating into the Rockhampton community with his wife. He worked a lot of lunch shifts. That included days when he was fasting for Ramadan. I remember coming in at the evening for my shift at the restaurant. "A" was finishing up his shift and had prepared his meal to break his fast. I was told by "A" that he ate well before the sun was up. And he went throughout the day without eating (or drinking, as I found out) anything until sunset. He had finished his PhD at CQ University, recently. And he is on his way to Brisbane to work in government departments. "A's" wife happens to be a medical professional.

I put it to Brian that perhaps he should distinguish between Muslims in different regions of the country. Rockhampton has a few hundred Muslims living about town. I have never heard a bad word about them. Sydney has Muslims congregating in the western suburbs. They have a considerable proportion of them that have been caught up in the drug industry, due to local circumstances.

It is not a "one size fits all" situation with Islam.

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Reply #226 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:49pm

I have never claimed "one size fits all" Muslims. I am, I admit, speaking generally about most Muslims, in exactly the same way that Islamophobes are, UnSub. What annoys me, is that the Islamophobes do it and they get a free pass and when I do it, I am criticised for it. I believe if you treated all Muslims the way all other Australians are considered, as individuals, you lot might discover something - they are all individuals who believe and act in similar ways. They are not all Terrorists or Jihadis, they are simply human beings. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #227 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:49pm:

I have never claimed "one size fits all" Muslims. I am, I admit, speaking generally about most Muslims, in exactly the same way that Islamophobes are, UnSub. What annoys me, is that the Islamophobes do it and they get a free pass and when I do it, I am criticised for it. I believe if you treated all Muslims the way all other Australians are considered, as individuals, you lot might discover something - they are all individuals who believe and act in similar ways. They are not all Terrorists or Jihadis, they are simply human beings. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Islam can and should be criticised, Bbwian. No free pass, it is not beyond criticism or condemnation and rejection just because most of its devotees are tinted.

If you look at the tenets of Islam and evaluate them, you can either accept them or reject them. You are not an 'islamophobe' (an idiotic term you are very fond of) if you reject Islam, its tenets, teachings, claims for itself. I reject it all. I do not respect any of it. I think it is an entirely negative, retrograde, unacceptable creed.

It is not the only one, of course, but it happens to be one of the most topical ones in the West due to the large scale Muslim immigration since 9/11. What a totally unfunny irony - they fly planes into skyscrapers, shelter terrorist - and we open our gates to them.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41879	Re: Stop Muslim immigation, deport jihadis & families Reply #228 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:07pm
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25002 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Stop Muslim immigation, deport jihadis & families Reply #229 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 3:44pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:07pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Brian:
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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 46381 Gender:	Re: Stop Muslim immigation, deport jihadis & families Reply #230 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:17pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:07pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif [/quote]
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Reply #231 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:49pm:

I have never claimed "one size fits all" Muslims. I am, I admit, speaking generally about most Muslims, in exactly the same way that Islamophobes are, UnSub. What annoys me, is that the Islamophobes do it and they get a free pass and when I do it, I am criticised for it. I believe if you treated all Muslims the way all other Australians are considered, as individuals, you lot might discover something - they are all individuals who believe and act in similar ways. They are not all Terrorists or Jihadis, they are simply human beings. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #232 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:19pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:29pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 3:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 6:12pm:

So boring, Soren, so untypical of most Muslims but as you've never spoken to a Muslim how would you know? To you, they are all violent, Jihadi loving terrorists. Until you actually speak to one and discover what they are truly like, you will live in a fantasy world that fails to match reality. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Since when are the Muslims you may have spoken to the 'typical Muslims, yawning clown?

They are ordinary, everyday people who you could encounter on the street, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

So Muslims are indistinguishable from Jews, Catholics, atheists, agnostics, communists, Liberals, Green etc, etc. There is nothing to distinguish Muslims - or indeed anyone - from anyone else. Muslims are j just like everyone else.

And you really believe that, Bbwiyawn, since you keep repeating.

I know it because I encounter Muslims everyday, Soren. Unlike you, locked into your Panic Room, fearful you might encounter some ordinary, peaceful, Muslims on the streets. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 46381 Gender:	Re: Stop Muslim immigation, deport jihadis & families Reply #233 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:21pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 10:21pm: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41879	Re: Stop Muslim immigation, deport jihadis & families Reply #234 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 10:17pm You really are a frightened little rabbit, aren't you, Soren? Too scared to face a Muslim, too scared to even talk to a Muslim for fear you might lean the truth. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Aquarius Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 164 Northern Beaches Gender:	Re: Stop Muslim immigation, deport jihadis & families Reply #235 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 4:29pm So where do you "encounter" these muslims every day Brian? I used to work with muslims but I haven't spoken to any since. And have no desire to either. How does one determine who is a muslim unless they're wearing hihab?
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25002 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Stop Muslim immigation, deport jihadis & families Reply #236 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 4:41pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 10:17pm: You really are a frightened little rabbit, aren't you, Soren? Too scared to face a Muslim, too scared to even talk to a Muslim for fear you might lean the truth. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 46381 Gender:	Re: Stop Muslim immigation, deport jihadis & families Reply #237 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 4:42pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 10:17pm: You really are a frightened little rabbit, aren't you, Soren? Too scared to face a Muslim, too scared to even talk to a Muslim for fear you might lean the truth. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Re: Stop Muslim immigation, deport jihadis & families
Reply #238 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 5:26pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:49pm:

I have never claimed "one size fits all" Muslims. I am, I admit, speaking generally about most Muslims, in exactly the same way that Islamophobes are, UnSub. What annoys me, is that the Islamophobes do it and they get a free pass and when I do it, I am criticised for it. I believe if you treated all Muslims the way all other Australians are considered, as individuals, you lot might discover something - they are all individuals who believe and act in similar ways. They are not all Terrorists or Jihadis, they are simply human beings. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You wrote this in response to Frank:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

They are ordinary, everyday people who you could encounter on the street, Soren. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

That might be a reasonable response for general purposes. But, the reality is that Muslims have a varying level of antisocial behaviour.

Take for example, Muslims in southwest Sydney (Canterbury). They are usually descendants of refugees, or have come as working class migrants. Very few have an ancestry before the 1970s. Given that Sydney is pretty spoiled for modern conveniences and job availability, it is significantly easy for a Sydneysider to get complacent. Muslims residing in Sydney might more easily get caught up in the drug scene and the drug dealing scene. And then you look at other factors like living in a slightly disadvantaged sector of society. Antisocial activities might be more prevalent as a result, with Muslims in Sydney being more likely to commit crimes than the general Sydney population.

Speaking of disadvantaged parts of the country, Rockhampton is a largely working class, service town. Although we have many professional people working here, largely the employment is in blue collar work. Our Bangladeshi community (probably numbering as many as 500 people) moved here back in the 2010s. A few (5 of them) Bangladeshi friends of mine were working at the restaurant with me. One stuck around for a few months before he got sick of working for $18/hr. Another was his son. A third stuck around for years and completed his degree, whilst his devout wife updated her credentials to reflect Australian standards at the university.

Let us be very clear, to come to Australia and then move to a disadvantaged town like Rockhampton, it takes a lot of dedication to be part of the community. There has not been a bad word said about Bangladeshi people in Rockhampton. Their crime rates are practically non-existent.

That is the distinction I was trying to convey.

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Reply #239 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 6:29pm

Muslims are as forelock tugging as the Chinese while they are a minority.

That stops when they get to a sizable minority stage. They start to m make demands on others to conform to Muslim values like halal meat, separated swimming pools, early mark from school for prayers, foot washing facilities and prayer rooms at uni.

Once they get to a tipping point, they obliterate all other cultures, like an invasive species that kills off all others. The history of the spread of Islam is instructive.

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