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Reply #75 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:24pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:21pm:
No many blessings whatsoever Master Wanker

It matters so one such as I

can evaluate whether enlightened as I am or not

ought care less what one so stupid as yourself

is worth addressing given what is so clear

as lack of any brain cell otherwise would know

as enlightened.

Bryant killed them and he and yourself

deserve the peace you warrant which may also involve little sanity.

namaste and be at peace

not any blessings

Love

Aussie



you seem upset

this is perfect and how it should be

thank you for your contribution ,

if thats the extent of your insight you may run along

while others look at facts

thank you aussie ..

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Reply #76 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:31pm
 
You seem far more upset

than one as gifted as I am

could ever be given I can

paragraph garbage like this

and it is of wonder that you are

yet to tell us whether Bryant killed those people

who are now at rest and miam miam for them

and you are forgiven for stupidity and I cannot

overlook saying

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Reply #77 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:32pm
 
Hoss wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:15pm:
HI ALL

Port Aurther stank at many levels , as to who did what.

make your own decision but at least try to keep an open mind. all a closed one will get you is a headache

To many things just do not jell. However it was twenty years ago today sorry kids the world has changed? not necessarily for the better.
we need to rethink a few things. Cool


On a good day I might approach the apparent co-ordination of the alleged shooter..... but I find it hard to understand how he could have been that motivated .... it just doesn't gel to me....

People train for hours a day for months on end to achieve even comparable kill rates.... and in an environment where they are totally dedicated to that end....

22 SAS dedicate an entire Squadron (no number given) to the CT role for a year, in rotation... and they train day and night for all kinds of situations.... out of an entire Squadron there are only a few, no number given, who are tasked with being the 'intrusion team'.. the rest are the support in many ways .... it takes a true professional to achieve Bryant's kill rate...... and I would not use an M-16/AR15 or FN-10 in a CQB situation.......
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Reply #78 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:36pm
 
You probably believe that Martin Bryant, acting alone, carried out the Port Arthur massacre on Sunday 28th April 1996. If so, can you reconcile the following facts with the official story?

1. On the Sunday morning, two hours before the murders, ten of the senior managers of Port Arthur were taken to safety many miles away up the east coast,for a two day seminar with a vague agenda and no visiting speakers. Was the timing of this trip a mere coincidence?

2. Also just before the shootings the only two policemen in the region were called away on a wild goose chase. They were sent to the Coal Mine at Salt Water River, to investigate a heroin drug stash which turned out to be soap powder. This was too far for them to get to the Broad Arrow Cafe in time to be of any use. Had a policeman remained at Dunalley he would have closed the swing bridge to prevent the killer(s) from escaping from the peninsula. Did Bryant, IQ 66, organise this decoy?

3. Big Mortuary Truck. Before the massacre, a specially-built 22 person capacity mortuary truck was built. It attracted some derision at the time, but its effective use at Port Arthur was unquestioned. After the massacre it was advertised, unsuccessfully, for sale via the internet, then converted for another purpose. Without the foresight of Port Arthur, why build it? When it had proven its worth, why get rid of it? Another coincidence?

4. Martin Bryant has never been properly identified as the gunman. A young woman who ate her lunch near the gunman just before 1.30 said he had a freckled face. Graham Collyer, the wounded ex-soldier, who had the best opportunity to observe the killer, said he had a pock-marked or acned face. Neither description fits Bryant who has a beautifully smooth complexion. Graham Collyer says that it was not Bryant who shot him in the neck.

Of all the witnesses that saw the shooter, only one knew Martin Bryant from before.
That was Jim Laycock, the former owner of the Broad Arrow Caf�.
He not only knew Bryant, but also where he used sit in the Broad Arrow and what he used to drink and the conversations he used to have with his daughter.
So what did Laycock say about his identification of the shooter? "I did not recognize the male (shooter) as Martin Bryant".


5. Illegal Photo. On 30th April the Hobart Mercury printed an old photo of Martin Bryant on the front page. This was illegal because at that stage some of the witnesses had not yet been asked to identify the killer, and the photo would have become fixed in the minds of the witnesses. When one witness was asked to describe the clothing worn by the gunman, she described the clothing on the old photo instead of what the gunman had worn. The Mercury newspaper was not prosecuted for breaking the law.

6. Mrs Wendy Scurr, nurse, tour guide and Ambulance Officer, rang the police at 1.32 pm to report the shooting. She and other medics then cared for the injured and the dead without any police protection for six and a half hours. Who ordered the armed police to stop at Tarana, where they had a barbecue? The police who arrived by boats were a stone's throw away from the main crime scene, the cafe, and they too failed to come in to see what was going on. Was this meant to increase the trauma of the survivors?

7. Three more shots were fired at Port Arthur at 6.30pm while Bryant was at Seascape. Who fired those shots?

8. Same Question - Different Answer. At a recent Forensics Seminar in Queensland where the Tasmanian Police forensic gun inspector, Gerard Dutton, gave a lecture, the first question came from Mr Ian McNiven. He asked if there was any empirical evidence to link Martin Bryant to the Broad Arrow Cafe. Sargent Dutton immediately closed the 15 minute question time and would not reply. When McNiven managed to say "I have here Graham Collyer's police statement...", Sgt Dutton threatened him with arrest and called for security agents to escort McNiven out of the building.

When Dutton was asked the same question in America by a Doctor at a seminar, he replied truthfully - "There is no empirical evidence to link Bryant to the cafe."

9. Yet a police video tape exists which proves that the police had an excellent opportunity to get DNA samples and finger prints of the gunman. The video briefly shows the blue sports bag on a cafe table. The gunman had carried his 3 rifles in this bag and left it right next to his drinking glass, his Solo soft drink can, knife, fork, plate, video cameras, etc. Why did the police fail to take DNA samples and finger prints?

10. According to the official story, Bryant first killed David and Sally Martin at Seascape Cottage in the morning, then went on to Port Arthur. Yet two policemen have reported seeing a naked woman with black hair, screaming and running from one building to another at Seascape well into the afternoon. If Sally Martin was dead, who was this woman?

11. Proof of other gunmen in Seascape Cottage. While Bryant was calmly talking to police by telephone in the cottage during the 'siege' and the conversation was recorded, someone else fired an SKK rifle 20 times. In the transcript the gunfire is recorded as 'coughs' but an electronic analysis of one of the 'coughs' shows that it was an SKK shot.

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Reply #79 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:36pm
 
12. Two More Very Handy Seminars. On the Sunday morning, some 25 specialist doctors (Royal Australian College of Surgeons) from all over Australia had attended a training course in Hobart, and their last lecture was on Terrorist Attack and Gunshot Wounds. They stayed on to take care of the wounded victims.

13. Also, more than 700 reporters from 17 nations came to a seminar in Hobart. They were asked to arrive during the week-end as the seminar was due to begin early on Monday morning. How handy to have 700 scribblers churning out their anti-gun and disarmament propaganda to the whole world!

14. "There will never be uniform Gun Laws in Australia until we see a massacre somewhere in Tasmania" said Barry Unsworth, NSW Premier, December, 1987 at a conference in Hobart. Prophecy or Planning?

15. "If we don't get it right this time (gun laws) next time there is a massacre, and there will be, then they'll take all our guns off us", said the deputy prime minister, Tim Fischer in May 1996. Who is the "THEY" who would order the removal of our guns? Did Fischer let slip that gun confiscation has been ordered by someone other than our own leaders?

pls answer the questions if you have the care

or not, yet either way

be at peace

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Reply #80 - Apr 27th, 2016 at 11:36pm
 
I remain intrigued that a man with IQ 66 not only 'acted tactically and avoided being a target' at Seascape that night.... and also 'ran between Seascape and an outlying shed and back'.

FSS... one of the firearms alleged to have been used, but never proven to have been so, was found in that 'outlying shed'.. burnt to a crisp and incapable of any forensic tests, just like the other weapon found in Seascape after the fire burnt out.

Neither weapon was ever identified as a murder weapon at Port Arthur.

Again - in any situation involving intervention of a CT/CQB team - all weapons are surrendered to police authorities for full examination and identified as belonging to the individual members of the insert team, and full tests are undertaken to establish exactly which weapon did what.  No questions asked, but this is a pisser to Team members who have a close relationship with their personal weapons.

Nothing like this took place at Port Arthur with regard to the alleged weapons used in the massacre.

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Reply #81 - Apr 28th, 2016 at 8:44am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 10:36pm:
You probably believe that Martin Bryant, acting alone, carried out the Port Arthur massacre on Sunday 28th April 1996. If so, can you reconcile the following facts with the official story?

1. On the Sunday morning, two hours before the murders, ten of the senior managers of Port Arthur were taken to safety many miles away up the east coast,for a two day seminar with a vague agenda and no visiting speakers. Was the timing of this trip a mere coincidence?

2. Also just before the shootings the only two policemen in the region were called away on a wild goose chase. They were sent to the Coal Mine at Salt Water River, to investigate a heroin drug stash which turned out to be soap powder. This was too far for them to get to the Broad Arrow Cafe in time to be of any use. Had a policeman remained at Dunalley he would have closed the swing bridge to prevent the killer(s) from escaping from the peninsula. Did Bryant, IQ 66, organise this decoy?

3. Big Mortuary Truck. Before the massacre, a specially-built 22 person capacity mortuary truck was built. It attracted some derision at the time, but its effective use at Port Arthur was unquestioned. After the massacre it was advertised, unsuccessfully, for sale via the internet, then converted for another purpose. Without the foresight of Port Arthur, why build it? When it had proven its worth, why get rid of it? Another coincidence?

4. Martin Bryant has never been properly identified as the gunman. A young woman who ate her lunch near the gunman just before 1.30 said he had a freckled face. Graham Collyer, the wounded ex-soldier, who had the best opportunity to observe the killer, said he had a pock-marked or acned face. Neither description fits Bryant who has a beautifully smooth complexion. Graham Collyer says that it was not Bryant who shot him in the neck.

Of all the witnesses that saw the shooter, only one knew Martin Bryant from before.
That was Jim Laycock, the former owner of the Broad Arrow Caf�.
He not only knew Bryant, but also where he used sit in the Broad Arrow and what he used to drink and the conversations he used to have with his daughter.
So what did Laycock say about his identification of the shooter? "I did not recognize the male (shooter) as Martin Bryant".


5. Illegal Photo. On 30th April the Hobart Mercury printed an old photo of Martin Bryant on the front page. This was illegal because at that stage some of the witnesses had not yet been asked to identify the killer, and the photo would have become fixed in the minds of the witnesses. When one witness was asked to describe the clothing worn by the gunman, she described the clothing on the old photo instead of what the gunman had worn. The Mercury newspaper was not prosecuted for breaking the law.

6. Mrs Wendy Scurr, nurse, tour guide and Ambulance Officer, rang the police at 1.32 pm to report the shooting. She and other medics then cared for the injured and the dead without any police protection for six and a half hours. Who ordered the armed police to stop at Tarana, where they had a barbecue? The police who arrived by boats were a stone's throw away from the main crime scene, the cafe, and they too failed to come in to see what was going on. Was this meant to increase the trauma of the survivors?

7. Three more shots were fired at Port Arthur at 6.30pm while Bryant was at Seascape. Who fired those shots?

8. Same Question - Different Answer. At a recent Forensics Seminar in Queensland where the Tasmanian Police forensic gun inspector, Gerard Dutton, gave a lecture, the first question came from Mr Ian McNiven. He asked if there was any empirical evidence to link Martin Bryant to the Broad Arrow Cafe. Sargent Dutton immediately closed the 15 minute question time and would not reply. When McNiven managed to say "I have here Graham Collyer's police statement...", Sgt Dutton threatened him with arrest and called for security agents to escort McNiven out of the building.

When Dutton was asked the same question in America by a Doctor at a seminar, he replied truthfully - "There is no empirical evidence to link Bryant to the cafe."

9. Yet a police video tape exists which proves that the police had an excellent opportunity to get DNA samples and finger prints of the gunman. The video briefly shows the blue sports bag on a cafe table. The gunman had carried his 3 rifles in this bag and left it right next to his drinking glass, his Solo soft drink can, knife, fork, plate, video cameras, etc. Why did the police fail to take DNA samples and finger prints?

10. According to the official story, Bryant first killed David and Sally Martin at Seascape Cottage in the morning, then went on to Port Arthur. Yet two policemen have reported seeing a naked woman with black hair, screaming and running from one building to another at Seascape well into the afternoon. If Sally Martin was dead, who was this woman?

11. Proof of other gunmen in Seascape Cottage. While Bryant was calmly talking to police by telephone in the cottage during the 'siege' and the conversation was recorded, someone else fired an SKK rifle 20 times. In the transcript the gunfire is recorded as 'coughs' but an electronic analysis of one of the 'coughs' shows that it was an SKK shot.





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Reply #82 - Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:16pm
 
HI ALL

Neither weapon was ever identified as a murder weapon at Port Arthur.

But they where identified as having been handed to the Victorian police force under amnesty. who then sold them to a gun dealer in Tassie, who was supposed to sll then overseas'. instead they where sold in Tassie.

seeing as how two Pig Commissars got up and said sorry, they should have destroyed them as they were supposed to and it will not happen again?

Like I said Stinks at all levels.
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Reply #83 - May 1st, 2016 at 9:00am
 
Hoss wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 9:16pm:
HI ALL

Neither weapon was ever identified as a murder weapon at Port Arthur.

But they where identified as having been handed to the Victorian police force under amnesty. who then sold them to a gun dealer in Tassie, who was supposed to sll then overseas'. instead they where sold in Tassie.

seeing as how two Pig Commissars got up and said sorry, they should have destroyed them as they were supposed to and it will not happen again?

Like I said Stinks at all levels.


many blessings hoss and yes

very sloppy job and so many inconsistencies

these inconsistencies point to a breakdown in the context of truth and facts which are outlined in some simple observance of this aforementioned inconsistiality

thus and then, the matter invites conscious awareness and investigation of any and all irregularities

many choose vaccines and footy however these only serve to illuminate further

so all is well enough and how it should be as we look for answers here ,


1. On the Sunday morning, two hours before the murders, ten of the senior managers of Port Arthur were taken to safety many miles away up the east coast,for a two day seminar with a vague agenda and no visiting speakers. Was the timing of this trip a mere coincidence?

2. Also just before the shootings the only two policemen in the region were called away on a wild goose chase. They were sent to the Coal Mine at Salt Water River, to investigate a heroin drug stash which turned out to be soap powder. This was too far for them to get to the Broad Arrow Cafe in time to be of any use. Had a policeman remained at Dunalley he would have closed the swing bridge to prevent the killer(s) from escaping from the peninsula. Did Bryant, IQ 66, organise this decoy?

3. Big Mortuary Truck. Before the massacre, a specially-built 22 person capacity mortuary truck was built. It attracted some derision at the time, but its effective use at Port Arthur was unquestioned. After the massacre it was advertised, unsuccessfully, for sale via the internet, then converted for another purpose. Without the foresight of Port Arthur, why build it? When it had proven its worth, why get rid of it? Another coincidence?

4. Martin Bryant has never been properly identified as the gunman. A young woman who ate her lunch near the gunman just before 1.30 said he had a freckled face. Graham Collyer, the wounded ex-soldier, who had the best opportunity to observe the killer, said he had a pock-marked or acned face. Neither description fits Bryant who has a beautifully smooth complexion. Graham Collyer says that it was not Bryant who shot him in the neck.

Of all the witnesses that saw the shooter, only one knew Martin Bryant from before.
That was Jim Laycock, the former owner of the Broad Arrow Caf�.
He not only knew Bryant, but also where he used sit in the Broad Arrow and what he used to drink and the conversations he used to have with his daughter.
So what did Laycock say about his identification of the shooter? "I did not recognize the male (shooter) as Martin Bryant".


5. Illegal Photo. On 30th April the Hobart Mercury printed an old photo of Martin Bryant on the front page. This was illegal because at that stage some of the witnesses had not yet been asked to identify the killer, and the photo would have become fixed in the minds of the witnesses. When one witness was asked to describe the clothing worn by the gunman, she described the clothing on the old photo instead of what the gunman had worn. The Mercury newspaper was not prosecuted for breaking the law.

6. Mrs Wendy Scurr, nurse, tour guide and Ambulance Officer, rang the police at 1.32 pm to report the shooting. She and other medics then cared for the injured and the dead without any police protection for six and a half hours. Who ordered the armed police to stop at Tarana, where they had a barbecue? The police who arrived by boats were a stone's throw away from the main crime scene, the cafe, and they too failed to come in to see what was going on. Was this meant to increase the trauma of the survivors?

7. Three more shots were fired at Port Arthur at 6.30pm while Bryant was at Seascape. Who fired those shots?

8. Same Question - Different Answer. At a recent Forensics Seminar in Queensland where the Tasmanian Police forensic gun inspector, Gerard Dutton, gave a lecture, the first question came from Mr Ian McNiven. He asked if there was any empirical evidence to link Martin Bryant to the Broad Arrow Cafe. Sargent Dutton immediately closed the 15 minute question time and would not reply. When McNiven managed to say "I have here Graham Collyer's police statement...", Sgt Dutton threatened him with arrest and called for security agents to escort McNiven out of the building.

When Dutton was asked the same question in America by a Doctor at a seminar, he replied truthfully - "There is no empirical evidence to link Bryant to the cafe."

9. Yet a police video tape exists which proves that the police had an excellent opportunity to get DNA samples and finger prints of the gunman. The video briefly shows the blue sports bag on a cafe table. The gunman had carried his 3 rifles in this bag and left it right next to his drinking glass, his Solo soft drink can, knife, fork, plate, video cameras, etc. Why did the police fail to take DNA samples and finger prints?

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Reply #84 - May 1st, 2016 at 9:01am
 
12. Two More Very Handy Seminars. On the Sunday morning, some 25 specialist doctors (Royal Australian College of Surgeons) from all over Australia had attended a training course in Hobart, and their last lecture was on Terrorist Attack and Gunshot Wounds. They stayed on to take care of the wounded victims.

13. Also, more than 700 reporters from 17 nations came to a seminar in Hobart. They were asked to arrive during the week-end as the seminar was due to begin early on Monday morning. How handy to have 700 scribblers churning out their anti-gun and disarmament propaganda to the whole world!

14. "There will never be uniform Gun Laws in Australia until we see a massacre somewhere in Tasmania" said Barry Unsworth, NSW Premier, December, 1987 at a conference in Hobart. Prophecy or Planning?

15. "If we don't get it right this time (gun laws) next time there is a massacre, and there will be, then they'll take all our guns off us", said the deputy prime minister, Tim Fischer in May 1996. Who is the "THEY" who would order the removal of our guns? Did Fischer let slip that gun confiscation has been ordered by someone other than our own leaders?

and so ..pls answer these questions if any have the care

or not, yet either way

be at peace

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Reply #85 - May 1st, 2016 at 9:02am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Apr 27th, 2016 at 11:36pm:
I remain intrigued that a man with IQ 66 not only 'acted tactically and avoided being a target' at Seascape that night.... and also 'ran between Seascape and an outlying shed and back'.

FSS... one of the firearms alleged to have been used, but never proven to have been so, was found in that 'outlying shed'.. burnt to a crisp and incapable of any forensic tests, just like the other weapon found in Seascape after the fire burnt out.

Neither weapon was ever identified as a murder weapon at Port Arthur.

Again - in any situation involving intervention of a CT/CQB team - all weapons are surrendered to police authorities for full examination and identified as belonging to the individual members of the insert team, and full tests are undertaken to establish exactly which weapon did what.  No questions asked, but this is a pisser to Team members who have a close relationship with their personal weapons.

Nothing like this took place at Port Arthur with regard to the alleged weapons used in the massacre.



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this is logic and facts from grappler ,

many thanks and much gratitude for critical thinking

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Reply #87 - May 9th, 2016 at 10:29pm
 
if tasmania were a part of fiji ,

martin bryant would actually get a trial ,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-09/fiji-dpp-drops-murder-charges-citing-confe...

Fiji state prosecutor drops murder charge against four men citing
confessions under duress


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Murder charges levelled at four Fijian men have been discontinued by the nation's prosecutor because of concerns their confessions were obtained under duress.

Fiji's Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) Christopher Pryde said in a statement: "It was clear that each of the accused had received unexplained injuries at the time of their caution interview whilst in police custody.

"It also appears that duress was also placed on the interviewing officers by their superiors to deny all allegations of assault."

The accused men Jitendra Kumar, Subhash Chand, Parma Nand and Deo Chand were each charged with one count of murder for the death of Jagish Chand in 2010.

Mr Pryde said with no admissible evidence against the accused other than the confession statements, it would not be proper to continue with the prosecution.

"I am therefore ending the prosecution and sending the file back to the Police Commissioner to investigate the allegations of assault in custody," he said.

Fiji's Police Commissioner Brigadier General Sitiveni Qiliho issued a statement saying he respects the decision made and has given his assurances that a thorough investigation will be carried out into the allegations.

Rebecca Emery, from Amnesty New Zealand, told Pacific Beat she welcomed the decision.

"This is really important in a country that has a long history of police brutality, confessions obtained through duress and, at times, torture," she said.

"For this case to be pushed back shows maybe the tide's turning and that there's a real intent from, in this case the Director of Public Prosecutions, that this kind of evidence won't be admissible."

Ms Emery said there is some hope that a police internal investigation into the DPP's allegations of confessions under duress would turn up any wrongdoing.

"There's a new police commissioner in place who's said a lot of things publicly, that he's keen to lead the police in a new direction which abides by human rights practices," she said.

In his statement, the DPP added that the discontinuance did not amount to an acquittal of the four men.

"If further evidence is received from the police it will be considered and the charge against each person may be filed afresh," Mr Pryde said.

"Until that time, the matter is at an end."
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Reply #88 - May 9th, 2016 at 10:42pm
 
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http://thedarktruth.org/2016/03/09/port-arthur-massacre-mossad-operation/

The Port Arthur Massacre – A Mossad Operation


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The Port Arthur Massacre
A Planned Event Designed to Disarm the Australian Public
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