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Reply #120 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:37am

cods wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:34am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:26am:

Where is the public nuisance? Which public was inconvenienced? Or annoyed? Seems to me the cops overreached. and because they are trying to suppress freedom of speech.

you are so weird...........the cops thought it was REAL.

it wasnt until they were ARRESTED....they confessed it was all set up..

what is it about you? you dont understand that part??????........

they were then charged with PUBLIC NUISANCE

after appearing on TV shows....

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Once again dear, a fake home invasion staged and recorded on video, where participants are aware of everything, would not be deemed illegal or criminal.

You need to understand the issue,cods.

trouble is dear... you dont know they are FAKE....

what issue is it you have in mind?...

the one where it is all on the web...

and where those involved claim it ISNT FAKE....on TV..

or the one where they are ARRESTED and then confess its all a set up??>.

you started this thread.. AFTER THEY CONFESSED.. Roll Eyes

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So why proceed with a charge when they showed it was all staged?

The issue is that this isn't about trying to cause public harm. All the kids did was stage a prank. With actors. In empty streets.

But because it's about terrorism, our tax payer money was used to charge these kids. For what? Absolutely nothing.

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Re: more suppression of free speech
Reply #121 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:38am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:32am:

No, I believe killing oneself is a right, but not by means that impact others.

can you really kill yourelf...without impacting others???

goodness me no end to what you know sir?...

what advice would you give to anyone contemplating doing that???

I see where you wouldnt try to talk them out of it... Roll Eyes

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... as its their right... along with acting out terrorist shootouts.in any old street.. Roll Eyes

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Reply #122 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:40am

cods wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:38am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:32am:

No, I believe killing oneself is a right, but not by means that impact others.

can you really kill yourelf...without impacting others???

goodness me no end to what you know sir?...

what advice would you give to anyone contemplating doing that???

I see where you wouldnt try to talk them out of it... Roll Eyes

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... as its their right... along with acting out terrorist shootouts.in any old street.. Roll Eyes

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Grief is not the same as involving someone directly in your death.

And of course suicide can be performed independently. Of course I won't discuss the measures here.

But freediver, what is the point if I may ask?

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Reply #123 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:41am

I suppose it's okay to dress up as a KKK member and abduct and black person if staged according to Alevine. Or a little kid being abducted by a priest if staged?? When things like this are done in public somebody will ring the police. Then the cops have to go out there. Some old lady almost has a heart attack from the excitement etc etc etc. These silly pranks cause problems.

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Reply #124 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:43am

cods wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:38am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:32am:

No, I believe killing oneself is a right, but not by means that impact others.

can you really kill yourelf...without impacting others???

goodness me no end to what you know sir?...

what advice would you give to anyone contemplating doing that???

I see where you wouldnt try to talk them out of it... Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

... as its their right... along with acting out terrorist shootouts.in any old street.. Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

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No I of course would show empathy and try to rationalise and help the person. But I don't think it should be an illegal act in the event a person ends up doing it.

Having a right, and promoting the exercise of an act are separate things cods. I find it absurd that you would try to suggest otherwise.

For instance, I believe drugs should be deemed legal. Doesn't mean I would encourage taking drugs.

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Re: more suppression of free speech
Reply #125 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:43am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:37am:

cods wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:34am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:26am:

Where is the public nuisance? Which public was inconvenienced? Or annoyed? Seems to me the cops overreached. and because they are trying to suppress freedom of speech.

you are so weird...........the cops thought it was REAL.

it wasnt until they were ARRESTED....they confessed it was all set up..

what is it about you? you dont understand that part??????........

they were then charged with PUBLIC NUISANCE

after appearing on TV shows....

Quote:

Once again dear, a fake home invasion staged and recorded on video, where participants are aware of everything, would not be deemed illegal or criminal.

You need to understand the issue,cods.

trouble is dear... you dont know they are FAKE....

what issue is it you have in mind?...

the one where it is all on the web...

and where those involved claim it ISNT FAKE....on TV..

or the one where they are ARRESTED and then confess its all a set up??>.

you started this thread.. AFTER THEY CONFESSED.. Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

So why proceed with a charge when they showed it was all staged?

The issue is that this isn't about trying to cause public harm. All the kids did was stage a prank. With actors. In empty streets.

But because it's about terrorism, our tax payer money was used to charge these kids. For what? Absolutely nothing.

a lot of people were fooled by this.....dont you get it...

a PUBLIC NUISANCE....the only people that knew it was a prank were those involved.....

just supposing someone looked out of their window and witness what they thought was a terrorist attack....and rang the cops ....and the town it was staged in went in to melt down....

wouldnt that also have been a massive waste of taxpayers funds..

it didnt happen.. but had they not appeared on TV and were still doing it... it was only a matter of time...

do you not think its a good idea the cops stop copycats.... by proving you will be caught????>..

or are you all for more idiots being out there expressing themselves????

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Reply #126 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:45am

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

I suppose it's okay to dress up as a KKK member and abduct and black person if staged according to Alevine. Or a little kid being abducted by a priest if staged?? When things like this are done in public somebody will ring the police. Then the cops have to go out there. Some old lady almost has a heart attack from the excitement etc etc etc. These silly pranks cause problems.

Some old lady can have a heart attack from the sound of a horn.

The point is that if people are in on the prank then there is no nuisance. And while one may not agree with the subject matter, it doesn't mean it's illegal. I'll defend a persons right to act out a subject even if I don't agree with the Subject. There's a reason for that - if we start rationalising every freedom then eventually we will rationalise them all away.

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Reply #127 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:47am

cods wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:43am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:37am:

cods wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:34am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:26am:

Where is the public nuisance? Which public was inconvenienced? Or annoyed? Seems to me the cops overreached. and because they are trying to suppress freedom of speech.

you are so weird...........the cops thought it was REAL.

it wasnt until they were ARRESTED....they confessed it was all set up..

what is it about you? you dont understand that part??????........

they were then charged with PUBLIC NUISANCE

after appearing on TV shows....

Quote:

Once again dear, a fake home invasion staged and recorded on video, where participants are aware of everything, would not be deemed illegal or criminal.

You need to understand the issue,cods.

trouble is dear... you dont know they are FAKE....

what issue is it you have in mind?...

the one where it is all on the web...

and where those involved claim it ISNT FAKE....on TV..

or the one where they are ARRESTED and then confess its all a set up??>.

you started this thread.. AFTER THEY CONFESSED.. Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

So why proceed with a charge when they showed it was all staged?

The issue is that this isn't about trying to cause public harm. All the kids did was stage a prank. With actors. In empty streets.

But because it's about terrorism, our tax payer money was used to charge these kids. For what? Absolutely nothing.

a lot of people were fooled by this.....dont you get it...

a PUBLIC NUISANCE....the only people that knew it was a prank were those involved.....

just supposing someone looked out of their window and witness what they thought was a terrorist attack....and rang the cops ....and the town it was staged in went in to melt down....

wouldnt that also have been a massive waste of taxpayers funds..

it didnt happen.. but had they not appeared on TV and were still doing it... it was only a matter of time...

do you not think its a good idea the cops stop copycats.... by proving you will be caught????>..

or are you all for more idiots being out there expressing themselves????

Who was fooled by it? After it appearing on YouTube From known pranksters you thought it was real? I don't think people should be jailed for your naivety, cods. Sorry.

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Re: more suppression of free speech
Reply #128 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:47am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

I suppose it's okay to dress up as a KKK member and abduct and black person if staged according to Alevine. Or a little kid being abducted by a priest if staged?? When things like this are done in public somebody will ring the police. Then the cops have to go out there. Some old lady almost has a heart attack from the excitement etc etc etc. These silly pranks cause problems.

Some old lady can have a heart attack from the sound of a horn.

The point is that if people are in on the prank then there is no nuisance. And while one may not agree with the subject matter, it doesn't mean it's illegal. I'll defend a persons right to act out a subject even if I don't agree with the Subject. There's a reason for that - if we start rationalising every freedom then eventually we will rationalise them all away.

I watched their pranks and onlookers were obviously shocked and had know idea what was happening. They obviously weren't in on it.

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Reply #129 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:49am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:43am:

cods wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:38am:

[quote author=alevine link=1456491963/118#118 date=1456608767]No, I believe killing oneself is a right, but not by means that impact others.

can you really kill yourelf...without impacting others???

goodness me no end to what you know sir?...

what advice would you give to anyone contemplating doing that???

I see where you wouldnt try to talk them out of it... Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

... as its their right... along with acting out terrorist shootouts.in any old street.. Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

No I of course would show empathy and try to rationalise and help the person. But I don't think it should be an illegal act in the event a person ends up doing it.

Having a right, and promoting the exercise of an act are separate things cods. I find it absurd that you would try to suggest otherwise.

For instance, I believe drugs should be deemed legal. Doesn't mean I would encourage taking drugs. [/quote]

really.... ok if you say so..

empathy... hahahaha.. yeah but you just said its their right to leave this world..

you want a bet each way... dont we all.. Angry

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Angry

Angry

everything we do has a consequence to it....

if you b elieve it is someone right to take their own life....... then you let them do it...

you also said as long as they do it without impacting on anyone else....???

explain how they can do that if you would.

I would think even the person who finds their body would be impacted on..

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Reply #130 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:50am

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:47am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

I suppose it's okay to dress up as a KKK member and abduct and black person if staged according to Alevine. Or a little kid being abducted by a priest if staged?? When things like this are done in public somebody will ring the police. Then the cops have to go out there. Some old lady almost has a heart attack from the excitement etc etc etc. These silly pranks cause problems.

Some old lady can have a heart attack from the sound of a horn.

The point is that if people are in on the prank then there is no nuisance. And while one may not agree with the subject matter, it doesn't mean it's illegal. I'll defend a persons right to act out a subject even if I don't agree with the Subject. There's a reason for that - if we start rationalising every freedom then eventually we will rationalise them all away.

I watched their pranks and onlookers were obviously shocked and had know idea what was happening. They obviously weren't in on it.

yes they were.... but we didnt find that out until they were arrested..

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Reply #131 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:53am

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:47am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

I suppose it's okay to dress up as a KKK member and abduct and black person if staged according to Alevine. Or a little kid being abducted by a priest if staged?? When things like this are done in public somebody will ring the police. Then the cops have to go out there. Some old lady almost has a heart attack from the excitement etc etc etc. These silly pranks cause problems.

Some old lady can have a heart attack from the sound of a horn.

The point is that if people are in on the prank then there is no nuisance. And while one may not agree with the subject matter, it doesn't mean it's illegal. I'll defend a persons right to act out a subject even if I don't agree with the Subject. There's a reason for that - if we start rationalising every freedom then eventually we will rationalise them all away.

I watched their pranks and onlookers were obviously shocked and had know idea what was happening. They obviously weren't in on it.

You're obviously lying because there was one onlooker who didn't even seem to care what was going on.

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Reply #132 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:54am

cods wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:50am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:47am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

I suppose it's okay to dress up as a KKK member and abduct and black person if staged according to Alevine. Or a little kid being abducted by a priest if staged?? When things like this are done in public somebody will ring the police. Then the cops have to go out there. Some old lady almost has a heart attack from the excitement etc etc etc. These silly pranks cause problems.

Some old lady can have a heart attack from the sound of a horn.

The point is that if people are in on the prank then there is no nuisance. And while one may not agree with the subject matter, it doesn't mean it's illegal. I'll defend a persons right to act out a subject even if I don't agree with the Subject. There's a reason for that - if we start rationalising every freedom then eventually we will rationalise them all away.

I watched their pranks and onlookers were obviously shocked and had know idea what was happening. They obviously weren't in on it.

yes they were.... but we didnt find that out until they were arrested..

So what????? It doesn't make a person a criminal that they reveal it was staged after an overzealous police force decides to waste tax payer money!!

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Reply #133 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:55am

cods wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:50am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:47am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

I suppose it's okay to dress up as a KKK member and abduct and black person if staged according to Alevine. Or a little kid being abducted by a priest if staged?? When things like this are done in public somebody will ring the police. Then the cops have to go out there. Some old lady almost has a heart attack from the excitement etc etc etc. These silly pranks cause problems.

Some old lady can have a heart attack from the sound of a horn.

The point is that if people are in on the prank then there is no nuisance. And while one may not agree with the subject matter, it doesn't mean it's illegal. I'll defend a persons right to act out a subject even if I don't agree with the Subject. There's a reason for that - if we start rationalising every freedom then eventually we will rationalise them all away.

I watched their pranks and onlookers were obviously shocked and had know idea what was happening. They obviously weren't in on it.

yes they were.... but we didnt find that out until they were arrested..

This is from the article-

Interviewed on Channel Ten's The Project on Wednesday, the brothers denied suggestions that the people presented as unsuspecting members of the public in their videos were in on the joke??????

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Reply #134 - Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:55am

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cods wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:49am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:43am:

cods wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:38am:

[quote author=alevine link=1456491963/118#118 date=1456608767]No, I believe killing oneself is a right, but not by means that impact others.

can you really kill yourelf...without impacting others???

goodness me no end to what you know sir?...

what advice would you give to anyone contemplating doing that???

I see where you wouldnt try to talk them out of it... Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

... as its their right... along with acting out terrorist shootouts.in any old street.. Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

No I of course would show empathy and try to rationalise and help the person. But I don't think it should be an illegal act in the event a person ends up doing it.

Having a right, and promoting the exercise of an act are separate things cods. I find it absurd that you would try to suggest otherwise.

For instance, I believe drugs should be deemed legal. Doesn't mean I would encourage taking drugs. [/quote]

really.... ok if you say so..

empathy... hahahaha.. yeah but you just said its their right to leave this world..

you want a bet each way... dont we all.. Angry

Angry

Angry

Angry

everything we do has a consequence to it....

if you b elieve it is someone right to take their own life....... then you let them do it...

you also said as long as they do it without impacting on anyone else....???

explain how they can do that if you would.

I would think even the person who finds their body would be impacted on..

It is a persons right in my opinion. Doesn't mean i would encourage them to exercise their right.

You don't seem to appreciate the difference, cods.

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