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Reply #195 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:14pm

The Heartless Felon wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 1:33pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 2:24am:

mariacostel wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:15am:

freediver wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:12am:

If you can see the obvious difference, why bring it up?

A cop will not shoot you if you merely have a cricket bat. Compared to an automatic weapon, the urgency to disarm you is not there. If you have an automatic weapon, the cop is pretty much obliged to shoot first in the interests of public safety. And if you do not appear to be committing a crime, there is also far less urgency.

Are you just pretending to not see the difference? How many different ways do we need to explain this to you?

Where do you get this? Cops get Intel before rushing into a situation. No cop is going to rush into a gun fight. Hence this belief that they'll confuse a fake gun with a real gun is ridiculous. Especially when there are no bullets flying but noises being made. Gee that isn't suspicious.

I cannot believe you are really that stupid. A gun is only 'real' if it is being fired? Your argument falls down right there.

Where did I say that? I said that no cops just drive around the corner and start shooting without asking questions. It's going to be blatantly obvious that the gun is fake and there is no real danger when they come around the corner, hear the gun noise but see no 1) recoil and 2) bullets.

To see them, they'd have to be sub, sub, SUB-sonic rounds...

Another using movie knowledge to try and argue .

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Reply #196 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:16pm

freediver wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 1:11pm:

Are you denying that you claimed the streets were empty?

Alevines arguments so far:

* the streets were empty (except for all those people caught on film in the background)
* the people caught on film in the background couldn't possibly have noticed what was going on, but if they did, they would have known it was staged
* criminals never wear disguises
* crimes are never caught on film
* if you were a gambling man, you'd bet on them surviving
* a cop faced with an automatic weapon will stop and have a look around and realise that crimes are never filmed and criminals never wear disguises
* a kidnapping, bombing or shooting is really no different to a picnic in the park or a game of cricket.
* doing "nothing at all" to prevent the situation escalating counts as a "good effort"
* cops never shoot people accidentally
* it is OK to get shot if it is the cop's fault and their gun gets taken away
* suicide by cop is a fundamental human right, so long as it results from stupidity and crazy ideas about freedom, rather than intent
* what are the Darwin awards?

I'm just glad that you finally gave up your ludicrous suggestion that cops would come guns blazing around the corner and fail to ascertain the situation first before blowing everyone's heads off. A shame though that you've taken to misrepresenting my views and things I said, clearly because you don't really have an argument left to hide the real reason why you would want to see these kids charged (hint: allah akbar)

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Re: more suppression of free speech
Reply #197 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:25pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 2:06am:

ian wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 11:40pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 9:48am:

cods wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 9:46am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

Sydney Morning Herald-29 minutes ago

'A middle-aged man spat in a baby's face and then ran off only to be hit by a car in a bizarre unprovoked incident in an inner Sydney street '

I suppose this is OK as long as he did it "artistically"?

better ask sir he is the expert on CRIME and criminal acts..

Don't get so upset for being caught out.

You cant catch anyone out, you have zero knowledge.

Incorrect.

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and again

. Aren't you over being wrong so many times?

Nothing you have posted so far shows to me you have any experience of being in any incident involving violence other than viewing from an extreme distance or from a television screen. You are arguing from a basis of zero knowledge, you werent even aware that what these people are doing, i.e. creating a false belief was actually a crime. But carry on.

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Re: more suppression of free speech
Reply #198 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:30pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 2:24am:

[quote author=mariacostel link=1456491963/180#180 date=1456648896][quote author=alevine li
Where did I say that? I said that no cops just drive around the corner and start shooting without asking questions.

Of course they do, they do it all the time,. There have been numerous cases where cops have mistaken toy guns for real firearms. if someone life is under threat then there is no hesitation, people have been shot for threatening coppers with rubber knives.

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Re: more suppression of free speech
Reply #199 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:32pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 1:11pm:

Are you denying that you claimed the streets were empty?

Alevines arguments so far:

* the streets were empty (except for all those people caught on film in the background)
* the people caught on film in the background couldn't possibly have noticed what was going on, but if they did, they would have known it was staged
* criminals never wear disguises
* crimes are never caught on film
* if you were a gambling man, you'd bet on them surviving
* a cop faced with an automatic weapon will stop and have a look around and realise that crimes are never filmed and criminals never wear disguises
* a kidnapping, bombing or shooting is really no different to a picnic in the park or a game of cricket.
* doing "nothing at all" to prevent the situation escalating counts as a "good effort"
* cops never shoot people accidentally
* it is OK to get shot if it is the cop's fault and their gun gets taken away
* suicide by cop is a fundamental human right, so long as it results from stupidity and crazy ideas about freedom, rather than intent
* what are the Darwin awards?

I'm just glad that you finally gave up your ludicrous suggestion that cops would come guns blazing around the corner and fail to ascertain the situation first before blowing everyone's heads off. A shame though that you've taken to misrepresenting my views and things I said, clearly because you don't really have an argument left to hide the real reason why you would want to see these kids charged (hint: allah akbar)

Are you denying that you claimed the streets were empty?

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Re: more suppression of free speech
Reply #200 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:40pm

ian wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 2:24am:

[quote author=mariacostel link=1456491963/180#180 date=1456648896][quote author=alevine li
Where did I say that? I said that no cops just drive around the corner and start shooting without asking questions.

Of course they do, they do it all the time,. There have been numerous cases where cops have mistaken toy guns for real firearms. if someone life is under threat then there is no hesitation, people have been shot for threatening coppers with rubber knives.

Provide a similar case, where a person is filming a short clip, putting in provisions to ensure they do it in quiet areas, with actors, and where a cop has come along and gone 'Oh no I'm going to quickly just start shooting. Bang bang bang'.

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Reply #201 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:41pm

freediver wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:32pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 1:11pm:

Are you denying that you claimed the streets were empty?

Alevines arguments so far:

* the streets were empty (except for all those people caught on film in the background)
* the people caught on film in the background couldn't possibly have noticed what was going on, but if they did, they would have known it was staged
* criminals never wear disguises
* crimes are never caught on film
* if you were a gambling man, you'd bet on them surviving
* a cop faced with an automatic weapon will stop and have a look around and realise that crimes are never filmed and criminals never wear disguises
* a kidnapping, bombing or shooting is really no different to a picnic in the park or a game of cricket.
* doing "nothing at all" to prevent the situation escalating counts as a "good effort"
* cops never shoot people accidentally
* it is OK to get shot if it is the cop's fault and their gun gets taken away
* suicide by cop is a fundamental human right, so long as it results from stupidity and crazy ideas about freedom, rather than intent
* what are the Darwin awards?

I'm just glad that you finally gave up your ludicrous suggestion that cops would come guns blazing around the corner and fail to ascertain the situation first before blowing everyone's heads off. A shame though that you've taken to misrepresenting my views and things I said, clearly because you don't really have an argument left to hide the real reason why you would want to see these kids charged (hint: allah akbar)

Are you denying that you claimed the streets were empty?

If you bothered to read what I said, rather than try to misrepresent it, I clearly said that the streets were quiet.

But carry on with your misrepresentations. Just be careful not to walk around with water pistols, a cop might think you are armed and start shooting indiscriminately. It should actually be a crime to have them. All children should be arrested.

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Re: more suppression of free speech
Reply #202 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:42pm

ian wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:25pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 2:06am:

ian wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 11:40pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 9:48am:

cods wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 9:46am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

Sydney Morning Herald-29 minutes ago

'A middle-aged man spat in a baby's face and then ran off only to be hit by a car in a bizarre unprovoked incident in an inner Sydney street '

I suppose this is OK as long as he did it "artistically"?

better ask sir he is the expert on CRIME and criminal acts..

Don't get so upset for being caught out.

You cant catch anyone out, you have zero knowledge.

Incorrect.

Again Sad

and again

. Aren't you over being wrong so many times?

Nothing you have posted so far shows to me you have any experience of being in any incident involving violence other than viewing from an extreme distance or from a television screen. You are arguing from a basis of zero knowledge, you werent even aware that what these people are doing, i.e. creating a false belief was actually a crime. But carry on.

Have I ever been in a gun fight? No. Do I base my thinking on movies, like you? No. I don't believe I can go in against armed assailants with my bare hands and kill everyone. You seem to think you're some kind of batman. A drunk batman.

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Reply #204 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 8:48pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:32pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 1:11pm:

Are you denying that you claimed the streets were empty?

Alevines arguments so far:

* the streets were empty (except for all those people caught on film in the background)
* the people caught on film in the background couldn't possibly have noticed what was going on, but if they did, they would have known it was staged
* criminals never wear disguises
* crimes are never caught on film
* if you were a gambling man, you'd bet on them surviving
* a cop faced with an automatic weapon will stop and have a look around and realise that crimes are never filmed and criminals never wear disguises
* a kidnapping, bombing or shooting is really no different to a picnic in the park or a game of cricket.
* doing "nothing at all" to prevent the situation escalating counts as a "good effort"
* cops never shoot people accidentally
* it is OK to get shot if it is the cop's fault and their gun gets taken away
* suicide by cop is a fundamental human right, so long as it results from stupidity and crazy ideas about freedom, rather than intent
* what are the Darwin awards?

I'm just glad that you finally gave up your ludicrous suggestion that cops would come guns blazing around the corner and fail to ascertain the situation first before blowing everyone's heads off. A shame though that you've taken to misrepresenting my views and things I said, clearly because you don't really have an argument left to hide the real reason why you would want to see these kids charged (hint: allah akbar)

Are you denying that you claimed the streets were empty?

If you bothered to read what I said, rather than try to misrepresent it, I clearly said that the streets were quiet.

I did ask if you needed me to get out the highlighter again. You should have said. Here is a previous example of you getting confused, despite the highlighting:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 8:11am:

freediver wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 8:06am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 8:01am:

freediver wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:58am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:37am:

So why proceed with a charge when they showed it was all staged?

The issue is that this isn't about trying to cause public harm. All the kids did was stage a prank. With actors. In empty streets.

But because it's about terrorism, our tax payer money was used to charge these kids. For what? Absolutely nothing.

Still pushing this excuse that they made an effort are you?

This is the first video on their facebook page:

In the very first scene, you see two cars drive by in the background.

Alevines arguments so far:

* criminals never wear disguises
* crimes are never caught on film
* if you were a gambling man, you'd bet on them surviving
* a cop faced with an automatic weapon will stop and have a look around and realise that crimes are never filmed and criminals never wear disguises
* a kidnapping, bombing or shooting is really no different to a picnic in the park or a game of cricket.
* Doing "nothing at all" to prevent the situation escalating counts as a "good effort".

I bet if you interviewed the two car drivers they wouldn't have even realised they were in the area at the time.

Keep going, it's fun watching you try and rationalise such a waste of tax payer money. Good to see the police are protecting the community by locking up pranksters. Great job.

So you were lying about the streets being empty, and about them making an effort to stop people stumbling across their pranks, but that is OK because the two or more people captured in the very first scene probably didn't realise?

Out of the many arguments you have tried to make to defend these idiots, is there a single one that hasn't turned out to be BS?

Not at all, I said quite clearly that there was a passerby in their video. But it's their best effort attempts that matter here.

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Reply #205 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:02pm

I used to run a training course....

I'd place a pistol on the counter and ask:- "What's this?"

Virtually all responses were that it was a pistol or weapon.

I'd then say... this is a collection of steel and wood... it is a weapon ONLY when it is held in a person's hand.. and only when that person has it ready to use it and appears intent on using it.

Kids have been shot dead for waving plastic guns at cops. That doesn't mean the cops are trigger happy.. it means they had a reasonable concern, even fear, that the weapon being brandished was real and could kill them or someone else.

'Ere!

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=children+shot+while+brandishing+plastic+guns&...

http://www.iranonline.com/avc/Fact_Sheet_About_Toy_Guns.html

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Reply #206 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:14pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

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Have I ever been in a gun fight? No. Do I base my thinking on movies, like you? No. I don't believe I can go in against armed assailants with my bare hands and kill everyone. You seem to think you're some kind of batman. A drunk batman.

Lol, I never said i would go in against armed assailants with bare hand and kill everyone. I do have reflexes built on personal experience though, so do others. Your emotions are ruling you. Relax, take a chill pill, take time to read what people post instead of getting emotional, just because you havent personally experienced something doesnt mean others havent. Thats the basis of learning, from others.

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Reply #208 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:21pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:40pm:

ian wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 2:24am:

[quote author=mariacostel link=1456491963/180#180 date=1456648896][quote author=alevine li
Where did I say that? I said that no cops just drive around the corner and start shooting without asking questions.

Of course they do, they do it all the time,. There have been numerous cases where cops have mistaken toy guns for real firearms. if someone life is under threat then there is no hesitation, people have been shot for threatening coppers with rubber knives.

Provide a similar case, where a person is filming a short clip, putting in provisions to ensure they do it in quiet areas, with actors, and where a cop has come along and gone 'Oh no I'm going to quickly just start shooting. Bang bang bang'.

Why? that wont prove your argument. Thats the basis of the whole prank, that people dont know they are pranking. I dont think you are too up on this prank thing.

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Reply #209 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:45pm

ian wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:21pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:40pm:

ian wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 2:24am:

[quote author=mariacostel link=1456491963/180#180 date=1456648896][quote author=alevine li
Where did I say that? I said that no cops just drive around the corner and start shooting without asking questions.

Of course they do, they do it all the time,. There have been numerous cases where cops have mistaken toy guns for real firearms. if someone life is under threat then there is no hesitation, people have been shot for threatening coppers with rubber knives.

Provide a similar case, where a person is filming a short clip, putting in provisions to ensure they do it in quiet areas, with actors, and where a cop has come along and gone 'Oh no I'm going to quickly just start shooting. Bang bang bang'.

Why? that wont prove your argument. Thats the basis of the whole prank, that people dont know they are pranking. I dont think you are too up on this prank thing.

I see another who doesn't know how to read. All the participants were aware.

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