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Reply #210 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:46pm

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sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:57pm:

http://capedcrusades.com/2015/10/12/bizarre-woman-talks-to-batman-doll-attacks-c...

Let's now ban all plastic dolls. it's too risky. Should be criminal.

A doll doesnt look like a gun. Are you on something?

Only things that look like a gun should be banned?

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Reply #211 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:49pm

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sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

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Have I ever been in a gun fight? No. Do I base my thinking on movies, like you? No. I don't believe I can go in against armed assailants with my bare hands and kill everyone. You seem to think you're some kind of batman. A drunk batman.

Lol, I never said i would go in against armed assailants with bare hand and kill everyone. I do have reflexes built on personal experience though, so do others. Your emotions are ruling you. Relax, take a chill pill, take time to read what people post instead of getting emotional, just because you havent personally experienced something doesnt mean others havent. Thats the basis of learning, from others.

So how would you go ahead and take out armed assailants shooting at you on the street, Ian? Prey tell us, drunk batman.

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Reply #212 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:49pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:45pm:

ian wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:21pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:40pm:

ian wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 2:24am:

[quote author=mariacostel link=1456491963/180#180 date=1456648896][quote author=alevine li
Where did I say that? I said that no cops just drive around the corner and start shooting without asking questions.

Of course they do, they do it all the time,. There have been numerous cases where cops have mistaken toy guns for real firearms. if someone life is under threat then there is no hesitation, people have been shot for threatening coppers with rubber knives.

Provide a similar case, where a person is filming a short clip, putting in provisions to ensure they do it in quiet areas, with actors, and where a cop has come along and gone 'Oh no I'm going to quickly just start shooting. Bang bang bang'.

Why? that wont prove your argument. Thats the basis of the whole prank, that people dont know they are pranking. I dont think you are too up on this prank thing.

I see another who doesn't know how to read. All the participants were aware.

... but.. but... BUT... what about the...

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Reply #213 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:58pm

freediver wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 8:48pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:32pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 1:11pm:

Are you denying that you claimed the streets were empty?

Alevines arguments so far:

* the streets were empty (except for all those people caught on film in the background)
* the people caught on film in the background couldn't possibly have noticed what was going on, but if they did, they would have known it was staged
* criminals never wear disguises
* crimes are never caught on film
* if you were a gambling man, you'd bet on them surviving
* a cop faced with an automatic weapon will stop and have a look around and realise that crimes are never filmed and criminals never wear disguises
* a kidnapping, bombing or shooting is really no different to a picnic in the park or a game of cricket.
* doing "nothing at all" to prevent the situation escalating counts as a "good effort"
* cops never shoot people accidentally
* it is OK to get shot if it is the cop's fault and their gun gets taken away
* suicide by cop is a fundamental human right, so long as it results from stupidity and crazy ideas about freedom, rather than intent
* what are the Darwin awards?

I'm just glad that you finally gave up your ludicrous suggestion that cops would come guns blazing around the corner and fail to ascertain the situation first before blowing everyone's heads off. A shame though that you've taken to misrepresenting my views and things I said, clearly because you don't really have an argument left to hide the real reason why you would want to see these kids charged (hint: allah akbar)

Are you denying that you claimed the streets were empty?

If you bothered to read what I said, rather than try to misrepresent it, I clearly said that the streets were quiet.

I did ask if you needed me to get out the highlighter again. You should have said. Here is a previous example of you getting confused, despite the highlighting:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 8:11am:

freediver wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 8:06am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 8:01am:

freediver wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:58am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 7:37am:

So why proceed with a charge when they showed it was all staged?

The issue is that this isn't about trying to cause public harm. All the kids did was stage a prank. With actors. In empty streets.

But because it's about terrorism, our tax payer money was used to charge these kids. For what? Absolutely nothing.

Still pushing this excuse that they made an effort are you?

This is the first video on their facebook page:

In the very first scene, you see two cars drive by in the background.

Alevines arguments so far:

* criminals never wear disguises
* crimes are never caught on film
* if you were a gambling man, you'd bet on them surviving
* a cop faced with an automatic weapon will stop and have a look around and realise that crimes are never filmed and criminals never wear disguises
* a kidnapping, bombing or shooting is really no different to a picnic in the park or a game of cricket.
* Doing "nothing at all" to prevent the situation escalating counts as a "good effort".

I bet if you interviewed the two car drivers they wouldn't have even realised they were in the area at the time.

Keep going, it's fun watching you try and rationalise such a waste of tax payer money. Good to see the police are protecting the community by locking up pranksters. Great job.

So you were lying about the streets being empty, and about them making an effort to stop people stumbling across their pranks, but that is OK because the two or more people captured in the very first scene probably didn't realise?

Out of the many arguments you have tried to make to defend these idiots, is there a single one that hasn't turned out to be BS?

Not at all, I said quite clearly that there was a passerby in their video. But it's their best effort attempts that matter here.

ok ok freediver, in the interest of keeping this discussion away from nit picking, I apologise immensely for saying the streets were empty as opposed to practically empty, because 2 cars in the distance drive by completely unaware and not involved in the prank at all.

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Reply #214 - Feb 29^th, 2016 at 11:01pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:49pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:45pm:

ian wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:21pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:40pm:

ian wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 2:24am:

[quote author=mariacostel link=1456491963/180#180 date=1456648896][quote author=alevine li
Where did I say that? I said that no cops just drive around the corner and start shooting without asking questions.

Of course they do, they do it all the time,. There have been numerous cases where cops have mistaken toy guns for real firearms. if someone life is under threat then there is no hesitation, people have been shot for threatening coppers with rubber knives.

Provide a similar case, where a person is filming a short clip, putting in provisions to ensure they do it in quiet areas, with actors, and where a cop has come along and gone 'Oh no I'm going to quickly just start shooting. Bang bang bang'.

Why? that wont prove your argument. Thats the basis of the whole prank, that people dont know they are pranking. I dont think you are too up on this prank thing.

I see another who doesn't know how to read. All the participants were aware.

... but.. but... BUT... what about the...http://www.innocentbystander.com.au/skin/frontend/default/innocent/images/innoce...

Videos show a walking innocent bystander who was completely unaware and couldn't care less, and 2 cars in the distance.

Are we really going to go down this topic of foregoing rights in the interest of innocent bystanders? we aren't Singapore.

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The Great Genghis Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 186 The Big Hut Gender:	Re: more suppression of free speech Reply #215 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 12:07am HAHA Great Victory against White Dogs! Billy Jack banned for expressing hatefuls and wrongs about us Glorious Celestial Chosens stealing technology!! HAHAHA! Wonderful Australian Free Speech Brother!
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Re: more suppression of free speech
Reply #216 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 12:24am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:45pm:

ian wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:21pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:40pm:

ian wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 2:24am:

[quote author=mariacostel link=1456491963/180#180 date=1456648896][quote author=alevine li
Where did I say that? I said that no cops just drive around the corner and start shooting without asking questions.

Of course they do, they do it all the time,. There have been numerous cases where cops have mistaken toy guns for real firearms. if someone life is under threat then there is no hesitation, people have been shot for threatening coppers with rubber knives.

Provide a similar case, where a person is filming a short clip, putting in provisions to ensure they do it in quiet areas, with actors, and where a cop has come along and gone 'Oh no I'm going to quickly just start shooting. Bang bang bang'.

Why? that wont prove your argument. Thats the basis of the whole prank, that people dont know they are pranking. I dont think you are too up on this prank thing.

I see another who doesn't know how to read. All the participants were aware.

God youre dumb.

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Reply #217 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 12:26am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:46pm:

ian wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:57pm:

http://capedcrusades.com/2015/10/12/bizarre-woman-talks-to-batman-doll-attacks-c...

Let's now ban all plastic dolls. it's too risky. Should be criminal.

A doll doesnt look like a gun. Are you on something?

Only things that look like a gun should be banned?

this thread has nothing to do with banning anything. Are you hearing voices?

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Re: more suppression of free speech
Reply #218 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 12:29am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:49pm:

ian wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

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Have I ever been in a gun fight? No. Do I base my thinking on movies, like you? No. I don't believe I can go in against armed assailants with my bare hands and kill everyone. You seem to think you're some kind of batman. A drunk batman.

Lol, I never said i would go in against armed assailants with bare hand and kill everyone. I do have reflexes built on personal experience though, so do others. Your emotions are ruling you. Relax, take a chill pill, take time to read what people post instead of getting emotional, just because you havent personally experienced something doesnt mean others havent. Thats the basis of learning, from others.

So how would you go ahead and take out armed assailants shooting at you on the street, Ian? Prey tell us, drunk batman.

the basis of your arguement is that these people were immediately recognisable as nothing more than pranksters. Are you changing that?

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Reply #219 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 12:34am

The Great Genghis wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 12:07am:

HAHA Great Victory against White Dogs! Billy Jack banned for expressing hatefuls and wrongs about us Glorious Celestial Chosens stealing technology!! HAHAHA! Wonderful Australian Free Speech Brother!

Friend,that just makes us all sad here... if you was in them big-ass Brisbane suburbs and riding them fancy trucks to work, and by-passing all them hard working folk what get themselves into a serious mortgage and slavery to them lenders... well... I reckon you might just be one of them folks getting set for the scaffold... it's a sad thing, friend, and it's such a burden on them hard working folk, that they only ever pay the way of them big people at that top end...... friend, that makes me right sad.

Now if y'all reckon you can git ol' Billy Jack...an' be them numbah ten invasion force like them D-Day dudes...I reckon y'all could take this burg with no complaint... but that ain't the case right there, pilgrim.

Ol' BJ an' his friends.. well.. sorry 'bout that.. they gonna put you right in your place an' make things right for them good ol' boys what's payin' them high prices for their homes, son.

An' that ain't no threat pilgrim... that is just reality right there.

God Bless Brisbane Town and God Bless our temporarily absent friend, Billy Jack. That good ol' boy will be back an' firing brimstone for y'all anti-believers there.

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Reply #220 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 12:37am

ian wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 12:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:49pm:

ian wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

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Have I ever been in a gun fight? No. Do I base my thinking on movies, like you? No. I don't believe I can go in against armed assailants with my bare hands and kill everyone. You seem to think you're some kind of batman. A drunk batman.

Lol, I never said i would go in against armed assailants with bare hand and kill everyone. I do have reflexes built on personal experience though, so do others. Your emotions are ruling you. Relax, take a chill pill, take time to read what people post instead of getting emotional, just because you havent personally experienced something doesnt mean others havent. Thats the basis of learning, from others.

So how would you go ahead and take out armed assailants shooting at you on the street, Ian? Prey tell us, drunk batman.

the basis of your arguement is that these people were immediately recognisable as nothing more than pranksters. Are you changing that?

Difference between one small iota of real life and just thinking about it, ian.

These declaimers will never be called upon to control a threat. TV and video games kids.....

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Reply #221 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 12:48am

ian wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 12:24am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:45pm:

ian wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:21pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:40pm:

ian wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 2:24am:

[quote author=mariacostel link=1456491963/180#180 date=1456648896][quote author=alevine li
Where did I say that? I said that no cops just drive around the corner and start shooting without asking questions.

Of course they do, they do it all the time,. There have been numerous cases where cops have mistaken toy guns for real firearms. if someone life is under threat then there is no hesitation, people have been shot for threatening coppers with rubber knives.

Provide a similar case, where a person is filming a short clip, putting in provisions to ensure they do it in quiet areas, with actors, and where a cop has come along and gone 'Oh no I'm going to quickly just start shooting. Bang bang bang'.

Why? that wont prove your argument. Thats the basis of the whole prank, that people dont know they are pranking. I dont think you are too up on this prank thing.

I see another who doesn't know how to read. All the participants were aware.

God youre dumb.

is this another of your typical run away posts where now you'll claim you always knew all the participants in the prank were aware of the prank?

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Reply #222 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 12:50am

ian wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 12:26am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:46pm:

ian wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:57pm:

http://capedcrusades.com/2015/10/12/bizarre-woman-talks-to-batman-doll-attacks-c...

Let's now ban all plastic dolls. it's too risky. Should be criminal.

A doll doesnt look like a gun. Are you on something?

Only things that look like a gun should be banned?

this thread has nothing to do with banning anything. Are you hearing voices?

read again, drunk batman.

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Reply #223 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 12:54am

ian wrote on Mar 1^st, 2016 at 12:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 10:49pm:

ian wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 29^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

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Have I ever been in a gun fight? No. Do I base my thinking on movies, like you? No. I don't believe I can go in against armed assailants with my bare hands and kill everyone. You seem to think you're some kind of batman. A drunk batman.

Lol, I never said i would go in against armed assailants with bare hand and kill everyone. I do have reflexes built on personal experience though, so do others. Your emotions are ruling you. Relax, take a chill pill, take time to read what people post instead of getting emotional, just because you havent personally experienced something doesnt mean others havent. Thats the basis of learning, from others.

So how would you go ahead and take out armed assailants shooting at you on the street, Ian? Prey tell us, drunk batman.

the basis of your arguement is that these people were immediately recognisable as nothing more than pranksters. Are you changing that?

that's not the basis of my argument. The basis of my argument is that people have a right to express their freedom of speech without the threat of persecution from an overzealous police force. In this case, there is no danger to the public and there are reasonable steps taken by the kids to specifically ensure their artistic expression does not cause public havoc during the filming.

Now, I'm more interested in how you are designed to kill people with your bare hands and run into a dangerous situation without any arms what so ever, drunk batman?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: more suppression of free speech Reply #224 - Mar 1^st, 2016 at 5:30pm Soren wrote on Feb 28^th, 2016 at 5:47pm: Freedom of speech - use it. All the time, everywhere. It's not for some transient government to grant it or take it away.
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