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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: more suppression of free speech Reply #45 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 8:40am "We", as in russian jews? Or "we" as in the people who were gracious enough to allow you to live among them?
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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: more suppression of free speech Reply #46 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 8:41am ... wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 8:40am: "We", as in russian jews? I'm an Aussie just like you, wes. we are both proud and loud, fat stinky a$$ aussies!
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Reply #47 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 8:43am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 8:31am:

cods wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 1:13am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 12:59am:

...that's not free speech.

Just like a fake triple 0. Throw the book at the wenkers

It is freedom of speech because it is artistic expression.

is piddling up a lamppost in broad daylight also artistic? I wonder! Roll Eyes

seems to me we can all put handles like that on anything we do...

society is all about drawing lines in the sand...

so if someone decided they wanted to go down your street throwing flour bombs from their car over yours and every car in the street...

that would be OK because its all about freedom of speech.. Angry

and ART!

Were the flour bombs done as part of a filming? We're participants made aware and consent sought? Was damage covered?

You seem to misunderstand the entire topic cods.

no dear its you thats confused..

no one knew these were fake until these boys were arrested...

up until then you and everyone else believed them for what they were.....

they even lied on TV....

you want a bet each way as per usual... Roll Eyes

it was all in the name of art.....

just as well no one had a major heart attack WHAT?..

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Reply #48 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 8:46am

Come now wes, you should feel gracious that my family agreed to come and fill in shortages in skills that were deteriorating Australia. If not for families like mine, Australia would have way too many 'the mechanics'. But...who would treat them when these 'the mechanics' fell ill with worms after eating raw meat because they didn't know how to cook it? Who would fix their teeth and teach 'the mechanic' how to floss? Who would interpret the laws? Who would...oh you get it.

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Reply #49 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 8:47am

cods wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 8:43am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 8:31am:

cods wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 8:29am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 1:13am:

Swagman wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 12:59am:

...that's not free speech.

Just like a fake triple 0. Throw the book at the wenkers

It is freedom of speech because it is artistic expression.

is piddling up a lamppost in broad daylight also artistic? I wonder! Roll Eyes

seems to me we can all put handles like that on anything we do...

society is all about drawing lines in the sand...

so if someone decided they wanted to go down your street throwing flour bombs from their car over yours and every car in the street...

that would be OK because its all about freedom of speech.. Angry

and ART!

Were the flour bombs done as part of a filming? We're participants made aware and consent sought? Was damage covered?

You seem to misunderstand the entire topic cods.

no dear its you thats confused..

no one knew these were fake until these boys were arrested...

up until then you and everyone else believed them for what they were.....

they even lied on TV....

you want a bet each way as per usual... Roll Eyes

it was all in the name of art.....

just as well no one had a major heart attack WHAT?..

Who had a major heart attack? What part of this was all staged is hard to understand?

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: more suppression of free speech Reply #50 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:05am I refuse to share the outrage - I thought they were quite well done and as funny as Hell. What DOES piss me off is the reaction of the police, the media, and the usual cohort of brain-dead wowsers this country seems to be infested with these days. Get a sense of humour, have a good laugh, and move on.
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Reply #51 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:07am

Kat wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:05am:

I refuse to share the outrage - I thought they were quite well done and as funny as Hell.

What DOES piss me off is the reaction of the police, the media, and the usual cohort of
brain-dead wowsers this country seems to be infested with these days.

Get a sense of humour, have a good laugh, and move on.

My sentiment exactly.

The same people who laugh at pie in face pranks get upset because it happens to be a prank about terrorism. Except it's entirely staged vs. The other which is preying on the unsuspecting. And while neither should get our panties into a knot, which is the one that is deemed inappropriate?

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Reply #52 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:26am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 8:12am:

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 7:38am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 7:01am:

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 6:57am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:44am:

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 4:56am:

To what extent was it staged? Are we talking a movie set here?

If you are waving a gun around in an apparent committal of a crime, and point it at a police officer who stumbles across your idiocy, you are going to get shot. If a member of the public thinks you are committing a serious crime and takes the opportunity to hit you on the head with the nearest heavy object, you won't get much sympathy.

Really? So now the only way to express oneself is to go and take out a council permit to close down a street and declare a movie set? How about we look as reason here. The kids put together a YouTube video. They had actors. They did it in obvious quiet areas.

That's it, that's all there is to it. Cops are being overZealous as always.

I admit I haven't seen a lot of random pedestrians in the videos. But if you only have one cameraman, and a cop or concerned citizen can't see that it is staged, things could go bad very quickly. The 'making of' videos I have (briefly) seen do not show any effort to prevent this.

It's like any prank out there. In fact others are worse for actually using unaware participants. There is no damage to public property and there is no showing of public indecency or nuisance. The cops should've treated it as nothing more then a misunderstanding. Instead, perhaps to save face, but more likely to warn others of doing similar videos, the cops are proceeding to punish people for expressing their art. It's like we are living in putin Russia.

It is not at all like any prank out there. Very few pranks would inspire a cop to pull his gun, or a concerned citizen to hit someone over the head with a table.

Nor are they being charged with indecency or destruction of property. It seems to me that your problem is you still don't realise what the issue is here.

And the issue is?

The issue was pointed out in the original article and repeated many times in this thread. I am not sure why it is obscure to you.

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Reply #53 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:43am

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:26am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 8:12am:

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 7:38am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 7:01am:

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 6:57am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:44am:

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 4:56am:

To what extent was it staged? Are we talking a movie set here?

If you are waving a gun around in an apparent committal of a crime, and point it at a police officer who stumbles across your idiocy, you are going to get shot. If a member of the public thinks you are committing a serious crime and takes the opportunity to hit you on the head with the nearest heavy object, you won't get much sympathy.

Really? So now the only way to express oneself is to go and take out a council permit to close down a street and declare a movie set? How about we look as reason here. The kids put together a YouTube video. They had actors. They did it in obvious quiet areas.

That's it, that's all there is to it. Cops are being overZealous as always.

I admit I haven't seen a lot of random pedestrians in the videos. But if you only have one cameraman, and a cop or concerned citizen can't see that it is staged, things could go bad very quickly. The 'making of' videos I have (briefly) seen do not show any effort to prevent this.

It's like any prank out there. In fact others are worse for actually using unaware participants. There is no damage to public property and there is no showing of public indecency or nuisance. The cops should've treated it as nothing more then a misunderstanding. Instead, perhaps to save face, but more likely to warn others of doing similar videos, the cops are proceeding to punish people for expressing their art. It's like we are living in putin Russia.

It is not at all like any prank out there. Very few pranks would inspire a cop to pull his gun, or a concerned citizen to hit someone over the head with a table.

Nor are they being charged with indecency or destruction of property. It seems to me that your problem is you still don't realise what the issue is here.

And the issue is?

The issue was pointed out in the original article and repeated many times in this thread. I am not sure why it is obscure to you.

It's an irrelevant issue because it was all staged.

No other objections then?

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Reply #55 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:52am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:49am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 5:09am:

I thought the videos were real.
I didn't know that everyone in them was an actor:

Yes, if it was a proper sketch show, everyone would be applauding. But because it's a garage production and the cops got a little upset we all have to be outraged.

I commend the kids for following obvious talents. Well done.

I suppose Hollywood might pick them up as comic geniuses...... or they might get into NIDA on AA.... world's their oyster..... Huh

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Reply #56 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:54am

Kat wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:05am:

I refuse to share the outrage - I thought they were quite well done and as funny as Hell.

What DOES piss me off is the reaction of the police, the media, and the usual cohort of
brain-dead wowsers this country seems to be infested with these days.

Get a sense of humour, have a good laugh, and move on.

of course you do...

you laugh like mad at all those who lampoon refugees.... RIGHT?....funny as hell.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 8:47am:

Who had a major heart attack? What part of this was all staged is hard to understand?

the first part sunshine....

where you and everyone else thought they were for real...

its like April Fool day... when it all becomes clear it was a JOKE....you can laugh about it..

can I ask again..

are you okay with someone having an ART DAY in your street where they throw flour bombs at all the cars and windows followed by the eggs just to make it REAL ART....

and then a week later they come along and say

oh it was ART we were having FUN....

you know FUN..... at your expense of course.. Roll Eyes

just answer the question sirdick...

yes or NO...no need for deflecting....

lets see! these boys may have started a new trend..

coming to a street near you and Kat real soon.....

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Reply #57 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:56am

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:48am:

If people don't realise it is staged, then it is relevant. If the kid or someone else gets shot by a cop, the fact it was staged won't make it hurt any less.

As far as I can tell they made no effort at all to prevent people stumbling across their 'stage'.

its ok kat and sir think it was in the name of humorous ART...

if some unsuspecting id.iot happened along.. thats their hard luck..

it was FUNNY.... Roll Eyes

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Reply #58 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:01am

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:48am:

If people don't realise it is staged, then it is relevant. If the kid or someone else gets shot by a cop, the fact it was staged won't make it hurt any less.

As far as I can tell they made no effort at all to prevent people stumbling across their 'stage'.

If a cop killed the kid with a fake gun the likelihood is the cop would be charged with manslaughter. Cops are trained to assess situations and given the kids are smart enough to stage the entire thing I doubt they'd let the situation escalate to the point the cops felt they needed to shoot.

And they did best effort. 1) it was all entirely staged 2) clearly the streets are not busy. And if people did stumble on its still not a criminal act. In the end if I walked around blowing a horn and some unsuspecting passerby got scared it's hardly a criminal act by me. This is entirely the same. If a person overreacts seeing fake bearded children with a camera then I'm sorry but the unsuspecting person is foolish to say the least.

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Reply #59 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:03am

cods wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:56am:

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 9:48am:

If people don't realise it is staged, then it is relevant. If the kid or someone else gets shot by a cop, the fact it was staged won't make it hurt any less.

As far as I can tell they made no effort at all to prevent people stumbling across their 'stage'.

its ok kat and sir think it was in the name of humorous ART...

if some unsuspecting id.iot happened along.. thats their hard luck..

it was FUNNY.... Roll Eyes

A person is not a criminal because of what ifs. The kids should be commended for providing comedy and taking steps to ensure their actions were as safe as possible, yet also appearing to look real. Great effort!

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