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Re: more suppression of free speech
Reply #75 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:52am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:43am:

Ajax wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:37am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:06pm:

The cops are insane in this issue - why are we wasting time and money on what is obviously a prank????

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/they-were-all-actors-jalals-admit-girl-in-driv...

Their insistence to charge these pranksters is nothing more than an attempt to suppress acts of free speech from ordinary citizens.

Wow that is your definition of free speech..........????

These guys are nothing more than a bunch of clowns that need to be disciplined....!!!!

Freedom of speech is being able to express one self without being persecuted.

So if you're dressed in a tux with the misses in evening attire and waiting for the green man to cross the road, and these clowns roll up and throw raw eggs at you and the boss.

This is free speech.............???

Or a stupid act by a bunch of clowns that just ruined your night.

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Re: more suppression of free speech
Reply #76 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:00am

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:50am:

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It's not a shootout when only one party is doing all the shooting

Good point. Would that make it hurt less when the kids get shot by cops or hit over the head with a heavy object?

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And if the cops are trigger happy to the point that they don't first assess the situation, see the camera, the fake beards, and the fake guns, then I'm sorry but our society must have a much bigger problem then some kids performing a prank.

Earth to Alevine - people get shot by police for far less, and there is no "check for hidden cameras first" section in the police manual. If the camera is off in the distance or on the other side of a tree or pole, it won't be seen.

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What would you suggest we do? All live a beauracratic life?

You just finished explaining that the kids took "appropriate steps." You obviously think they should have done something other than paperwork to reduce the risk.

How onerous would a few "filming in progress" signs be?

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They did reasonable best effort: everyone was an actor. Streets were practically empty and where they aren't empty you can see the participants either uninterested or giggling. No one seems to be threatened.

They did a reasonable effort to make a video. They made no effort at all to reduce the risk of someone misinterpreting it. You might as well argue that getting out of bed first is making an effort.

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And I love your wet floor sign examples. Guess what: if a person fails to put out a wet floor sign, but mops, it can be foreseen that someone trips and dies.

You just finished explaining how difficult it is for you to foresee a fairly obvious outcome.

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Guess what - it would most likely be deemed an accident and a civil matter between business and plaintiffs. Doubtful the moppee would be found of a criminal act. And guess what, not having a wet floor sign is NOt a criminal act. Yet what about all those what ifs? That poor grandma with her bad hip?

What criminal acts are these kids being charged with?

Do you see an apparent violent crime in progress as being just as risky as a wet floor?

So your argument is in order to protect the kids from being shot by cops one ought to criminalise what the kids are doing? Really?

Like I said, cops being trigger happy is a problem in its own. Protecting people from trigger happy cops is to retrain the trigger happy cops.

I actually see the wet floor as being more risky than kids in fake beards with a fake gun scaring other kids who are in full knowledge of what is going on, in a street that's basically empty.

And from the angles of the camera it's hardly hidden. Especially when it's all staged.

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Re: more suppression of free speech
Reply #77 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:01am

Ajax wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:43am:

Ajax wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:37am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:06pm:

The cops are insane in this issue - why are we wasting time and money on what is obviously a prank????

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/they-were-all-actors-jalals-admit-girl-in-driv...

Their insistence to charge these pranksters is nothing more than an attempt to suppress acts of free speech from ordinary citizens.

Wow that is your definition of free speech..........????

These guys are nothing more than a bunch of clowns that need to be disciplined....!!!!

Freedom of speech is being able to express one self without being persecuted.

So if you're dressed in a tux with the misses in evening attire and waiting for the green man to cross the road, and these clowns roll up and throw raw eggs at you and the boss.

This is free speech.............???

Or a stupid act by a bunch of clowns that just ruined your night.

You can sue for civil actions if you like to get the suit cleaned. But no cop would bring criminal charges for that.

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Re: more suppression of free speech
Reply #78 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:05am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:01am:

Ajax wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:43am:

Ajax wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:37am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:06pm:

The cops are insane in this issue - why are we wasting time and money on what is obviously a prank????

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/they-were-all-actors-jalals-admit-girl-in-driv...

Their insistence to charge these pranksters is nothing more than an attempt to suppress acts of free speech from ordinary citizens.

Wow that is your definition of free speech..........????

These guys are nothing more than a bunch of clowns that need to be disciplined....!!!!

Freedom of speech is being able to express one self without being persecuted.

So if you're dressed in a tux with the misses in evening attire and waiting for the green man to cross the road, and these clowns roll up and throw raw eggs at you and the boss.

This is free speech.............???

Or a stupid act by a bunch of clowns that just ruined your night.

You can sue for civil actions if you like to get the suit cleaned. But no cop would bring criminal charges for that.

But how is this free speech..??

Its just a stupid act by dumb people..!!

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Re: more suppression of free speech
Reply #79 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:12am

Ajax wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:05am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:01am:

Ajax wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:52am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:43am:

Ajax wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:37am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 26^th, 2016 at 11:06pm:

The cops are insane in this issue - why are we wasting time and money on what is obviously a prank????

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/they-were-all-actors-jalals-admit-girl-in-driv...

Their insistence to charge these pranksters is nothing more than an attempt to suppress acts of free speech from ordinary citizens.

Wow that is your definition of free speech..........????

These guys are nothing more than a bunch of clowns that need to be disciplined....!!!!

Freedom of speech is being able to express one self without being persecuted.

So if you're dressed in a tux with the misses in evening attire and waiting for the green man to cross the road, and these clowns roll up and throw raw eggs at you and the boss.

This is free speech.............???

Or a stupid act by a bunch of clowns that just ruined your night.

You can sue for civil actions if you like to get the suit cleaned. But no cop would bring criminal charges for that.

But how is this free speech..??

Its just a stupid act by dumb people..!!

If the tux was made out of leopard skin then it would be free speech.

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Re: more suppression of free speech
Reply #80 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:23am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 10:50am:

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It's not a shootout when only one party is doing all the shooting

Good point. Would that make it hurt less when the kids get shot by cops or hit over the head with a heavy object?

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And if the cops are trigger happy to the point that they don't first assess the situation, see the camera, the fake beards, and the fake guns, then I'm sorry but our society must have a much bigger problem then some kids performing a prank.

Earth to Alevine - people get shot by police for far less, and there is no "check for hidden cameras first" section in the police manual. If the camera is off in the distance or on the other side of a tree or pole, it won't be seen.

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What would you suggest we do? All live a beauracratic life?

You just finished explaining that the kids took "appropriate steps." You obviously think they should have done something other than paperwork to reduce the risk.

How onerous would a few "filming in progress" signs be?

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They did reasonable best effort: everyone was an actor. Streets were practically empty and where they aren't empty you can see the participants either uninterested or giggling. No one seems to be threatened.

They did a reasonable effort to make a video. They made no effort at all to reduce the risk of someone misinterpreting it. You might as well argue that getting out of bed first is making an effort.

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And I love your wet floor sign examples. Guess what: if a person fails to put out a wet floor sign, but mops, it can be foreseen that someone trips and dies.

You just finished explaining how difficult it is for you to foresee a fairly obvious outcome.

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Guess what - it would most likely be deemed an accident and a civil matter between business and plaintiffs. Doubtful the moppee would be found of a criminal act. And guess what, not having a wet floor sign is NOt a criminal act. Yet what about all those what ifs? That poor grandma with her bad hip?

What criminal acts are these kids being charged with?

Do you see an apparent violent crime in progress as being just as risky as a wet floor?

So your argument is in order to protect the kids from being shot by cops one ought to criminalise what the kids are doing? Really?

Like I said, cops being trigger happy is a problem in its own. Protecting people from trigger happy cops is to retrain the trigger happy cops.

I actually see the wet floor as being more risky than kids in fake beards with a fake gun scaring other kids who are in full knowledge of what is going on, in a street that's basically empty.

It is perfectly understandable for a cop to shoot someone in that situation. After all, they are deliberately making it look like a violent crime is being committed.

I do not want to criminalise what these kids are doing. The end product is fine. the concept is fine. I only have a problem with what I see as reckless endangerment.

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And from the angles of the camera it's hardly hidden

You haven't put much thought into this have you?

All it takes is for it to be hidden, or merely not seen, by a cop or member of the public.

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Re: more suppression of free speech
Reply #81 - Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:29am

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2016 at 11:23am: