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Reply #45 - Mar 11^th, 2016 at 9:55am

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 8:32am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

The issue is the combination of lack of good role model and morphed body image in media. And then it's break down of larger nuclear family. All of them perpetrated by extreme right corporatism rather than the leftist.

what are you on about.

The demise of the confident male as head of the family , which was the standard narrative for countless generations is ENTIRELY due to leftard feminism, moronic leftard loons like Whitlam with his quickee divorces and single mothers pensions , and a leftard media which teaches kids to be fearful of environemental disasters and to be in a constant frame of apologising to svengali for living on someone elses land (as broadcast in supplicating school assemblies every morning ...thanking the rightful owners of the land for your right to be here).

good grief, kids are taught zero resilience, zero pride, zero ambition by lefties with zero confidence.

the whole education system is staffed with fearful anxious leftard female teachers and armies of hand wringing guidance officers.

Let old scoot in there to kick some heads and build some legitimate self esteem for these miserable quivering scared fearful anxious directionless scrubs that the system is churning out .

I disagree entirely with you and cultural warrior. Feminism was bought about inevitability after critical turning point of industrial revolution, and follows the gradually - but at times violent steps towards democracy from an old feudal system that was once in England. For example, the peasants revolt bought about initial changes that allow the commons to vote - abit just men. The passing over of those rights to woman and then the minorities were then just extensions. And then modern feminism movement - is a further extension yet. You will find that this quest for equality among individuals are supported by moderates of both sides of the politics.

Secondly, feminism does not seek to remove male as confident head of family. Rather, it seeks to give rise to two confident heads of the family, or as each individual family permits, if there have to be one head, then it can either male or female.

One cannot say that feminism is entirely to blame for erosion of the nuclear family. It is at its heart, just an ideology. Rather, the real practical breakdown of nuclear family in modern decades are due to the changing economy of our society. The deregulation of banking, the ever increasing and spirally cost of living, cost of housing, cost of health, and the media driving ideology of independence --> had all directly and practically contributed to people working longer, studying longer, and as consequence less time for family. That I think is the real problem.

Its a bit rich for people like you to cry foul about feminism and nuclear family breakdown, and yet on another thread, attacking weekend penalty rates and wages on another. Make up your minds.

A house divided against itself cannot stand.....

.. and what else is feminism based on but media driven 'independence'? The media is full of endless stories of great women.... while Rome burns...

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Re: Australian suicide rates reach 13 year high
Reply #47 - Mar 11^th, 2016 at 11:57am

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 10:11am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 8:37am:

A smart woman knows if she satisfies her man, he would never look elsewhere if he is a quality man.

Exactly.

Wise Mother to Daughter on her Wedding Night:

"If you keep his belly full and his balls empty you'll have a long and happy marriage".

herb, thats not how David Daeda would have put it.
perhaps this

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Reply #49 - Mar 11^th, 2016 at 12:12pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 9:55am:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 8:32am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 6:36pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 10^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

The issue is the combination of lack of good role model and morphed body image in media. And then it's break down of larger nuclear family. All of them perpetrated by extreme right corporatism rather than the leftist.

what are you on about.

The demise of the confident male as head of the family , which was the standard narrative for countless generations is ENTIRELY due to leftard feminism, moronic leftard loons like Whitlam with his quickee divorces and single mothers pensions , and a leftard media which teaches kids to be fearful of environemental disasters and to be in a constant frame of apologising to svengali for living on someone elses land (as broadcast in supplicating school assemblies every morning ...thanking the rightful owners of the land for your right to be here).

good grief, kids are taught zero resilience, zero pride, zero ambition by lefties with zero confidence.

the whole education system is staffed with fearful anxious leftard female teachers and armies of hand wringing guidance officers.

Let old scoot in there to kick some heads and build some legitimate self esteem for these miserable quivering scared fearful anxious directionless scrubs that the system is churning out .

I disagree entirely with you and cultural warrior. Feminism was bought about inevitability after critical turning point of industrial revolution, and follows the gradually - but at times violent steps towards democracy from an old feudal system that was once in England. For example, the peasants revolt bought about initial changes that allow the commons to vote - abit just men. The passing over of those rights to woman and then the minorities were then just extensions. And then modern feminism movement - is a further extension yet. You will find that this quest for equality among individuals are supported by moderates of both sides of the politics.

Secondly, feminism does not seek to remove male as confident head of family. Rather, it seeks to give rise to two confident heads of the family, or as each individual family permits, if there have to be one head, then it can either male or female.

One cannot say that feminism is entirely to blame for erosion of the nuclear family. It is at its heart, just an ideology. Rather, the real practical breakdown of nuclear family in modern decades are due to the changing economy of our society. The deregulation of banking, the ever increasing and spirally cost of living, cost of housing, cost of health, and the media driving ideology of independence --> had all directly and practically contributed to people working longer, studying longer, and as consequence less time for family. That I think is the real problem.

Its a bit rich for people like you to cry foul about feminism and nuclear family breakdown, and yet on another thread, attacking weekend penalty rates and wages on another. Make up your minds.

A house divided against itself cannot stand.....

.. and what else is feminism based on but media driven 'independence'? The media is full of endless stories of great women.... while Rome burns...

A house is divided anyway, if one voice decide to suppress another. In which case, any perceived 'happiness' is then an illusion.

The media is an extension of modern corporatism, which emphasizing on ever increasing consumerism. For as long as there is Television, success was marked by monetary value, the degree of sexual conquest, and above all as to how much an individual owns. And on the contrary, achievements by great individuals like Mother Teresa goes UN-mentioned. It is sad, when, I see peers of my age group knows more about gossips of ALF extra marital affairs than what is Fred Hollow foundation.

That my friend, sums up the type of society we live in.

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Reply #50 - Mar 11^th, 2016 at 12:25pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

A house is divided anyway, if one voice decide to suppress another.

And this demonstrates the adversarial mindset we're encouraged to take.

Question - would you say the captain of a team "suppresses" their vice captain?

Or, are both respected positions, both by each other, and the other team members?

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Re: Australian suicide rates reach 13 year high
Reply #51 - Mar 11^th, 2016 at 12:34pm

... wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 12:25pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

A house is divided anyway, if one voice decide to suppress another.

And this demonstrates the adversarial mindset we're encouraged to take.

Question - would you say the captain of a team "suppresses" their vice captain?

Or, are both respected positions, both by each other, and the other team members?

I originally put forward the idea that a family unit can have more than one voices, like .... two voices - which is what you are stating now. Grappler decided to argue that means the house is divided when there is more than two voices. So I assumed, he meant, the voice of male by default should over-ride the female voice, otherwise, its divided.

So I put forward the point that if you have a household with one voice, but that voice suppresses the other one, then what success or happiness there is are just an illusion.

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Reply #52 - Mar 11^th, 2016 at 12:41pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

... wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 12:25pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

A house is divided anyway, if one voice decide to suppress another.

And this demonstrates the adversarial mindset we're encouraged to take.

Question - would you say the captain of a team "suppresses" their vice captain?

Or, are both respected positions, both by each other, and the other team members?

I originally put forward the idea that a family unit can have more than one voices, like .... two voices - which is what you are stating now. Grappler decided to argue that means the house is divided when there is more than two voices. So I assumed, he meant, the voice of male by default should over-ride the female voice, otherwise, its divided.

So I put forward the point that if you have a household with one voice, but that voice suppresses the other one, then what success or happiness there is are just an illusion.

Everyone has a voice, even the children, but only one voice can have the final word.

If a vice captain works for the good of the team, their advice and counsel is respected and considered. But if they work to undermine their captain and assume the head role for themselves, they destroy the team.

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Reply #53 - Mar 11^th, 2016 at 12:50pm

... wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 12:34pm:

... wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 12:25pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

A house is divided anyway, if one voice decide to suppress another.

And this demonstrates the adversarial mindset we're encouraged to take.

Question - would you say the captain of a team "suppresses" their vice captain?

Or, are both respected positions, both by each other, and the other team members?

I originally put forward the idea that a family unit can have more than one voices, like .... two voices - which is what you are stating now. Grappler decided to argue that means the house is divided when there is more than two voices. So I assumed, he meant, the voice of male by default should over-ride the female voice, otherwise, its divided.

So I put forward the point that if you have a household with one voice, but that voice suppresses the other one, then what success or happiness there is are just an illusion.

Everyone has a voice, even the children, but only one voice can have the final word.

If a vice captain works for the good of the team, their advice and counsel is respected and considered. But if they work to undermine their captain and assume the head role for themselves, they destroy the team.

Family life have more dimensions than just a sporting team Honky. Therefore, i believe it depends on the situation who makes the final decision. For example: If the wife is a nurse, and the husband is an electrician. Then naturally, the husband have the final say in what sort of cables needed to wire the house. Vice versa the wife would have the final say on what type of dressing is better for superficial burns. If there is disagreement on certain issues, then compromises need to be made. You dont have to have a clear captain / vice captain to have a fully functional and loving family.

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Reply #54 - Mar 11^th, 2016 at 1:01pm

A good captain (or leader in general) will often defer to those with superior expertise in a given area. Think how many advisers a president or PM surround themselves with.

People who are not leaders seem to think leadership is made up of people shouting "this is the way it's gonna be OR ELSE!". But an overbearing leader will lose their team as quickly and as surely as a weak, wishy washy one. It's a highly nuanced balancing act, in an age when nuance has been sacrificed for sensationalism.

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Reply #55 - Mar 11^th, 2016 at 2:03pm

... wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:

A good captain (or leader in general) will often defer to those with superior expertise in a given area. Think how many advisers a president or PM surround themselves with.

People who are not leaders seem to think leadership is made up of people shouting "this is the way it's gonna be OR ELSE!". But an overbearing leader will lose their team as quickly and as surely as a weak, wishy washy one. It's a highly nuanced balancing act, in an age when nuance has been sacrificed for sensationalism.

exactly, and most dumb guys would have no idea what you were talking about.
I hate to say it but Mothra is smarter then most guys.
(and thats saying something).
Now, being dumb and , by default, lazy, what is the solution for your average suburban chode?

Let the woman run things.
Lay about and try to get a few brownie points when you think that might result in boring unfulfilling sex.
She wont be turned on because (thanks to her and the sisterhood shaming the guy) he is just lousy at sex.
Watch boring tv til her nagging drives you to do the bare minimum.
Provide a role model to your son of a beaten down loser.
Provide a role model to your daughter of a putz.
The mother is angry and irritable all the time and the whole thing is a disaster leading to the breakdown of the family unit.
Welcome to leftard domestic mediocre nirvanna Wink

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Reply #56 - Mar 11^th, 2016 at 2:41pm

I don't think it's fair to call people dumb for not knowing something they've never been exposed to. Half these young guys coming up got taught "how to be a man" by women, so of course they're going to be lost.

What would classify them as dumb is if they don't do anything about it. They can do everything right (according to the popular narrative) and it will burn them. What makes them dumb is if they can't or won't learn from these lessons.

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Reply #57 - Mar 17^th, 2016 at 6:22am

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 11^th, 2016 at 8:32am:

For example, the peasants revolt bought about initial changes that allow the commons to vote - abit just men.

Mothra tickleandrose, it should be made clear that initially the only men who could vote were those who owned land, and a certain size of land at that. The vast majority of men therefore did not vote because they weren't land owners of a certain size. The gap between all men getting the vote and all women getting it is approximately 30 years (this varies from Western country to Western country but it doesn't move much more than a decade or two either side). It is therefore a great myth that all men had voting rights for hundreds of years prior to women's suffrage.

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One cannot say that feminism is entirely to blame for erosion of the nuclear family. It is at its heart, just an ideology. Rather, the real practical breakdown of nuclear family in modern decades are due to the changing economy of our society. The deregulation of banking, the ever increasing and spirally cost of living, cost of housing, cost of health, and the media driving ideology of independence --> had all directly and practically contributed to people working longer, studying longer, and as consequence less time for family. That I think is the real problem.

No. You have it back to front. In tough times it brings the family closer together because they need to rely on each other more. In economic prosperous times it can drive families apart because each member is not needed in the economic sense anymore. Think before the welfare state existed. Who did people rely on mainly to subsist? Their family. Extended families were often closer as well. This is still the case outside of prosperous countries.

But feminism doesn't get off the hook here. Economic factors driven by liberalism (individualism) are not direct attacks on the family. Family breakdown is an accidental by-product or side-effect of it. Feminism, particularly the second and third waves, directly attack the nuclear family because it's "patriarchal". The hatred of masculine drives and instincts by feminists has confused and muddled the point of the family all together. This is taught in all higher education, and has been since the 1960s, and it now looks like it's going to be taught to children as young as 7 under the Safe Schools program.

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