Australian Politics Forum - Amewica made ISIS!!!!

Karnal

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 95479
Gender: male

Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!!
Reply #45 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 3:52pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 3:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 3:46pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 3:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 3:41pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 3:32pm:

American didn't create the tribal civil war that occurred afterwards in which Osama Bin Laden came to power in where he became leader of the Taliban.

Sorry?

That tribal crap has been going on in Afghanistan for thousands of years Knowledge. Don't lay that on some other country.

Osama bin Laden was a Saudi, Homo. What was he doing leading the Taliban?

Because he moved there to fight with them and made his way up the rankings? Huh

Look it up Sugar Muffin.

He ran the Taliban? What do you think I'll find if I look this up, Homo?

I'm curious.

Back to top

IP Logged

polite_gandalf

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male

Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!!
Reply #46 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 3:53pm

bin Laden wasn't leader of the taliban.

Officially Al Qaeda were guests of the taliban, who desperately needed their funding. But in reality there was resentment between them - AQ wanted a global fight, while the taliban were only interested in securing Afghanistan. The taliban were also not blind to the threat posed by AQ to their hold on power - and were horrified when 9/11 happened.

You're also not quite right about the rise of bin Laden and AQ. His global campaign of terror was instigated directly by the US occupation of Saudi Arabia to protect the oil fields from Saddam. Listen to his messages - the presense of US bases in Saudi Arabia is one of, if not the key element of his global jihad - not the local Afghan conflict.

Back to top

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:

Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

IP Logged

Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95479 Gender:	Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!! Reply #47 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 3:55pm polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 3:53pm: bin Laden wasn't leader of the taliban. Now now, G, we'll let Homo be the judge of that.
Back to top	IP Logged

Mr Hammer

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 25212
Gender: male

Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!!
Reply #48 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 3:57pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

bin Laden wasn't leader of the taliban.

Officially Al Qaeda were guests of the taliban, who desperately needed their funding. But in reality there was resentment between them - AQ wanted a global fight, while the taliban were only interested in securing Afghanistan. The taliban were also not blind to the threat posed by AQ to their hold on power - and were horrified when 9/11 happened.

You're also not quite right about the rise of bin Laden and AQ. His global campaign of terror was instigated directly by the US occupation of Saudi Arabia to protect the oil fields from Saddam. Listen to his messages - the presense of US bases in Saudi Arabia is one of, if not the key element of his global jihad - not the local Afghan conflict.

Osama was leader of AQ right who wanted a global fight like you just said. But before you said Osama didn't want a global fight. Make up your mind. Didn't Osama Bina A Hiden lead the Taliban in Afghanistan when the Americans landed??? These organisations are very connected.

Back to top

IP Logged

Karnal

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 95479
Gender: male

Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!!
Reply #49 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 3:58pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

bin Laden wasn't leader of the taliban.

Officially Al Qaeda were guests of the taliban, who desperately needed their funding. But in reality there was resentment between them - AQ wanted a global fight, while the taliban were only interested in securing Afghanistan. The taliban were also not blind to the threat posed by AQ to their hold on power - and were horrified when 9/11 happened.

You're also not quite right about the rise of bin Laden and AQ. His global campaign of terror was instigated directly by the US occupation of Saudi Arabia to protect the oil fields from Saddam. Listen to his messages - the presense of US bases in Saudi Arabia is one of, if not the key element of his global jihad - not the local Afghan conflict.

Osama was leader of AQ right who wanted a global fight like you just said. But before you said Osama didn't want a global fight. Make up your mind. Didn't Osama Bina A Hiden lead the Taliban in Afghanistan when the Americans landed??? These organisations are very connected.

You listen to Homo, G.

Quote:

I know history isn't one of you stronger subjects but p[lease get your facts right sugar muffin.

Back to top

IP Logged

Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!! Reply #50 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:01pm But sugar muffin, AQ and the Taliban were fighting together against the Americans lead by OBL. That's what I have been taught. Is that wrong??
Back to top	IP Logged

Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!! Reply #51 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:09pm Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 3:55pm: polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 3:53pm: bin Laden wasn't leader of the taliban. Now now, G, we'll let Homo be the judge of that. But baby, he was. He ruled it all. He was head chief of all of it sugar button.
Back to top	IP Logged

Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95479 Gender:	Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!! Reply #52 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:13pm Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:01pm: But sugar muffin, AQ and the Taliban were fighting together against the Americans lead by OBL. That's what I have been taught. Is that wrong?? There are no right or wrong answers here, Homo. What do you think I'll find when I Google this?
Back to top	IP Logged

Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95479 Gender:	Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!! Reply #53 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:16pm Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:01pm: That's what I have been taught. Oh, sorry, Homo. You're not saying this is a "fact", just what you've been taught. That clears that one up, then. What else have you been taught?
Back to top	IP Logged

Mr Hammer

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 25212
Gender: male

Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!!
Reply #54 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:19pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

But sugar muffin, AQ and the Taliban were fighting together against the Americans lead by OBL. That's what I have been taught. Is that wrong??

There are no right or wrong answers here, Homo. What do you think I'll find when I Google this?

The Taliban and AQ are connected dearest. AQ financed , trained, gave weapons to etc etc etc. It's the same with ISIS . It's a big organisation of off shoots. You'll get a simple answer that doesn't explore the complexity of it. OBL fought for years with various groups in Afghanistan including the Taliban. Loads of his money went to them. He was 2nd in command to Mullah Omarin in Afghanistan. You need to explore the subject.

Back to top

IP Logged

Karnal

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 95479
Gender: male

Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!!
Reply #55 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:22pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

But sugar muffin, AQ and the Taliban were fighting together against the Americans lead by OBL. That's what I have been taught. Is that wrong??

There are no right or wrong answers here, Homo. What do you think I'll find when I Google this?

The Taliban and AQ are connected dearest. AQ financed , trained, gave weapons to etc etc etc. It's the same with ISIS . It's a big organisation of off shoots. You'll get a simple answer that doesn't explore the complexity of it. OBL fought for years with various groups in Afghanistan including the Taliban. Loads of his money went to them. He was 2nd in command to Mullah Omarin in Afghanistan. You need to explore the subject.

Sorry, did you just say he was second in command?

How have you managed to explore this subject after you said he was leader? Did you Google it?

Back to top

IP Logged

Mr Hammer

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 25212
Gender: male

Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!!
Reply #56 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:24pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

But sugar muffin, AQ and the Taliban were fighting together against the Americans lead by OBL. That's what I have been taught. Is that wrong??

There are no right or wrong answers here, Homo. What do you think I'll find when I Google this?

The Taliban and AQ are connected dearest. AQ financed , trained, gave weapons to etc etc etc. It's the same with ISIS . It's a big organisation of off shoots. You'll get a simple answer that doesn't explore the complexity of it. OBL fought for years with various groups in Afghanistan including the Taliban. Loads of his money went to them. He was 2nd in command to Mullah Omarin in Afghanistan. You need to explore the subject.

Sorry, did you just say he was second in command?

How have you managed to explore this subject after you said he was leader?

Your knowledge of the tank Stream made me realise how much history you know. Writing miam miam is as good as it gets.

Back to top

IP Logged

Karnal

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 95479
Gender: male

Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!!
Reply #57 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:25pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

But sugar muffin, AQ and the Taliban were fighting together against the Americans lead by OBL. That's what I have been taught. Is that wrong??

There are no right or wrong answers here, Homo. What do you think I'll find when I Google this?

The Taliban and AQ are connected dearest. AQ financed , trained, gave weapons to etc etc etc. It's the same with ISIS . It's a big organisation of off shoots. You'll get a simple answer that doesn't explore the complexity of it. OBL fought for years with various groups in Afghanistan including the Taliban. Loads of his money went to them. He was 2nd in command to Mullah Omarin in Afghanistan. You need to explore the subject.

Sorry, did you just say he was second in command?

How have you managed to explore this subject after you said he was leader?

Your knowledge of the tank Stream made me realise how much history you know. Writing miam miam is as good as it gets.

I'm not sure what you mean, Homo. Was Osama bin Laden the leader of the Taliban or not? We'll need to clear this up before we move on.

Back to top

IP Logged

Mr Hammer

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 25212
Gender: male

Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!!
Reply #58 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:28pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

But sugar muffin, AQ and the Taliban were fighting together against the Americans lead by OBL. That's what I have been taught. Is that wrong??

There are no right or wrong answers here, Homo. What do you think I'll find when I Google this?

The Taliban and AQ are connected dearest. AQ financed , trained, gave weapons to etc etc etc. It's the same with ISIS . It's a big organisation of off shoots. You'll get a simple answer that doesn't explore the complexity of it. OBL fought for years with various groups in Afghanistan including the Taliban. Loads of his money went to them. He was 2nd in command to Mullah Omarin in Afghanistan. You need to explore the subject.

Sorry, did you just say he was second in command?

How have you managed to explore this subject after you said he was leader?

Your knowledge of the tank Stream made me realise how much history you know. Writing miam miam is as good as it gets.

I'm not sure what you mean, Homo. Was Osama bin Laden the leader of the Taliban or not? We'll need to clear this up before we move on.

Oh yes . He was the king radical jihadist of the world princess until he became fish bait. King of all of it.

Back to top

IP Logged

Karnal

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 95479
Gender: male

Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!!
Reply #59 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:33pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

But sugar muffin, AQ and the Taliban were fighting together against the Americans lead by OBL. That's what I have been taught. Is that wrong??

There are no right or wrong answers here, Homo. What do you think I'll find when I Google this?

The Taliban and AQ are connected dearest. AQ financed , trained, gave weapons to etc etc etc. It's the same with ISIS . It's a big organisation of off shoots. You'll get a simple answer that doesn't explore the complexity of it. OBL fought for years with various groups in Afghanistan including the Taliban. Loads of his money went to them. He was 2nd in command to Mullah Omarin in Afghanistan. You need to explore the subject.

Sorry, did you just say he was second in command?

How have you managed to explore this subject after you said he was leader?

Your knowledge of the tank Stream made me realise how much history you know. Writing miam miam is as good as it gets.

I'm not sure what you mean, Homo. Was Osama bin Laden the leader of the Taliban or not? We'll need to clear this up before we move on.

Oh yes . He was the king radical jihadist of the world princess until he became fish bait. King of all of it.

We're talking about the Taliban, Homo. You seem to be distancing yourself from your earlier claim.

You tend to do this a fair bit - no problem. There are no right or wrong answers here. It's just strange when you post things like this:

Quote:

I know history isn't one of you stronger subjects but p[lease get your facts right sugar muffin.

I'm curious. Have you switched from your earlier empirical perspective to a more hermeneutic view of historiography?

Back to top

IP Logged