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Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!!
Reply #75 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 5:10pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 5:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:56pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:51pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:49pm:

Bombing in Cambodia had nothing to do with the overthrow of The Cambodian monarchy by the KR.

Sorry? I'm confused.

That's not my problem. So bombing in eastern Cambodia caused the overthrow of a Cambodian monarchy to communism? How?

That's a question, Homo. I'm trying to help you with answers.

You obviously know so tell me. I need to be educated??

Are you asking me to provide you with the answer? What happened to "don't be so lazy and look it up"?

We all need to be educated, Homo - some more than others. Personally, I'm a student of the more-you-know-the-less-you-know school of thought.

Don't avoid a chance to educate. Show me your knowledge on the subject. Otherwise it looks like you are avoiding the chance to educate because you actually know nothing on the subject.

It's test time, Homo. Why didn't you ask this earlier?

No worries. You can always repeat.

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Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!!
Reply #76 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 5:12pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

bin Laden wasn't leader of the taliban.

Officially Al Qaeda were guests of the taliban, who desperately needed their funding. But in reality there was resentment between them - AQ wanted a global fight, while the taliban were only interested in securing Afghanistan. The taliban were also not blind to the threat posed by AQ to their hold on power - and were horrified when 9/11 happened.

You're also not quite right about the rise of bin Laden and AQ. His global campaign of terror was instigated directly by the US occupation of Saudi Arabia to protect the oil fields from Saddam. Listen to his messages - the presense of US bases in Saudi Arabia is one of, if not the key element of his global jihad - not the local Afghan conflict.

Osama was leader of AQ right who wanted a global fight like you just said. But before you said Osama didn't want a global fight. Make up your mind. Didn't Osama Bina A Hiden lead the Taliban in Afghanistan when the Americans landed??? These organisations are very connected.

1. I never said OBL didn't want a global fight, I said he didn't want a global caliphate. He attacked America all over the globe- but only justified it in terms of fighting aggression and imperialism. The twin towers represented US-led global trade and the pentagon obviously represents US military power

2. No, OBL did not lead the taliban - it was lead by Mullah Omar at the time of invasion. The taliban was a local Pashtun group who were only interested in ruling Afghanistan. Al Qaeda is global group of jihadis from across the muslim world - but mostly arab. Despite nominal cooperation during the taliban years, the two groups remained very separate.

Why fight the world if he didn't want to expand Islam. Why not just attack America?? So the Taliban and AQ were never affiliated?

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Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!!
Reply #77 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 5:14pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 5:10pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 5:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:56pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:51pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 4:49pm:

Bombing in Cambodia had nothing to do with the overthrow of The Cambodian monarchy by the KR.

Sorry? I'm confused.

That's not my problem. So bombing in eastern Cambodia caused the overthrow of a Cambodian monarchy to communism? How?

That's a question, Homo. I'm trying to help you with answers.

You obviously know so tell me. I need to be educated??

Are you asking me to provide you with the answer? What happened to "don't be so lazy and look it up"?

We all need to be educated, Homo - some more than others. Personally, I'm a student of the more-you-know-the-less-you-know school of thought.

Don't avoid a chance to educate. Show me your knowledge on the subject. Otherwise it looks like you are avoiding the chance to educate because you actually know nothing on the subject.

It's test time, Homo. Why didn't you ask this earlier?

No worries. You can always repeat.

Go and wash the semen off your burqa and leave the history to people who know some. Run along. You have no answers.

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Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!!
Reply #78 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 5:18pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

The taliban was a local Pashtun group who were only interested in ruling Afghanistan. Al Qaeda is global group of jihadis from across the muslim world - but mostly arab. Despite nominal cooperation during the taliban years, the two groups remained very separate.

Now here's an answer with some insight. G shows here that he could never state that Osama was the head of the Taliban. Why?

Because the Taliban are fiercely independent Pashtuns. Afghanis are stubborn that way. The entire source of their pride is the fact that they've kicked out every foreign force in history. Afghans would never allow a rich Arab to call the shots. Osama was only ever a guest, as every schoolboy knows.

Now thank G for his education, Homo. There goes the bell.

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Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!!
Reply #79 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 5:20pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

The taliban was a local Pashtun group who were only interested in ruling Afghanistan. Al Qaeda is global group of jihadis from across the muslim world - but mostly arab. Despite nominal cooperation during the taliban years, the two groups remained very separate.

Now here's an answer with some insight. G shows here that he could never state that Osama was the head of the Taliban. Why?

Because the Taliban are fiercely independent Pashtuns. Afghanis are stubborn that way. The entire source of their pride is the fact that they've kicked out every foreign force in history. Afghans would never allow a rich Arab to call the shots.

Osama was only ever a guest, as every schoolboy knows.

Now thank G for his education, Homo. We'll resume tomorrow.

So OBL wasn't leading anybody when he was running terrorist camps and fighting in the Tora Bora mountains in Afghanistan hey???

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Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!!
Reply #80 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 5:21pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

The taliban was a local Pashtun group who were only interested in ruling Afghanistan. Al Qaeda is global group of jihadis from across the muslim world - but mostly arab. Despite nominal cooperation during the taliban years, the two groups remained very separate.

Now here's an answer with some insight. G shows here that he could never state that Osama was the head of the Taliban. Why?

Because the Taliban are fiercely independent Pashtuns. Afghanis are stubborn that way. The entire source of their pride is the fact that they've kicked out every foreign force in history. Afghans would never allow a rich Arab to call the shots. Osama was only ever a guest, as every schoolboy knows.

Now thank G for his education, Homo. There goes the bell.

Afghans would never allow a rich Arab to call the shots Grin

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Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!!
Reply #81 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 9:01pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 9:29am:

freediver wrote on Mar 14^th, 2016 at 8:40pm:

Do you recall all those people demanding the troops come home? It matters to them.

Did you recall all those people demanding we didn't go and illegally invade and destroy a sovereign nation based on lies in the first place? There were quite a lot you know. John's question is perfectly valid - if the powers that be and their useful idiots ignored the groundswell of opposition to the invasion, why should their opinion regarding the occupation suddenly matter?

Are you suggesting that because some people opposed the invasion and were ignored, we shouldn't have pulled the troops out because that would involve some kind of inconsistency?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95617 Gender:	Re: Amewica made ISIS!!!! Reply #82 - Mar 16^th, 2016 at 9:36pm But FD, you support the invasion. South Korea, remember. Freeeeedom.
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