polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 8:33am:

Well, I hope you don't get the money and all those little Muslims get to be sent to mainstream Australian schools.

Or Catholic schools. Or Anglican schools. Jewish schools.  Anything but segregationalist, jihadi Islamic schools.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 13^th, 2016 at 8:08am:


I think it is a bit rich for you to suggest that Muslim school administrations had no idea where their own money was going. It looks like a simple case of scapegoating in order to avoid dealing with the more fundamental problems.

If not, can we expect these school administrations to be duped again? Should we be concerned about where any future funds might end up? Is it inevitable that the next body set up to manage funds will start acting as a business, or worse, rather than how non-Muslims would expect a not-for-profit to act?

http://www.smh.com.au/good-weekend/the-controversies-raging-inside-our-islamic-s...

Islamic organisations in Western countries operate like secret honour based societies. This is a small example of how things are done 'Islamically'. There is excessive deference, group think, lack of accountability, paralysis about bringing other Muslims to account lest they are criticised in front of others or in public, bullying, corruption. Things are done like this in every aspect of life in Islamic countries and communities everywhere.


Rule of law, transparency, accountability, checks and balances, separation of powers and functions - they are missing to some degree, often entirely, in the Islamic context. This is as good an example of Islamic cultural difference as any. Islamic organiosations in Western countries, in addition, operate like secret honour based societies.

And to the great shame of Western authorities everywhere, they treat Muslim organisations with kid's gloves: parents protested in front of one of the school in 2012 about corrupt practices but nothing happened. Mustn't follow up lest they call the police islamophobic. The same attitude is evident in relation to the UK Muslim rape gangs.

This is what happens when Muslim want special treatment as well as full inclusion. There should be independent, non-Muslim people on the AFIC and school boards. Every normal organisation has independent board members - but Muslims boards are stacked to let the bully boys drive their agendas.  Just for that AFIC should be disbanded pronto.

Where do you get the idea I think its inevitable and expected FD?

Thanks FD.

Have another go. This time try and find where I said that mismanagement and corruption of Islamic or religious schools is inevitable and expected.

freediver wrote on Mar 16^th, 2016 at 8:55pm:


There is no "replacement organisation" being put in place - thats what I've been trying to say. They are transferring to local community control.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 17^th, 2016 at 6:43am:


Will this "local community control" take the form of an organisation that replaces AFIC? Or will be be a disorganised free-for-all (that will not misappropriate any funds...).

You are making an extra effort to avoid giving a straight answer today Gandalf.

So how do I get a straight answer Gandalf?

Should we expect anything different from whatever replacement* organisation is put in place?