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Reply #45 - Mar 17th, 2016 at 9:48pm
 
How many different ways can i say there is no replacement organisation? There is a school board and that is it. No longer is there an external organisation controlling the board.
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Reply #46 - Mar 17th, 2016 at 10:34pm
 
Ah. So it was replaced with an internal organisation that didn't replace it?

Can I get a straight answer now?
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Reply #47 - Mar 17th, 2016 at 10:51pm
 
What the faark do you want me to say FD? You want me to name a non-existent organisation?

There is a school board being elected as we speak. Is that what you mean? It is being elected by parents and friends of the school,  Is a school board usually known as an "organisation"? I certainly wouldn't describe it like that.  There is no external organisation controlling the new board like there was before, thats the point - there literally is no replacement for AFIC. Geddit yet??

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Reply #48 - Mar 18th, 2016 at 7:08am
 
Thanks for the update Gandalf. A yes or no will suffice.

Should we expect anything different from whatever replacement organisation is put in place?
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Reply #49 - Mar 18th, 2016 at 10:23am
 
still not comprehending the words "there is no replacement organisation" yet FD?

Are you asking about the school board?

Has it sunk in yet that you are asking about how a non-existent organisation will perform?
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Reply #50 - Mar 18th, 2016 at 10:29am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 17th, 2016 at 10:34pm:
Ah. So it was replaced with an internal organisation that didn't replace it?

Can I get a straight answer now?


not if you are asking a muslim
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Reply #51 - Mar 20th, 2016 at 9:58am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 18th, 2016 at 10:23am:
still not comprehending the words "there is no replacement organisation" yet FD?

Are you asking about the school board?

Has it sunk in yet that you are asking about how a non-existent organisation will perform?


I am asking about how you expect it will perform when it does exist. After all, I am sure these Muslims are trying very hard to get this mess sorted out.

Is your problem that you don't think a school board is an organisation? Is that why you refuse to answer? Or do you merely hope that Muslims can solve all the money issues by being completely disorganised in their management of millions of dollars in government funding?
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Reply #52 - Mar 20th, 2016 at 10:53am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 20th, 2016 at 9:58am:
Is your problem that you don't think a school board is an organisation? Is that why you refuse to answer?


Yes, a school board is not an "organisation" - at least not like what you were attempting to frame it as - as a "replacement" for AFIC. And I am not refusing to answer - I already stated long back that there is no reason, nor any evidence from existing examples such as Canberra Taqwa school and Adelaide Islamic School - to suspect that locally run boards (local "organisations" if you really insist) would mismanage things like AFIC run schools.
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Reply #53 - Mar 20th, 2016 at 2:57pm
 
Can you explain the difference between the stance you are taking now and what you said previously?

freediver wrote on Mar 16th, 2016 at 6:36pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12th, 2016 at 11:28am:
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2016 at 11:23am:
Are you saying this sort of thing is normal Gandalf?


LOL of course it is FD.


polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12th, 2016 at 11:28am:
freediver wrote on Mar 12th, 2016 at 11:23am:
If Muslims do consider this normal, why would we expect anything different from whatever replacement organisation is put in place?


You shouldn't.


polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12th, 2016 at 12:27pm:
But the simple fact of the matter is that it is normal for religious organisations to run themselves like a business.


polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12th, 2016 at 12:27pm:
You can say they shouldn't be for profit, but the reality is its impractical not to, and they need a business mindset to survive.


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Reply #54 - Mar 20th, 2016 at 8:52pm
 
No difference. That would be your reading comprehension again. Try reading the first sentence of my previous post to start with. That should help you.
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Reply #55 - Mar 20th, 2016 at 9:40pm
 
So Muslims are perfectly capable of running a school board without swindling the money, but if they do this as part of a Muslim religious organisation, the money is going to disappear?

Is that the distinction you are trying to make?
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Reply #56 - Mar 20th, 2016 at 11:04pm
 
The distinction I made between a big religious organisation (ie AFIC) externally running their institutions (such as schools) as businesses and locally owned and controlled school boards couldn't have been clearer.

You see, the reason you are having such difficulties here is that you can't (or refuse) to see any distinctions where muslims are involved. To you we're just a great big homogenous group of "muslims" - all sinister and all corrupt by default. Thats why you rhetorically ask me why the "replacement organisation" will be different. I say rhetorically, because thats exactly what it is - a rhetorical question. You are really stating something as fact - that any other "muslims" that take over are naturally going to be just as bad, since, well you know, we're muslims. So it then becomes a burden on me to disprove the natural order. Your line of inquiry can be summarised as 'muslims are naturally sinister and corrupt - so explain to me how this other group of muslims will be any different'. No doubt you will retort by saying it was me who came up with the idea that this behaviour is normal and inevitable. And of course by doing so you would once again get a Class A Fail for reading comprehension - since my point was about 'AFIC like organisations', big religious national, and often trans-national bodies being run like corporations who run their institutions for profit.

And naturally you see no difference between these bodies and local communities who take control of their school - for their community. We are all muslims - 'grinning muslims' as you so offensively put it some time ago, all with a hive mind and all conspiring together to be corrupt. AFIC will simply be replaced by AFIC  - local communities are by default as guilty as AFIC quite simply because - they are AFIC as far as you're concerned. Never mind trying to argue the proven track record of locally run schools - we are all AFIC. And thats why you ask the questions you ask - of course it makes no sense that replacing sinister muslims with sinister muslims would make any difference.
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Reply #57 - Mar 20th, 2016 at 11:22pm
 

all muslims belong to the same cult.

this cult wants to control every aspect of society.
this cult demands every other society be destroyed.
this cult is islam.
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Reply #58 - Mar 20th, 2016 at 11:45pm
 
I thought you were boycotting this forum sprint.
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Reply #59 - Mar 21st, 2016 at 8:13am
 
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You see, the reason you are having such difficulties here is that you can't (or refuse) to see any distinctions where muslims are involved. To you we're just a great big homogenous group of "muslims" - all sinister and all corrupt by default. Thats why you rhetorically ask me why the "replacement organisation" will be different. I say rhetorically, because thats exactly what it is - a rhetorical question. You are really stating something as fact - that any other "muslims" that take over are naturally going to be just as bad, since, well you know, we're muslims.


No Gandalf, I was genuinely surprised to see you argue that corruption is inevitable and to be expected from religious organisations, and that they actually need to be run as a business - despite the current example which will hopefully destroy AFIC. It makes no sense to me, so the distinction you are making is far from obvious.

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So it then becomes a burden on me to disprove the natural order. Your line of inquiry can be summarised as 'muslims are naturally sinister and corrupt - so explain to me how this other group of muslims will be any different'.


Actually Gandalf this was your argument. Do you remember all the references you made to the catholic church to try to prove your point?

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No doubt you will retort by saying it was me who came up with the idea that this behaviour is normal and inevitable.


Is that incorrect?

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And of course by doing so you would once again get a Class A Fail for reading comprehension - since my point was about 'AFIC like organisations', big religious national, and often trans-national bodies being run like corporations who run their institutions for profit.


Ah. Was profit written into the AFIC constitution?

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And naturally you see no difference between these bodies and local communities who take control of their school - for their community.


I previously gave examples of such local organisations to counter your 'inevitable corruption' argument. Did it never occur to you to point this out before? Or did you only just come up with it?

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We are all muslims - 'grinning muslims' as you so offensively put it some time ago, all with a hive mind and all conspiring together to be corrupt.


Where have I seen this "hive mind and all conspiring together" thing before Gandalf? Was it less offensive when you said it?
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