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GordyL Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4365 Hate Town Gender:	AFIC physically threaten female lawyer Mar 11^th, 2016 at 8:18pm Pleased watch 730 report to see how muzzies treat a female lawyer http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4423687.htm ALEX MANN: Back in Sydney, an emergency AFIC meeting is heating up. AFIC's lawyer emerged in tears. She says she was physically intimidated by supporters of Amjad Mehboob. http://imgur.com/QI42Xpe
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Reply #1 - Mar 11^th, 2016 at 10:26pm

dirty filthy lying muzzies

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.......................AMJAD MEHBOOB: The facts are not accurately depicted in that. First of all, ...

ALEX MANN: So this accounting firm, the Deloitte Access Economics, that does forensic audits for the Federal Government, they've got it wrong, did they?

AMJAD MEHBOOB: Yes. They got it wrong...........

......................'some individuals in AFIC felt that this was a - that this was a potential source of income'...............

.............The Federal Government won't confirm continued funding until they can be sure that the schools are truly clear of AFIC's influence. A final decision is due in early April..........

and gutless federal govt.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4423687.htm

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: AFIC physically threaten female lawyer Reply #2 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 6:58am AFIC is the problem and the federal govt is making renewed funding conditional on the school breaking all ties with afic. I fail to see how that is being gutless
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Reply #3 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 7:45am

How is the rest of the Australian Muslim community treating AFIC? Do they share your view that it is normal to confuse religious organisations with businesses?

Should we expect another Muslim representative body to form and start doing the same thing?

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In the end, both sides exit the hotel claiming victory, meaning that AFIC technically has two rival executive committees.

LOL, another schism.

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GordyL Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4365 Hate Town Gender:	Re: AFIC physically threaten female lawyer Reply #4 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 8:13am polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 6:58am: AFIC is the problem and the federal govt is making renewed funding conditional on the school breaking all ties with afic. I fail to see how that is being gutless And Keysar Trad is involved now. Bit of a worry?
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Reply #5 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 11:20am

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

How is the rest of the Australian Muslim community treating AFIC? Do they share your view that it is normal to confuse religious organisations with businesses?

The muslim community is rightly outraged at AFIC. Its probably why they have already replaced it with an external iterim council - or at least attempting to.

Also, are you still telling me the idea of organised religion becoming big business is completely alien to you? Have you discovered the catholic church yet?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49081 At my desk.	Re: AFIC physically threaten female lawyer Reply #6 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 11:23am Are you saying this sort of thing is normal Gandalf? If Muslims do consider this normal, why would we expect anything different from whatever replacement organisation is put in place?
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Reply #7 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 11:28am

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 11:23am:

Are you saying this sort of thing is normal Gandalf?

LOL of course it is FD. Have you discovered the catholic church yet?

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 11:23am:

If Muslims do consider this normal, why would we expect anything different from whatever replacement organisation is put in place?

You shouldn't. Which is why all the affected schools are, as we speak, attempting to break all ties with AFIC and set up their own local bodies free of any external "Islamic" bodies. Its not so easy though, as for one thing the school grounds are owned by AFIC.

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You shouldn't. Which is why all the affected schools are, as we speak, attempting to break all ties with AFIC and set up their own local bodies free of any external "Islamic" bodies. Its not so easy though, as for one thing the school grounds are owned by AFIC.

I think you'll find the only reason they are attempting to break ties with AFIC is that the government has made this a condition of any further funding. With even self declared progressive Muslims like you insisting this is normal, it's hard to interpret it as a sign they want to prevent this happening again under a different brand - beyond the unfortunate "getting caught" aspect.

Why are Muslims ignoring what to me seems like a more fundamental issue here - religious institutions being treated as businesses? And before you blurt out 'Catholic Church' I don't see any catholic schools on the chopping block or catholics insisting it is normal for the church to be indistinguishable from a business and for religious leaders to be so transparently out to line their own pockets.

Is it something to do with the fundamental Islamic rejection of the concept of separation of church and state? If Muhammed used Islam to build an empire, it is a bit hard for Muslims, even you, to criticise today's Muslims for using it to turn a profit and build a business empire.

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Reply #9 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 12:27pm

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

I think you'll find the only reason they are attempting to break ties with AFIC is that the government has made this a condition of any further funding. With even self declared progressive Muslims like you insisting this is normal, it's hard to interpret it as a sign they want to prevent this happening again under a different brand

What an absurd thing to say - that parents and friends of students are not interested in whether or not they get screwed over again and threatened with school shutdown. Do you think we enjoy not knowing whether our kids will have a school in two weeks, and madly trying to run around looking for another school they can go to? And you you seriously think we are not pissed off with the people who are responsible - just because we acknowledge the bleeding obvious - that organised religions invariably act like businesses.

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 11:46am:

Why are Muslims ignoring what to me seems like a more fundamental issue here - religious institutions being treated as businesses? And before you blurt out 'Catholic Church' I don't see any catholic schools on the chopping block or catholics insisting it is normal for the church to be indistinguishable from a business and for religious leaders to be so transparently out to line their own pockets.

Who says they are ignoring it? The greed and corruption of AFIC has been front and centre of the affected muslim's grievances. Trust me, I'm one of them. But the simple fact of the matter is that it is normal for religious organisations to run themselves like a business. And this is not unreasonable as religious entities do need to create their own wealth to support all the institutions that they run. You can say they shouldn't be for profit, but the reality is its impractical not to, and they need a business mindset to survive. And I will blurt out catholic church, because this issue is front and centre with them too. George Pell is known to have run a very sophisticated and well organised protection racket for pedophiles that includes putting quasi-legal structures in place to ensure victims are not fairly compensated, and to compel them to not take legal action against them. I don't see how this is any worse that what AFIC is doing - both are ultimately a product of protecting business interests over the interests of their flock - and both are equally reprehensible.

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Reply #10 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 1:13pm

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What an absurd thing to say - that parents and friends of students are not interested in whether or not they get screwed over again and threatened with school shutdown.

School shutdown - bad

Muslim institutions acting as businesses - oh that's normal. Catholic Church. Pedophiles. Alien abductions.

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Do you think we enjoy not knowing whether our kids will have a school in two weeks, and madly trying to run around looking for another school they can go to?

I think the fact it was allowed to get so bad reflects a more fundamental problem, but the response amounts to little more than complaining about getting caught.

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And you you seriously think we are not pissed off with the people who are responsible - just because we acknowledge the bleeding obvious - that organised religions invariably act like businesses.

Muslim ones certainly do, but I consider this far from inevitable for normal religious institutions.

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You can say they shouldn't be for profit, but the reality is its impractical not to

Running on a not-for-profit basis is considered by most people as a fundamental pre-requisite for any charity, social or religious institution. Even sporting clubs are expected to do this. I am a member of one with significant spare funds that survive through disagreement and change of executive without anyone raiding the kitty or deciding the funds should go to anything other than the sport they represent. Having such institutions is an important part of civilised society.

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and they need a business mindset to survive

Crap. You don't have to be a good businessman to not raid the kitty. You just have to be honest (I know, you cannot possibly expect this from Muslim leaders, and scratch your head that others would be so naive....). It was the "business mindset" that is now destroying the AFIC (I hope), and up to 6 schools.

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I don't see how this is any worse that what AFIC is doing

I did not claim it is, but a profit seeking mindset is not the fundamental cause of the pedophilia problems facing the church, or even the church's handing of the matter, and you have demonstrated some interesting mental gymnastics to make the link.

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Reply #11 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 1:45pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 11:20am:

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

How is the rest of the Australian Muslim community treating AFIC? Do they share your view that it is normal to confuse religious organisations with businesses?

The muslim community is rightly outraged at AFIC.

WHo knew?!?

They are outraged but they still send their kids to the corrupt and fraudulent schools.

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Reply #12 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 2:20pm

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 1:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 11:20am:

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

How is the rest of the Australian Muslim community treating AFIC? Do they share your view that it is normal to confuse religious organisations with businesses?

The muslim community is rightly outraged at AFIC.

WHo knew?!?

They are outraged but they still send their kids to the corrupt and fraudulent schools.

And not a bit out outrage over this, Those rascally widdle wahabists.

Extremist elements

Majzoub was an imam who taught Islamic Studies at Unity Grammar in south-west Sydney, "a really positive role model" popular with students, according to principal Walid Ali.

O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends," instructs a Koranic quotation on Mustapha Majzoub's Facebook tribute page.

However, Saudi money continues to pay for scholarships to train Australian teachers of Islam in Saudi Arabia and Saudi students in Australia, grants to build mosques, subsidies for imams' salaries and Arabic media,

http://www.smh.com.au/good-weekend/the-controversies-raging-inside-our-islamic-s...

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Reply #13 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 6:27pm

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 1:13pm:

I did not claim it is, but a profit seeking mindset is not the fundamental cause of the pedophilia problems facing the church, or even the church's handing of the matter, and you have demonstrated some interesting mental gymnastics to make the link.

The only mental gymnastics going on here is in making the case that the church's handling of pedophilia had nothing to do with concern for church profits.

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Reply #14 - Mar 12^th, 2016 at 6:28pm

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 1:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 11:20am:

freediver wrote on Mar 12^th, 2016 at 7:45am:

How is the rest of the Australian Muslim community treating AFIC? Do they share your view that it is normal to confuse religious organisations with businesses?

The muslim community is rightly outraged at AFIC.

WHo knew?!?

They are outraged but they still send their kids to the corrupt and fraudulent schools.

The schools are not corrupt, they are victims of corruption.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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