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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96218 Gender:	Re: AFIC physically threaten female lawyer Reply #60 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 9:00am FD, when you're caught out, do you ever admit you're wrong? I'm curious. I'd love your answer.
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Reply #61 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 10:26am

No answer - of course. It seems like a worthy question to me, given the 2007 FD morphed seamlessly into the current FD with a whole new set of values and rhetorical practices to match.

And during this transition, a fastidious cover-up of any mistakes and a complete unwillingness to honestly discuss a personal point of view. You know, "spin".

Admitting mistakes actually makes you more believable. It shows you have integrity. It shows that you're interested in the truth as opposed to the narcissistic project of ego worship.

You don't need to admit mistakes to make others aware of them. We can all spot a cover-up, a retreat, an evasion and piles of excuses. I've never really understood this - wouldn't it be easier to just own up to a mistake and move on? Not only does it show you're interested in the truth, it saves pages of tapdancing that make you look even worse.

More importantly, however, acknowledging your own mistakes help to refine your own worldview, but this is an existential question. Are we here to learn and adapt our thinking, or are we here to promote propaganda?

Questions questions.

And, of course, no answer.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 47161 Gender:	Re: AFIC physically threaten female lawyer Reply #62 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 6:45pm Why are Muslims migrating to non-Muslim countries in such large numbers? We don't see non-Muslims migrating to Muslim countries at a similar rate? What's wrong with Muslim countries?
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Reply #63 - Mar 21^st, 2016 at 7:20pm

Frank wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Why are Muslims migrating to non-Muslim countries in such large numbers? We don't see non-Muslims migrating to Muslim countries at a similar rate?

What's wrong with Muslim countries?

What do you mean by Muslim countries, Frank? Countries with Muslims, or Muslim laws and forms of government?

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Reply #64 - Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 6:53am

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 8:13am:

Where have I seen this "hive mind and all conspiring together" thing before Gandalf? Was it less offensive when you said it?

Ah that would be the time I specifically wasn't talking about any religious/ethnic group, and instead made a point about *ALL* tribes during that time and place - jewish, muslim and pagan. You then projected on to me offensive racial slurs like "scheming jews" to really take the moral high ground. A bit like how I made a point about the tendency of all religions to become "business like" when they become big national and trans-national organisations - and you somehow interpreted that as a point about the specific characteristics about muslims.

Seems to be a bit of a disturbing tendency of yours FD - to reflexively jump to offensive racial caricatures either to expose your own racism or as cheap strawman attacks against others.

Would you agree that the phrase "grinning muslims" is highly offensive and, dare I say it, "racist"- like you clearly think "scheming jews" is?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49231 At my desk.	Re: AFIC physically threaten female lawyer Reply #65 - Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 8:29am So tell us about these Muslim tribes Gandalf. Quote: No doubt you will retort by saying it was me who came up with the idea that this behaviour is normal and inevitable. Is that incorrect?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: AFIC physically threaten female lawyer Reply #66 - Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 8:43am This is FD at his finest - asking me a question that was answered in the very same passage that he quotes. This usually means FD has completely given up on attempting to make a coherent argument.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49231 At my desk.	Re: AFIC physically threaten female lawyer Reply #67 - Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 8:51am Can you tell us about these Muslim tribes with hive minds Gandalf? Why did it not occur to you to make the distinction between big and small Islamic organisations when I previously used examples of small organisations to counter your 'inevitable corruption' narrative? Did you only just come up with it?
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Reply #68 - Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 11:11am

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 8:51am:

Can you tell us about these Muslim tribes with hive minds Gandalf?

Why did it not occur to you to make the distinction between big and small Islamic organisations when I previously used examples of small organisations to counter your 'inevitable corruption' narrative? Did you only just come up with it?

How many questions will you ask to cover up your porkies? Do you think this makes you look more credible?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

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Reply #69 - Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 2:35pm

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 8:51am:

Why did it not occur to you to make the distinction between big and small Islamic organisations when I previously used examples of small organisations to counter your 'inevitable corruption' narrative?

Remind me again, what examples of small organisations did you use?

Also I never had a "inevitable corruption narrative" - thats your invention. The only thing I said was "inevitable" was for big, organised religion to run their institutions in a business like manner - where invariably profits are prioritised over the welfare of their flock. We saw it with how the catholic church ran a protection racket for pedophiles and threatened victims with legal action if they pursued compensation, and we are seeing it with how AFIC runs their schools.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: AFIC physically threaten female lawyer Reply #70 - Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 2:38pm This is what many Muslims think- there is no sin in ripping off the kaffir.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49231 At my desk.	Re: AFIC physically threaten female lawyer Reply #71 - Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 3:12pm I put forward a sporting club that I am a member of.
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Reply #72 - Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 4:58pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 7:20pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Why are Muslims migrating to non-Muslim countries in such large numbers? We don't see non-Muslims migrating to Muslim countries at a similar rate?

What's wrong with Muslim countries?

What do you mean by Muslim countries, Frank? Countries with Muslims, or Muslim laws and forms of government?

I mean countries that are characterised by having lots of Muslims and very often only Muslims and so the laws and customs are based on Muslim and Islamic laws and customs and history and all the rest of what gives a country its demographic characteristics.
Or perhaps I could have said that countries that identify themselves as Muslim by being members of some international Muslim organisation like the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation.

Is there some other way to identify Muslim countries? How do you identify a country whether it's Muslim or secular or Christian or Jewish or Buddhist or Taoist or something else?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: AFIC physically threaten female lawyer Reply #73 - Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 6:02pm freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 3:12pm: I put forward a sporting club that I am a member of. I have no idea what you are talking about. Please provide a link to the quote.
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Reply #74 - Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 6:45pm

Frank wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 4:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 7:20pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 21^st, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Why are Muslims migrating to non-Muslim countries in such large numbers? We don't see non-Muslims migrating to Muslim countries at a similar rate?

What's wrong with Muslim countries?

What do you mean by Muslim countries, Frank? Countries with Muslims, or Muslim laws and forms of government?

I mean countries that are characterised by having lots of Muslims and very often only Muslims and so the laws and customs are based on Muslim and Islamic laws and customs and history and all the rest of what gives a country its demographic characteristics.
Or perhaps I could have said that countries that identify themselves as Muslim by being members of some international Muslim organisation like the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation.

Is there some other way to identify Muslim countries? How do you identify a country whether it's Muslim or secular or Christian or Jewish or Buddhist or Taoist or something else?

I’d say the same as you, Frank - countries with a majority of Muslims. And do you know? I’ve never heard an Indian or Philippino guest worker complain about the Muslim aspect of Dubai or Qatar or other majority Muslim countries when I’ve asked about this. Some I’ve met have lived in these countries for years.- one Indian farm worker for 20 years. I met an Indian electrician last week who was heading off to Iraq for a 3 year contract. He was daunted, but not by the religion.

People go where the work is, and that’s the way it’s been throughout most of history. If the money was good enough, I’d consider living in Saudi Arabia myself.

It would have to be pretty good though.

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