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Re: Muslims want 'peaceful coexistence' with Israel
Reply #75 - Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 7:32pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 6:00pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2016 at 3:09pm:

He means people who are currently citizens of Israel - Israelis. Even I would still call them that if I anticipated the end of the state of Israel. If he called them "stateless jews living as subjects in an Islamic state" instead, we wouldn't know who he was actually talking about. Even "ex-citizens of the no-longer existing state of Israel" would be an unnecessary convolution.

Normally someone would feel embarrassed making such absurd leaps of logic, but of course this blind jihad of yours has removed all semblance of rationality. I will however give you full marks for supreme chutzpah.

Also FD, don't you think "neighbour" is a funny way to describe a subject population? If the muslim horde overrun Israel, wipe the state off the map and force the Israelis to become second class citizens of the Islamic state - how exactly can they be "neighbours" of that Islamic state?

You have to understand the FD concept of inference. I’ve tried discussing this with FD, but he stopped talking to me.

Whatever did I say?

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Re: Muslims want 'peaceful coexistence' with Israel
Reply #76 - Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 10:33am

Gandalf, do you think the behaviour of Muslims like Falah, and the efforts of Muslims such as yourself to airbrush it will help ease the suffering of the Palestinian people? Is this some kind of joke to you? Why do you think the Palestinian people get so little sympathy from around the world, despite their desperate situation?

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Also FD, don't you think "neighbour" is a funny way to describe a subject population?

Not if they are next door. If they also happen to behave themselves, they could be considered good neighbours. And if you refrain from killing them, they could even "live as good neighbours". All this interpretation requires is that you take what Falah said at face value.

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If the muslim horde overrun Israel, wipe the state off the map and force the Israelis to become second class citizens of the Islamic state - how exactly can they be "neighbours" of that Islamic state?

Falah said notyhing at all to indicate he meant neighbouring states. He has said plenty to indicate he meant what is normally implied by the term.

Gandalf, this quote from Falah was in my opening post:

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The Balfour Zionist occupation of Jerusalem has lasted 94 years.

How does this fit in with your insistence that Falah's hostility to Israel is limited to retaking the west bank?

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Re: Muslims want 'peaceful coexistence' with Israel
Reply #77 - Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 10:47am

freediver wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 10:33am:

Falah said notyhing at all to indicate he meant neighbouring states.

Apart from the use of the words "Israeli" and "neighbours" you mean.

freediver wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 10:33am:

How does this fit in with your insistence that Falah's hostility to Israel is limited to retaking the west bank?

lol- Jerusalem is internationally recognised as occupied territory:

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While the international community regards East Jerusalem, including the entire Old City, as part of the occupied Palestinian territories, neither part, West or East Jerusalem, is recognized as part of the territory of Israel or the State of Palestine. Under the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations in 1947, Jerusalem was envisaged to become a corpus separatum administered by the United Nations. In the war of 1948, the western part of the city was occupied by forces of the nascent state of Israel, while the eastern part was occupied by Jordan. The international community largely considers the legal status of Jerusalem to derive from the partition plan, and correspondingly refuses to recognize Israeli sovereignty over the city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem#International_status

Nazi apologists - Falah and the international community alike Roll Eyes

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Muslims want 'peaceful coexistence' with Israel
Reply #78 - Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 10:55am

freediver wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 10:33am:

Why do you think the Palestinian people get so little sympathy from around the world

LOL - Come again?? Cheesy

Israel, if you haven't noticed, is an international pariah. Apart from the US and Australia and the Marshall Islands, pretty much the entire world is behind the Palestinian cause.

Actually, I doubt if I could think of any group of people who have more sympathy than the Palestinians from around the world. Missed a memo eh FD?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Muslims want 'peaceful coexistence' with Israel
Reply #79 - Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 11:11am

Do you think Falah was only talking about East Jerusalem and his support for the 1947 partition plan?

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The Crusader occuaption of jerusalem last for 99 years. The Balfour Zionist occupation of Jerusalem has lasted 94 years.

And what about these ones? Do you think Falah might be referring to the state of Israel when he talks about Jews ruling Palestine?

freediver wrote on Mar 17^th, 2016 at 7:13pm:

Gandalf, would you mind highlighting the bit where your fellow Muslim makes it "clear" he is only referring to the west bank?

falah wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 6:51pm:

The Palestinian, on the other hand, never invited the Jews to come and rule Palestine.

The Jews offer provocation after provocation. Stealing land, stealing more land, bombing civilians. The Jews were offered peace many times but their greed prevented them from ever making a peace deal.

Put simply, the Israeli Jews will never make peace because, as their rejection of every peace demonstrates, their greed is overwhelming.

falah wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 6:56pm:

Even by 1948, the Jews did not own much land in Palestine as these maps demonstrate:

falah wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 7:01pm:

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 6:25pm:

falah wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 9:16am:

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 8:19am:

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But too I believe Palestinians can exist as neighbours to us.

I wonder if Abu and Falah could reciprocate this gesture without qualifying it as temporary or some other silly attempt at deception.

I believe Israelis can live as good neighbours as soon as they get off stolen Palestinian land.

And go where?

Wherever they came from.

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Re: Muslims want 'peaceful coexistence' with Israel
Reply #80 - Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 11:40am

freediver wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 11:11am:

And what about these ones? Do you think Falah might be referring to the state of Israel when he talks about Jews ruling Palestine?

Probably.

So you argument now is that mentioning what very few people disagree was a huge injustice to the Palestinians 60+ years ago is a clear-cut case of calling for the state of Israel to be wiped off the map today? Despite stating that citizens of that same state could "live as good neighbours"?

Tell me again about all the spin going on here FD.

freediver wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 11:11am:

Do you think Falah was only talking about East Jerusalem and his support for the 1947 partition plan?

Not sure FD. Do you reckon the UN and the international community in general are hell-bent on wiping Israel off the map because they too don't recognise any of Jerusalem (east or west) as sovereign Israeli territory?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Muslims want 'peaceful coexistence' with Israel
Reply #81 - Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 12:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 11:40am:

Not sure FD. Do you reckon the UN and the international community in general are hell-bent on wiping Israel off the map because they too don't recognise any of Jerusalem (east or west) as sovereign Israeli territory?

Ah yes, the "inference" in all those UN resolutions. You've given FD his answer again, G.

Makes a difference from giving him more questions, no?

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Re: Muslims want 'peaceful coexistence' with Israel
Reply #82 - Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 12:43pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 11:40am:

freediver wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 11:11am:

And what about these ones? Do you think Falah might be referring to the state of Israel when he talks about Jews ruling Palestine?

Probably.

So you argument now is that mentioning what very few people disagree was a huge injustice to the Palestinians 60+ years ago is a clear-cut case of calling for the state of Israel to be wiped off the map today? Despite stating that citizens of that same state could "live as good neighbours"?

Tell me again about all the spin going on here FD.

Here's one from Falah:

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But too I believe Palestinians can exist as neighbours to us.

And here's another:

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I believe Israelis can live as good neighbours as soon as they get off stolen Palestinian land.

FD has quoted these as examples of Falah wanting to wipe Israel off the map.

I don't think FD's going to answer your question about spin, G.

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Re: Muslims want 'peaceful coexistence' with Israel
Reply #83 - Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 1:00pm

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Not sure FD. Do you reckon the UN and the international community in general are hell-bent on wiping Israel off the map because they too don't recognise any of Jerusalem (east or west) as sovereign Israeli territory?

I don't think they would talk about a Balfour Zionist occupation that has lasted 94 years.

Falah posted this map of Palestine:

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Even by 1948, the Jews did not own much land in Palestine as these maps demonstrate:

This was from his next post in the thread:

falah wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 7:01pm:

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 6:25pm:

falah wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 9:16am:

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 8:19am:

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But too I believe Palestinians can exist as neighbours to us.

I wonder if Abu and Falah could reciprocate this gesture without qualifying it as temporary or some other silly attempt at deception.

I believe Israelis can live as good neighbours as soon as they get off stolen Palestinian land.

And go where?

Wherever they came from.

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 6:25pm:

What about the ones who didn't steal anything or who legitimately bought their land?

If they have not committed crimes, then could keep what they owned.

Tell me Gandalf, does that map of Palestine (the only one I have seen posted by Falah) and the suggestion that Israelis go back to wherever they came from, but the ones deemed to have committed no crime be allowed to keep what they own, suggest a person who support's Israel's right to exist? How do you suppose this judgement of which Israelis have committed a crime and which ones might be allowed to keep what they own would come about, other than by the destruction of the state of Israel?

Here are some more for you:

falah wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 7:48am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 7:42am:

falah wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 7:29am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 2:49pm:

You know we Israelis has no fear of Iran.

We show no fear to fly our fighter planes to stop this nuclear program.

Israel doesnt have the guts. Iran has direct access to Israel now through their friends Iraq and Syria. Iranian soldiers are already in Syria.

Of course, you're forgetting all those Muslim non-Shi'ite states that tacitly support Israel's stand against Iran... Just like all religions, you're no more united than any other... Something converts never really come to terms with...

You think anyone in the Middle East will protect Israel? Nobody there likes the colonialists. Everyone in the middleast will be happy when the Zionists return to New York and Russia where they came from.

Falah claimed elsewhere when I pulled him up on the use of the word parasite that he did not inetned to call the Israelis parasites.

falah wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 9:45pm:

Who is the beneficiary of the relationship; the US or Israel?

Parasitism

Parasitism is a type of non mutual relationship between organisms of different species where one organism, the parasite, benefits at the expense of the other, the host.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitism

falah wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 12:49pm:

Without US backing there would be no Israel now.

falah wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 9:44pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 5^th, 2012 at 8:40pm:

Two thousand years of pogroms and victimhood and now, just when the Pallos could have a go, the Jews decide to 'protect' themselves.

Quite a protection racket the Zionists have for themselves when they can steal a whole country.

falah wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 12:01pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 10:13am:

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 12:16am:

Yes insha'allah we will be Zionists.

We will saturate the population of all non-Muslim countries until we have overrun them and herded their former inhabitants into refugee camps.

Enjoy our Zionism when it lands on your doorstep Grin

For every jew there are 100 muslims in the world.

Numbers are not enough. You need to be smart.

Ergo, Islam will never dominate.

Grin

Except for the 1000 years when islam did dominate.

The Abbassid Caliphate bigger than the Roman Empire.

Muslims only lost power when they started to leave their religion. Now their is an Islamic revival and Israel is soon to be finished.

falah wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 9:55pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 18^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

No wonder the jews give thanks every day: "Thank god we have nice people like Jan and the Arabs for enemies".

Give me a scholarly link.

The Jews are their own worst enemies. They are digging themselves into another hole, after not learning the lesson of the 1940's.

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Re: Muslims want 'peaceful coexistence' with Israel
Reply #84 - Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 1:01pm

falah wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 11:21am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 9:55am:

Bobby the fact Israel was attacked on any number of occasions (including one of their holiest times in the calendar) should probably give you an idea why they are reluctant to rely on anyone other than themselves.

What? Arabs attacked Israel? After Israelis went to all the bother of invading and occupying Arab lands, and murdering and expelling Arab civilians.

falah wrote on Mar 28^th, 2012 at 1:28pm:

Because they fought for nationalism instead of Islam. When the Islamic army marches towards Israel there will be no Israel left.

falah wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 11:21am:

The immoral Jewish financial system has been adopted by others. Although Jewish in origin, it is no longer solely in the hands of Jews.

They called the shots in WWII when they used the financial system to blackmail the British into supporting a Jewish invasion of Palestine.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Balfour_declaration_unmarked....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

But their control backfired on them when it caused Hitler's rise to power in the wake of the Weimar Republic.

Wouldn't want to bin their shoes next time their control backfires.

Do you still think Falah supports peaceful coexistence with Israel?

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Re: Muslims want 'peaceful coexistence' with Israel
Reply #85 - Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 1:23pm

FD, when Falah talks about Israelis going back to where they came from, he's talking about foreigners moving into Golan Heights - British and Amerikan orthodox Jews and Zionists who move to Israel for this very purpose.

Where does he say Israel should be wiped off the map?

Sorry if this is an offensive question. You have the right to not answer them.

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Reply #86 - Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 4:00pm

FD I'll hand it to you, after a week or two of tireless digging, you've finally come up with something slightly more incriminating. But thats hardly the point is it - I said all along that its possible falah wants Israel destroyed. All I was saying was there was no evidence of him saying that in the quotes you produced in the OP. And it was totally unreasonable of you to accuse me of sympathising with nazis etc because 'thats what muslims do' - just because I refused to jump to baseless conclusions.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21631 ACT Gender:	Re: Muslims want 'peaceful coexistence' with Israel Reply #89 - Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 4:25pm Karnal wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2016 at 4:09pm: Watch out, Redneck - you'll be put in the Wiki with G & Falah for saying Israel should be wiped off the map. Worse still I will probably get another holiday from Andrei!
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