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Question: Time for a referendum on the intake of mass Muslims?
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Reply #150 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:25am
 
ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:04am:
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The Dept. of immigration struggles with it's assessments of visa applicants. They often get them wrong.

Show this. Now run away like you normally do when challenged with your absurd statements.


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Reply #151 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:29am
 
ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:17am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:13am:
ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:04am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 9:55am:
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The Dept. of immigration struggles with it's assessments of visa applicants. They often get them wrong.

Show this. Now run away like you normally do when challenged with your absurd statements.



I spent 4 years moderating an immigration forum Ian .... there were thousands of cases each year. My wife was denied a visa because they claimed she's been thrown out of Denmark, when in fact she'd never even been to Denmark. They must have mixed up her file with someone else's (I wouldn't be surprised if it was deliberate) and once they make a decision, it's final. You don't like it cough up another $2000 to appeal or try again. There were many others who had to go through the same thing. If they can't get something simple like what country the person had visited (they had her passport with them the id iots) what hope have they got of getting the more intricate stuff right?

Not only that but they didn't even get the requirements for her visa class correct. With her next application she spent 1.5hrs telling them what THEY got wrong, and they were taking careful note of all of it. It was such a shemozzle that we even had an immigration lawyer volunteer his services for the second attempt.

Immigration Dept. is overworked and understaffed. It's a recipe for mistakes and they occur often

Its easy enough, show these thosuands of cases where the department gets it wrong each year. And guess what John, visa denials are not an example of departmental failure.



Like I said, I was moderating that forum for 4 years. There were thousands of cases annually. That forum no longer exists. You're right, a denial is not an example of getting it wrong .... however, if (and I'm estimating) in 70% of the cases on that forum, they applicant received their visa after the appeal or reapplication at $2000, then yes, it is a bloody good indication that they got it wrong the first time.
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Reply #155 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:37am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:29am:
ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:17am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:13am:
ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:04am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 9:55am:
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The Dept. of immigration struggles with it's assessments of visa applicants. They often get them wrong.

Show this. Now run away like you normally do when challenged with your absurd statements.



I spent 4 years moderating an immigration forum Ian .... there were thousands of cases each year. My wife was denied a visa because they claimed she's been thrown out of Denmark, when in fact she'd never even been to Denmark. They must have mixed up her file with someone else's (I wouldn't be surprised if it was deliberate) and once they make a decision, it's final. You don't like it cough up another $2000 to appeal or try again. There were many others who had to go through the same thing. If they can't get something simple like what country the person had visited (they had her passport with them the id iots) what hope have they got of getting the more intricate stuff right?

Not only that but they didn't even get the requirements for her visa class correct. With her next application she spent 1.5hrs telling them what THEY got wrong, and they were taking careful note of all of it. It was such a shemozzle that we even had an immigration lawyer volunteer his services for the second attempt.

Immigration Dept. is overworked and understaffed. It's a recipe for mistakes and they occur often

Its easy enough, show these thosuands of cases where the department gets it wrong each year. And guess what John, visa denials are not an example of departmental failure.



Like I said, I was moderating that forum for 4 years. There were thousands of cases annually. That forum no longer exists. You're right, a denial is not an example of getting it wrong .... however, if (and I'm estimating) in 70% of the cases on that forum, they applicant received their visa after the appeal or reapplication at $2000, then yes, it is a bloody good indication that they got it wrong the first time.



Here you go Ian ...

In 2010-11, 25% of the 5494 applications from those arriving by plane were successful after their primary application, and 43.4% of 4840 applicants who had completed both a primary application and a final review process were successful. In 2011-12, the figures for people arriving by plane were 25% of 5792 successful at first instance, and 44% of 5159 successful after both primary application and review.
http://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-australias-refugee-acceptance-rates-hig...

we're already into the thousands, and this article is only looking at asylum seekers, my comments were about ALL immigration
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Reply #156 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:49pm
 
... wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 9:20am:
Karnal wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 10:16pm:
... wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 11:27am:
Karnal wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 11:07am:
red baron wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 10:40am:
The time is yesterday for us to draw a line in the sand.

It will be too late when the Muslims are setting bombs off on our trains and CBD to say, "we had a chance to minimise our exposure to this and we didn't."

Too late when Australians are getting their limbs blown off!


The September 11 attacks were committed by Europeans on student visas, Red. How do you propose to prevent all Muslims coming to Australia? Students, tourists, short work visas, kinship and spousal visas?

How could this be done?


Geez you're pathetic. 

It could be done by getting a few of these made, at maybe $1 a pop.

https://cdn.vectorstock.com/i/composite/15,32/denied-rubber-stamp-vector-811532....



Good idea, Honky. We’ll save a fortune.

They just need to tick the little Muslim box we put on the application, right?

Problem.solved.


Yeah, wouldn't want to "miss out" on arabs of another religion.  What a huge loss that'd be.


Or Indians, or Indonesians, or Chinky Chonks. Let's ban them too, eh?

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Reply #157 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:51pm
 
ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 9:50am:
Karnal wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 9:04am:
ian wrote on Mar 25th, 2016 at 10:50pm:
Its not that difficult to profile visa applicants.


That's true, Ian. We'll just give the stamp to ASIO. They can run checks on all tourist visa applications.

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Asutralian  government  organisations routinely share information, ASIO doesnt need to be directly involved. You and others have a very simplistic view of the world.


You're right, Ian, we're quite black and white. Let's ban everyone from another country, eh?

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Reply #158 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:54pm
 
The Brussels bombers were conducted by Belgians. Europeans?

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Re: Time for a referendum on the intake of mass Muslim
Reply #159 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:55pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:37am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:29am:
ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:17am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:13am:
ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:04am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 9:55am:
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The Dept. of immigration struggles with it's assessments of visa applicants. They often get them wrong.

Show this. Now run away like you normally do when challenged with your absurd statements.



I spent 4 years moderating an immigration forum Ian .... there were thousands of cases each year. My wife was denied a visa because they claimed she's been thrown out of Denmark, when in fact she'd never even been to Denmark. They must have mixed up her file with someone else's (I wouldn't be surprised if it was deliberate) and once they make a decision, it's final. You don't like it cough up another $2000 to appeal or try again. There were many others who had to go through the same thing. If they can't get something simple like what country the person had visited (they had her passport with them the id iots) what hope have they got of getting the more intricate stuff right?

Not only that but they didn't even get the requirements for her visa class correct. With her next application she spent 1.5hrs telling them what THEY got wrong, and they were taking careful note of all of it. It was such a shemozzle that we even had an immigration lawyer volunteer his services for the second attempt.

Immigration Dept. is overworked and understaffed. It's a recipe for mistakes and they occur often

Its easy enough, show these thosuands of cases where the department gets it wrong each year. And guess what John, visa denials are not an example of departmental failure.



Like I said, I was moderating that forum for 4 years. There were thousands of cases annually. That forum no longer exists. You're right, a denial is not an example of getting it wrong .... however, if (and I'm estimating) in 70% of the cases on that forum, they applicant received their visa after the appeal or reapplication at $2000, then yes, it is a bloody good indication that they got it wrong the first time.



Here you go Ian ...

In 2010-11, 25% of the 5494 applications from those arriving by plane were successful after their primary application, and 43.4% of 4840 applicants who had completed both a primary application and a final review process were successful. In 2011-12, the figures for people arriving by plane were 25% of 5792 successful at first instance, and 44% of 5159 successful after both primary application and review.
http://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-australias-refugee-acceptance-rates-hig...

we're already into the thousands, and this article is only looking at asylum seekers, my comments were about ALL immigration
Nothing there that supports yourargument that the department got it wrong Johnny. You must be competing with greggary as to who can fail the most today.
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Reply #160 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:56pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:29am:
. however, if (and I'm estimating) in 70% of the cases on that forum, they applicant received their visa after the appeal or reapplication at $2000, then yes, it is a bloody good indication that they got it wrong the first time.
uh, no it isnt. Its an indication they got it right you dufus.
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September 11 was done mainly by Germans.

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Reply #162 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 3:11pm
 
ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:29am:
. however, if (and I'm estimating) in 70% of the cases on that forum, they applicant received their visa after the appeal or reapplication at $2000, then yes, it is a bloody good indication that they got it wrong the first time.
uh, no it isnt. Its an indication they got it right you dufus.


they got it wrong 44% of the time. What part of that do you struggle with? If they got it right the result would have been the same regardless of the appeal
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Reply #163 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 3:12pm
 
ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:55pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:37am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:29am:
ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:17am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:13am:
ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:04am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 9:55am:
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The Dept. of immigration struggles with it's assessments of visa applicants. They often get them wrong.

Show this. Now run away like you normally do when challenged with your absurd statements.



I spent 4 years moderating an immigration forum Ian .... there were thousands of cases each year. My wife was denied a visa because they claimed she's been thrown out of Denmark, when in fact she'd never even been to Denmark. They must have mixed up her file with someone else's (I wouldn't be surprised if it was deliberate) and once they make a decision, it's final. You don't like it cough up another $2000 to appeal or try again. There were many others who had to go through the same thing. If they can't get something simple like what country the person had visited (they had her passport with them the id iots) what hope have they got of getting the more intricate stuff right?

Not only that but they didn't even get the requirements for her visa class correct. With her next application she spent 1.5hrs telling them what THEY got wrong, and they were taking careful note of all of it. It was such a shemozzle that we even had an immigration lawyer volunteer his services for the second attempt.

Immigration Dept. is overworked and understaffed. It's a recipe for mistakes and they occur often

Its easy enough, show these thosuands of cases where the department gets it wrong each year. And guess what John, visa denials are not an example of departmental failure.



Like I said, I was moderating that forum for 4 years. There were thousands of cases annually. That forum no longer exists. You're right, a denial is not an example of getting it wrong .... however, if (and I'm estimating) in 70% of the cases on that forum, they applicant received their visa after the appeal or reapplication at $2000, then yes, it is a bloody good indication that they got it wrong the first time.



Here you go Ian ...

In 2010-11, 25% of the 5494 applications from those arriving by plane were successful after their primary application, and 43.4% of 4840 applicants who had completed both a primary application and a final review process were successful. In 2011-12, the figures for people arriving by plane were 25% of 5792 successful at first instance, and 44% of 5159 successful after both primary application and review.
http://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-australias-refugee-acceptance-rates-hig...

we're already into the thousands, and this article is only looking at asylum seekers, my comments were about ALL immigration
Nothing there that supports yourargument that the department got it wrong Johnny. You must be competing with greggary as to who can fail the most today.



then you should take english lessons
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Reply #164 - Mar 26th, 2016 at 3:57pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 3:11pm:
ian wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 12:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 26th, 2016 at 10:29am:
. however, if (and I'm estimating) in 70% of the cases on that forum, they applicant received their visa after the appeal or reapplication at $2000, then yes, it is a bloody good indication that they got it wrong the first time.
uh, no it isnt. Its an indication they got it right you dufus.


they got it wrong 44% of the time. What part of that do you struggle with? If they got it right the result would have been the same regardless of the appeal

uh, no John. this just shows how poorly you understand the visa application process. Getting a visa on appeal doesnt mean "they got it wrong". It means the appllcants were able to bring other determining factors to play on appeal. Is there anything you do understand?  Just wondering, because you have made yourself out to be a right clueless dimwit on this. (yet again)
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