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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136793 Gender:	Re: Peaceful Islam Reply #135 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 2:29pm freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 2:07pm: Thanks Greg. Do you think the Muslims are making these terrorists look bad? No. Do you?
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Reply #136 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 2:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

"Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015"

There you go

Greg if non-Muslims commit 15 times as many terrorist attacks, does that mean that non-Muslim terrorism is a problem that is 15 times worse?

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Reply #137 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 2:37pm

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 2:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

"Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015"

There you go

Greg if non-Muslims commit 15 times as many terrorist attacks, does that mean that non-Muslim terrorism is a problem that is 15 times worse?

Depends what you'd define as a "problem" (or "worse", for that matter).

Personally, I consider all acts of terrorism to be a problem.

Is an attack that causes death worse than a graffiti attack, or an incinerated car? Absolutely.

Why do you ask, anyway?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48858 At my desk.	Re: Peaceful Islam Reply #138 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 2:40pm I ask because you are very fond of presenting those statistics, but not so fond of presenting the examples of non-Muslim terrorism. The way you present the statistics creates an initial impression of a really big problem with terrorism from other groups - that is, Muslims making the terrorists look bad.
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Reply #139 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 2:47pm

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 2:40pm:

I ask because you are very fond of presenting those statistics, but not so fond of presenting the examples of non-Muslim terrorism. The way you present the statistics creates an initial impression of a really big problem with terrorism from other groups - that is, Muslims making the terrorists look bad.

Not sure where you've been, however, I've posted several examples.

I can keep posting them, if you wish. I'm quite fond of doing it.

Moreover, there is a really big problem with non-Muslim terrorism.

A worse problem than ISIS bombs? No, of course not. Still a problem though.

And still more instances than Islamic terrorism.

As far as Muslims making the other terrorists look bad, that's just nonsense (unless you'd like to explain it in more detail).

If anything, the "Islamic" terrorists are making the other guys look good.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48858 At my desk.	Re: Peaceful Islam Reply #140 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:03pm Do you think the statistics you posted are representative of the relative scale of the problem? It took a lot of prompting to get you to post the examples. The statistics on the other hand you post regularly.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136793 Gender:	Re: Peaceful Islam Reply #141 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:17pm freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:03pm: Do you think the statistics you posted are representative of the relative scale of the problem? Yes. Do you?
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Reply #142 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

"Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015"

The FBI under Obama, for politically correct reasons, have inflated the definition of terrorism to include anything and everything.

But Islamic terrorism is a clear and well-understood feature of all our lives. They commit atrocities in the name of Islam and against anyone who opposes their concept of Islam and the Ummah and sharia.

Islamic terrorism has one thing in common - Islam.

All other terrorism has one thing in common - they are NOT about Islam (but about a huge number of other, unrelated things).

Islam IS the problem.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136793 Gender:	Re: Peaceful Islam Reply #143 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:24pm Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:22pm: Islam IS the problem. Terrorists are the problem. Apologist.
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Peaceful Islam Reply #144 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:26pm greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:24pm: Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:22pm: Islam IS the problem. Terrorists are the problem. Yes. tree spikers.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136793 Gender:	Re: Peaceful Islam Reply #145 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:26pm ian wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:26pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:24pm: Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:22pm: Islam IS the problem. Terrorists are the problem. Yes. tree spikers. All terrorists are a problem.
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Reply #146 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

ian wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:24pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:22pm:

Islam IS the problem.

Terrorists are the problem.

Yes. tree spikers.

All terrorists are a problem.

of course. we need to be on our guard. Water balloon bombers, tree spikers, mass murderers, they are all the same.

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Reply #147 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:58pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

ian wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:24pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:22pm:

Islam IS the problem.

Terrorists are the problem.

Yes. tree spikers.

All terrorists are a problem.

They are just not spread evenly. There is far more Islamic terrorism that you would expect from a 'religion of peace'.

The evidence points to a religion of murderous intolerance that is not abating but is getting worse and worse.

Islam IS the problem. Islamic terrorism and savagery is not random. It's Islamic. Denying it will avail you nothing.

There is far too much double talk and smoke screening. Islam IS motivating violence far more than any 'religion of peace' should. Enough of the double talk.
Islam is the problem. All the terrorists readily identify Islam as their sole motivator. They are ALL shouting allahu akhbar, not 'give us a job and let us fit in'.i

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136793 Gender:	Re: Peaceful Islam Reply #148 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:07pm Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:58pm: Islam IS the problem. Terrorists are the problem. Apologist.
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Peaceful Islam Reply #149 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:09pm greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:07pm: Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:58pm: Islam IS the problem. So now a terrorists belief system doesn't count???? If it wasn't for Islam these people wouldn't have an excuse to blow s h it up. Of course Islam plays a part. Terrorists are the problem. Apologist.
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