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Reply #165 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:13am

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:07am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:58pm:

Islam IS the problem.

Terrorists are the problem.

Apologist.

So now a terrorists belief system doesn't count???? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin If it wasn't for Islam these people wouldn't have an excuse to blow s h it up. Of course Islam plays a part.

Nobody has ever said that Islam doesn't play a part.

What part does Islam play, in your opinion?

Greggy says responsibility for all actions rests with the individuals who perpetrate the act, and the underlying inspiration and their idiology should not be investigated.

For example, he solely blames the 10 year old children who were forced to kill in Cambodia, but the does not think the Khmer Rouge's ideology was actually to blame.

I can't imagine many people would hold such extreme views.

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Reply #166 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:20am

GordyL wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

Greggy says responsibility for all actions rests with the individuals who perpetrate the act, and the underlying inspiration and their idiology should not be investigated.

Incorrect.

Investigation is important, and should be encouraged.

However, using ideology as an excuse should be discouraged.

Unless, of course, you're an apologist for murderers.

Seems to be a lot of them in here, and they're all Libtards.

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Reply #167 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:38am

The Archbishop of Vienna, Christoph Cardinal Schonborn, issued a statement claiming he could confirm that Islamic State jihadists crucified 56-year-old Father Tom Uzhunnalil, an Indian Catholic priest, on Good Friday.

Father Uzhunnalil was kidnapped from a home for the elderly run by Mother Teresa’s Missionaries for Charity in Aden, Yemen on March 4. The location has been described as “the only Christian presence” in the city of Aden, where the internationally-recognized government of President Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi has established operations after the Shiite rebels knowns as Houthis took over the nation’s capital, Sanaa.

Four Indian nuns were murdered during the attack on the home by Islamic State militants, along with two staffers, a guard, and eight elderly residents.

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Reply #168 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:40am

GordyL wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:07am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:58pm:

Islam IS the problem.

Terrorists are the problem.

Apologist.

So now a terrorists belief system doesn't count???? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin If it wasn't for Islam these people wouldn't have an excuse to blow s h it up. Of course Islam plays a part.

Nobody has ever said that Islam doesn't play a part.

What part does Islam play, in your opinion?

Greggy says responsibility for all actions rests with the individuals who perpetrate the act, and the underlying inspiration and their idiology should not be investigated.

For example, he solely blames the 10 year old children who were forced to kill in Cambodia, but the does not think the Khmer Rouge's ideology was actually to blame.

I can't imagine many people would hold such extreme views.

But he also says that "Nobody has ever said that Islam doesn't play a part."

So i'd like to know what part he thinks Islam plays. It can'tr be a motivator because that apologist stuff. So what other part is there??

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Reply #169 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:44am

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:40am:

So i'd like to know what part he thinks Islam plays. It can'tr be a motivator because that apologist stuff. So what other part is there??

It motivates some of these idiots.

While I recognise the motivating factor, I don't allow the murderers to use it as an excuse.

Libtards, on the other hand, do.

Apologists.

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Reply #170 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:45am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:20am:

GordyL wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

Greggy says responsibility for all actions rests with the individuals who perpetrate the act, and the underlying inspiration and their idiology should not be investigated.

Incorrect.

Investigation is important, and should be encouraged.

However, using ideology as an excuse should be discouraged.

Unless, of course, you're an apologist for murderers.

Seems to be a lot of them in here, and they're all Libtards.

Well I'm actually an 'issue voter' who has more often than not voted Labor and Greens.

I'm not an apologist for murderers but when they can be characterized and traced back to an idiology which encourages their actions, I think it's irresponsible not to do so.

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Quantum Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3373	Re: Peaceful Islam Reply #171 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:48am greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:20am: Unless, of course, you're an apologist for murderers. Seems to be a lot of them in here, and they're all Libtards. "All libtards"... Does Ideology now play a part? You are nothing but a leaf in the wind.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136793 Gender:	Re: Peaceful Islam Reply #172 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:49am Quantum wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:48am: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:20am: Unless, of course, you're an apologist for murderers. Seems to be a lot of them in here, and they're all Libtards. "All libtards"... Yes. Disturbing, isn't it? No surprise, though.
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Reply #173 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:37pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:59pm:

You even conceded yourself that the non-Muslim terrorism tends to be on a smaller scale.

Conceded?

I've never said anything to the contrary.

You seem to be arguing with yourself.

Or, perhaps you've mistaken me for someone else.

Which is it?

So you think that the death toll from non-Muslim terrorism outnumbers the death toll from Islam inspired terrorism in line with your statistics on the number of attacks?

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Reply #174 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:42pm

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:59pm:

You even conceded yourself that the non-Muslim terrorism tends to be on a smaller scale.

Conceded?

I've never said anything to the contrary.

You seem to be arguing with yourself.

Or, perhaps you've mistaken me for someone else.

Which is it?

So you think that the death toll from non-Muslim terrorism outnumbers the death toll from Islam inspired terrorism in line with your statistics on the number of attacks?

No.

Where are you getting that from?

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Reply #175 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 4:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:44am:

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:40am:

So i'd like to know what part he thinks Islam plays. It can'tr be a motivator because that apologist stuff. So what other part is there??

It motivates some of these idiots.

While I recognise the motivating factor, I don't allow the murderers to use it as an excuse.

Libtards, on the other hand, do.

Apologists.

How is identifying their motives (which you also did) allows them to use it as an excuse??

Do you understand the concept of motivation?

Someone kills another for money. He is motivated by greed. Does he say, "Excuse me, I did it for greed, so it's not my fault"? No, of course not. Greed is not his excuse, it's his motivation.

Islam is not their excuse, it's the motivating reason. Nobody says, "Sorry, please excuse me, Islam made me do it."

Your wires are seriously crossed. You don't make sense because you confuse motivation with excuse.

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Reply #176 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 6:23pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:44am:

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:40am:

So i'd like to know what part he thinks Islam plays. It can'tr be a motivator because that apologist stuff. So what other part is there??

It motivates some of these idiots.

While I recognise the motivating factor, I don't allow the murderers to use it as an excuse.

Show us where they used it as an excuse. Or are you now going to confuse excuse with justification?

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Reply #177 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 6:26pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:49am:

Quantum wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:48am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:20am:

Unless, of course, you're an apologist for murderers.

Seems to be a lot of them in here, and they're all Libtards.

"All libtards"...

Yes.

Disturbing, isn't it?

No surprise, though.

It looks like you only care about the reaction to Islam by your political opponents, "libtards".

You use everything - death tolls, excuses, justification, motives, everything - just to mouth off about "libtards".
I can see now why you identify as a 13 year old male.

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Reply #178 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 7:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:42pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:59pm:

You even conceded yourself that the non-Muslim terrorism tends to be on a smaller scale.

Conceded?

I've never said anything to the contrary.

You seem to be arguing with yourself.

Or, perhaps you've mistaken me for someone else.

Which is it?

So you think that the death toll from non-Muslim terrorism outnumbers the death toll from Islam inspired terrorism in line with your statistics on the number of attacks?

No.

Where are you getting that from?

I am getting it by trying to make sense of the bullshit you are posting.

If the relative death toll from Islamic terrorism is greater than what is suggested by your statistics, does that not mean that your statistics do not capture the relative scale of the problem? I realise I am stating the bleeding obvious here, but it is necessary to make sense of your waffle.

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Peaceful Islam Reply #179 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 9:31pm Peaceful Islam? Where? Pakistan, Kashmir, Syria, Indonesia, Philippines, Afghan, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Kenya, etc etc. Yeah, it brings peace and joy to everyone. Stick your bum in the air and bow to Mecca, but be careful you don't get your arse shot off.
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