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Re: Peaceful Islam
Reply #45 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:44am

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:40am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

"Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015"

There you go

Muslims are around 1% of the population in the USA yet they have racked up more dead bodies than all the other graffiti artists/terrorists in the USA.

Pakistan is 98% muslim they have over 35,000 dead from Islamic terror since 9/11 they also top the list with honour killings.

The evidence has proven the point, beyond all doubt.

Now, you change the subject.

Not a good look.

Admit defeat like a man, and walk away with dignity.

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Reply #46 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:49am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:40am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

"Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015"

There you go

Muslims are around 1% of the population in the USA yet they have racked up more dead bodies than all the other graffiti artists/terrorists in the USA.

Pakistan is 98% muslim they have over 35,000 dead from Islamic terror since 9/11 they also top the list with honour killings.

The evidence has proven the point, beyond all doubt.

Now, you change the subject.

Not a good look.

Admit defeat like a man, and walk away with dignity.

The FBI includes graffiti attacks with no deaths as terrorism, we have already gone over that numerous times in this forum.
Muslims are around 1% in the USA.

Pakistan is 98% muslim with over 35,000 killed by Islamic terror since 9/11.

You are the only poster here with no dignity or intelligence little pecca, we know you cannot walk away because you have no life outside of this forum which you infect 24/7.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #47 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:00am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 9:41am:

freediver wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 7:42am:

Thanks Greg, but we need examples.

Knock yourself out.

Examples

From the list of terrorist incidents on the last page of the report quoted in the link:

" .... 2/25/1999 Monmouth, OR Arson Earth Liberation Front
12/31/1999 East Lansing, MI Arson Earth Liberation Front
1/3/2000 Petaluma, CA Incendiary Attack Animal Liberation Front
1/15/2000 Petaluma, CA Incendiary Attack Animal Liberation Front
1/22/2000 Bloomington, IN Arson Earth Liberation Front
5/7/2000 Olympia, WA Arson Revenge of the Trees
7/2/2000 North Vernon, IN Arson Animal Liberation Front
7/20/2000 Rhinelander, WI Vandalism Earth Liberation Front
12/1/2000 Phoenix, AZ Multiple Arsons Mark Warren Sands
12/9-30/00 Suffolk County, Long Island, NY
Multiple Arsons Earth Liberation Front
1/2/2001 Glendale, OR Arson Earth Liberation Front
2/20/2001 Visalia, CA Arson Earth Liberation Front
3/9/2001 Culpeper, VA Tree Spiking Earth Liberation Front
3/30/2001 Eugene, OR Arson Earth Liberation Front
4/15/2001 Portland, OR Arson Earth Liberation Front
5/17/2001 Harrisburg, PA Bank Robbery Clayton Lee Waagner
5/21/2001 Seattle, WA Arson Earth Liberation Front
5/21/2001 Clatskanie, OR Arson Earth Liberation Front
7/24/2001 Stateline, NV Destruction of Property Earth Liberation Front .... "

IMOHO, tree spiking by the Earth Liberation Front hardly warrants the description of 'terrorism'. Further breakdown of the figures given also lists a terrorist act by a group called Revenge of the Trees, who committed arson. There were also quite a number of bombings by politically motivated groups whose origins lie outside the USA.

From the link, from 1980 t0 2005, there were 3,178 killed and 14,038 wounded.

Disturbing figures, until we hit 9/11/2001 - remember that?

2,972 killed and est. 12,000 wounded.

Domestic terrorism in the USA, indeed. Grin

What would one find if one Googled the list of atrocities attributed to Islam in the same period? Even in just one Middle-Eastern Islamic nation? Does beheading even count as an act of terrorism when we look at Saudi-Arabia? Or is that considered justice - like throwing people off buildings?

So, greggery, you've given an example.

Well done!

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Reply #48 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:26am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:30am:

ian wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:24am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:15am:

ian wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:14am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

"Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015"

There you go

Miniscule? And yet terror attacks by Muslims are responsible for the vast majority of deaths and mutilations amongst all attacks. 1 terror attack committed by Muslims itself alone eclipsed the total death toll for all other terror attacks in the US in the preceding century.Muslims are extraordinarily successful at killing and maiming, a point you have just highlighted.

Changing the subject after being presented with the evidence that was requested.

Ah.

Keep back pedalling. Its quite obvious some guy with a pen knife randomly attacking someone because they wear a turban while off his meds is comparable to the hijacking of planes and flying them into the twin towers killing thousands of people.

You have been given the evidence that proves the point, and now you change the subject.

Not a good look, ian.

Im sorry, i forgot about the terrorist acts of tree spiking. The horror, the horror.

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Reply #49 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:35am

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 9:41am:

freediver wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 7:42am:

Thanks Greg, but we need examples.

Knock yourself out.

Examples

From the list of terrorist incidents on the last page of the report quoted in the link:

" .... 2/25/1999 Monmouth, OR Arson Earth Liberation Front
12/31/1999 East Lansing, MI Arson Earth Liberation Front
1/3/2000 Petaluma, CA Incendiary Attack Animal Liberation Front
1/15/2000 Petaluma, CA Incendiary Attack Animal Liberation Front
1/22/2000 Bloomington, IN Arson Earth Liberation Front
5/7/2000 Olympia, WA Arson Revenge of the Trees
7/2/2000 North Vernon, IN Arson Animal Liberation Front
7/20/2000 Rhinelander, WI Vandalism Earth Liberation Front
12/1/2000 Phoenix, AZ Multiple Arsons Mark Warren Sands
12/9-30/00 Suffolk County, Long Island, NY
Multiple Arsons Earth Liberation Front
1/2/2001 Glendale, OR Arson Earth Liberation Front
2/20/2001 Visalia, CA Arson Earth Liberation Front
3/9/2001 Culpeper, VA Tree Spiking Earth Liberation Front
3/30/2001 Eugene, OR Arson Earth Liberation Front
4/15/2001 Portland, OR Arson Earth Liberation Front
5/17/2001 Harrisburg, PA Bank Robbery Clayton Lee Waagner
5/21/2001 Seattle, WA Arson Earth Liberation Front
5/21/2001 Clatskanie, OR Arson Earth Liberation Front
7/24/2001 Stateline, NV Destruction of Property Earth Liberation Front .... "

IMOHO, tree spiking by the Earth Liberation Front hardly warrants the description of 'terrorism'. Further breakdown of the figures given also lists a terrorist act by a group called Revenge of the Trees, who committed arson. There were also quite a number of bombings by politically motivated groups whose origins lie outside the USA.

From the link, from 1980 t0 2005, there were 3,178 killed and 14,038 wounded.

Disturbing figures, until we hit 9/11/2001 - remember that?

2,972 killed and est. 12,000 wounded.

Domestic terrorism in the USA, indeed. Grin

What would one find if one Googled the list of atrocities attributed to Islam in the same period? Even in just one Middle-Eastern Islamic nation? Does beheading even count as an act of terrorism when we look at Saudi-Arabia? Or is that considered justice - like throwing people off buildings?

So, greggery, you've given an example.

Well done!

The LNP Baird govt in NSW has declared towns people & farmers protesting against coal mines & CSG as terrorists.

Just about sums up the misuse of terminology by idiot politicians.

Islamaphobia is another misused weasel word used by weasels.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 136695 Gender:	Re: Peaceful Islam Reply #50 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:54am Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:00am: So, greggery, you've given an example. Well done! Thank you. Yes, I gave many, and they have proven the point beyond all reasonable doubt.
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Reply #51 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:56am

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:44am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 10:40am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

"Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015"

There you go

Muslims are around 1% of the population in the USA yet they have racked up more dead bodies than all the other graffiti artists/terrorists in the USA.

Pakistan is 98% muslim they have over 35,000 dead from Islamic terror since 9/11 they also top the list with honour killings.

The evidence has proven the point, beyond all doubt.

Now, you change the subject.

Not a good look.

Admit defeat like a man, and walk away with dignity.

The FBI includes graffiti attacks with no deaths as terrorism.

If you have issues with that, you'll have to contact the FBI.

I don't make the rules - they do.

The point has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt. You're just trying to save face now, but you're not doing a very good job.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Peaceful Islam Reply #52 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:12pm Lol at greggarys massive fail and humiliation here.
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Reply #53 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:19pm

ian wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

Lol at greggarys massive fail and humiliation here.

The point has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt, with the many examples cited from the FBI.

The only failure here comes from those who don't understand what terrorism is, and those who then try to cover up their embarrassment by changing the subject.

Thankfully, we all see through those pathetic ploys.

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Reply #54 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:26pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:54am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

So, greggery, you've given an example.

Well done!

Thank you.

Yes, I gave many, and they have proven the point beyond all reasonable doubt.

Very clever.

Yes, you have posted many. And the fact that you have posted them has proven your point - that of posting them - beyond all reasonable doubt.

However, greggery, that is all your links have provided.

You posted ... "Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.Jan 14, 2015 ...."

If we were to twist the figures a bit, something that I believe can be done with relative ease, we might consider the percentage of the killed and the wounded by Islam during the same period.

Here they are again:

" ... From the link, from 1980 t0 2005, there were 3,178 killed and 14,038 wounded.

Disturbing figures, until we hit 9/11/2001 - remember that?

2,972 killed and est. 12,000 wounded. ..."

Do the figures for me, clever man, and compare all those killed by, say, tree spikers as against those by Islam as a percentage.

And we've gone nowhere near Europe or the Middle East yet, because those statistics are not yet relevant to the point at hand.

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Reply #55 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:31pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:

Do the figures for me, clever man, and compare all those killed by, say, tree spikers as against those by Islam as a percentage.

The amount of total deaths was not the subject being addressed.

So, don't change the subject now that you've lost the argument.

The original point has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt, with the help of many examples cited from the FBI.

You lose, and I win.

You'll have to learn to live with it.

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Reply #56 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:19pm:

ian wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

Lol at greggarys massive fail and humiliation here.

The point has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt, with the many examples cited from the FBI.

The only failure here comes from those who don't understand what terrorism is, and those who then try to cover up their embarrassment by changing the subject.

Thankfully, we all see through those pathetic ploys.

Yes, we need to be on guard against tree spikers. They are the real threat to western civilisation. Lol.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Peaceful Islam Reply #57 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:51pm Lol. @ greggary pretending he has won the argument.
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Reply #58 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:51pm

ian wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:19pm:

ian wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:12pm:

Lol at greggarys massive fail and humiliation here.

The point has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt, with the many examples cited from the FBI.

The only failure here comes from those who don't understand what terrorism is, and those who then try to cover up their embarrassment by changing the subject.

Thankfully, we all see through those pathetic ploys.

Yes, we need to be on guard against tree spikers. They are the real threat to western civilisation.

I've never heard anyone make that claim before.

What is about them that concerns you, ian?

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Reply #59 - Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:55pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:31pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 26^th, 2016 at 12:26pm:

Do the figures for me, clever man, and compare all those killed by, say, tree spikers as against those by Islam as a percentage.

The amount of total deaths was not the subject being addressed.

So, don't change the subject now that you've lost the argument.

The original point has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt, with the help of many examples cited from the FBI.

You lose, and I win.

You'll have to learn to live with it.

And you are the arbiter here? Grin

Cleverer still.

I have to assume the original point was : "Are All Terrorists Muslims? It’s Not Even Close." I have to assume that because that was the first link you provided. And written by Dean Oebidallah, no less.

If I have failed to address the subject, please indulge me by reintroducing the subject matter.

Somewhere, somehow, the subject seems to lost objectivity.

Now what was your point, specifically, that you to which were referring?

" ... The evidence has proven the point, beyond all doubt.

Now, you change the subject.

Not a good look.

Admit defeat like a man, and walk away with dignity. ... "

Show me that card trick again?

The point has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt?

Really?

I win, you lose!

Cool

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