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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #120 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 3:07pm Quote: It does if they are obeying the commands of God, the teachings of Jesus, the verses in the Bible (they are the highest grade of Christians). Why are you afraid of mentioning the N.T.?
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Reply #121 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 3:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 2:42pm:

Sir James wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 4:05am:

Just because someone does something and says that they are a christian does NOT make it Christianity.

It does if they are obeying the commands of God, the teachings of Jesus, the verses in the Bible (they are the highest grade of Christians).

Yes, Moses has been referred to these quotes - Old Testament quotes on everything from cutting out the tongues of nagging women to burning them to death for adultery.

If Moses ever read Yadda's New Testament quotes, he'd see a Karmic Christian's perspective on banning, killing and nuking Moslems. According to Yadda, hating the Muselman is our Christian duty.

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Reply #122 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 4:01pm

Ah the disingenuous attempts by the apologists for muslims.

As far as I can make out the O.T. quotes come from ancient Mosaic/ Judaic law.

Again as far as I know, these antiquated laws were superseded by the teachings of the N.T. E.G.:

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Seems pretty clear to anyone that is prepared to be a bit honest, that the O.T. laws are long gone and have no relevance to Christianity

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Reply #123 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 6:30pm

Islam basically re-introduced the worst parts of the old testament, and gave them a strongly political and military aspect, just to let the infidels know who is boss.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 11:19am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2016 at 7:26pm:

Am I right that you are criticising things I do not say again?

Absolutely FD.

Just out of curiosity, when was the last time you criticised proposals to strip muslims of their freedoms? Do you remember?

No. You are the one keeping tabs Gandalf, not me. Are you referring to any proposals in particular? If you are talking about the "right" to dual citizenship, I am actually OK with that one. The last one I recall was when there was a call to ban the burqa here in Australia and in some European countries.

Should I be reminding people of these on a regular basis out of some warped sense of "fairness"?

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Reply #124 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:26pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 3:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 2:42pm:

Sir James wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 4:05am:

Just because someone does something and says that they are a christian does NOT make it Christianity.

It does if they are obeying the commands of God, the teachings of Jesus, the verses in the Bible (they are the highest grade of Christians).

Yes, Moses has been referred to these quotes -

........Old Testament quotes on everything from cutting out the tongues of nagging women to burning them to death for adultery.

Karnal,

I call, bull shyte and lies.

Please cite the scripture, .....O.T. or N.T. for such biblical/Christian punishments.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #125 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 8:24pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 3:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 2:42pm:

Sir James wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 4:05am:

Just because someone does something and says that they are a christian does NOT make it Christianity.

It does if they are obeying the commands of God, the teachings of Jesus, the verses in the Bible (they are the highest grade of Christians).

Yes, Moses has been referred to these quotes -

........Old Testament quotes on everything from cutting out the tongues of nagging women to burning them to death for adultery.

Karnal,

I call, bull shyte and lies.

Please cite the scripture, .....O.T. or N.T. for such biblical/Christian punishments.

Sure, Y. I’ll give you the opportunity tonight to read your Bible and provide quotes. I’ll post tomorrow.

If you don’t find those quotes, will you agree to give up your day job as a Biblical scholar?

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Reply #126 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 8:28pm

moses wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 4:01pm:

Ah the disingenuous attempts by the apologists for muslims.

As far as I can make out the O.T. quotes come from ancient Mosaic/ Judaic law.

Again as far as I know, these antiquated laws were superseded by the teachings of the N.T. E.G.:

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Seems pretty clear to anyone that is prepared to be a bit honest, that the O.T. laws are long gone and have no relevance to Christianity

Good quotes, Moses. I like them. I agree.

But you’ve finally met a Christian who disagrees with the NT. Yes, Yadda is what he calls an.OT man. The parts in the Bible on love and forgiveness, for example, seem to have escaped him.

Y admits he’s a little unconventional this way.

He’ll give you the dictionary definition if you like.

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Reply #127 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 9:05pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 9:40pm:

Would you like me to list the Christian terrorist groups? I'm getting kinda sick of doing it but if you can't google for yourself i suppose i'll have to do it.

Again.

Yes, why not list the Christian terrorist organisations active in the West or in Muslim countries.

Don't bother with the Africans. List the relevant ones.

Why, Frank? What's the difference with an African country? Are you suggesting civil war might have something to do with it?

What's the difference between a European and an African country?

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Reply #128 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 9:11pm

Frank wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 9:40pm:

Would you like me to list the Christian terrorist groups? I'm getting kinda sick of doing it but if you can't google for yourself i suppose i'll have to do it.

Again.

Yes, why not list the Christian terrorist organisations active in the West or in Muslim countries.

Don't bother with the Africans. List the relevant ones.

Why, Frank? What's the difference with an African country? Are you suggesting civil war might have something to do with it?

What's the difference between a European and an African country?

Yes. That’s what I asked.

Do they have a different version of Christianity in Africa?

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Reply #129 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 10:45pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 8:24pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 3:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 2:42pm:

Sir James wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 4:05am:

Just because someone does something and says that they are a christian does NOT make it Christianity.

It does if they are obeying the commands of God, the teachings of Jesus, the verses in the Bible (they are the highest grade of Christians).

Yes, Moses has been referred to these quotes -

........Old Testament quotes on everything from cutting out the tongues of nagging women to burning them to death for adultery.

Karnal,

I call, bull shyte and lies.

Please cite the scripture, .....O.T. or N.T. for such biblical/Christian punishments.

Sure, Y. I’ll give you the opportunity tonight to read your Bible and provide quotes. I’ll post tomorrow.

If you don’t find those quotes, will you agree to give up your day job as a Biblical scholar?

Karnal,

You are a deceitful fraud and slanderer.

Karnal,

Prove me wrong.

All you need to do, is to prove that the claims, which you made on this public forum [cited above] are true.

I'm not holding my breath.

People like you have no shame [in publishing lies], and so, have no credibility.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95204 Gender:	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #130 - Apr 5^th, 2016 at 12:03am No worries, Y. I will. Are you saying I’ve got the word order wrong, or I’ve mixed up burning with stoning.- or cutting out tongues for cutting out flesh? I.e, are you disagreeing over the wording or the legal technicalities? Please explain.
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Reply #131 - Apr 5^th, 2016 at 12:50am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 2:21pm:

Sir James wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 4:05am:

Just because someone does something and says that they are a christian does NOT make it Christianity.

Just because someone does something and says that they are a Muslim does NOT make it Islam.

If Islam tells its adherents to commit the terrorist act in its doctrine it does potato.

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matty = muslim with a mat collection, invented by the intellectual giants with an IQ of 81 or below. Yeah its such a gotcha , I know. Roll Eyes

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Reply #132 - Apr 5^th, 2016 at 12:54am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 2:42pm:

Sir James wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 4:05am:

Just because someone does something and says that they are a christian does NOT make it Christianity.

It does if they are obeying the commands of God, the teachings of Jesus, the verses in the Bible (they are the highest grade of Christians).

Of course Christians follow Jesus Christ, He never taught such terrorist acts like the qur'an and mohammed do.

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matty = muslim with a mat collection, invented by the intellectual giants with an IQ of 81 or below. Yeah its such a gotcha , I know. Roll Eyes

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Reply #133 - Apr 5^th, 2016 at 12:59am

Karnal wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 3:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 2:42pm:

Sir James wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 4:05am:

Just because someone does something and says that they are a christian does NOT make it Christianity.

It does if they are obeying the commands of God, the teachings of Jesus, the verses in the Bible (they are the highest grade of Christians).

Yes, Moses has been referred to these quotes - Old Testament quotes on everything from cutting out the tongues of nagging women to burning them to death for adultery.

If Moses ever read Yadda's New Testament quotes, he'd see a Karmic Christian's perspective on banning, killing and nuking Moslems. According to Yadda, hating the Muselman is our Christian duty.

Incorrect, again.

As far as hate goes Christians hate evil and that's fine. Islam is a false religion spawned by Satan and clearly evil. Christians don't hate the muselman they hate the false religion leading people to eternal damnation. Satan laughs at muslims. Christians want them all to be saved and have eternal life and live in peace.

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matty = muslim with a mat collection, invented by the intellectual giants with an IQ of 81 or below. Yeah its such a gotcha , I know. Roll Eyes

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Reply #134 - Apr 5^th, 2016 at 1:04am

Yadda wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 10:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 8:24pm:

Yadda wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 3:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 2:42pm:

Sir James wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 4:05am:

Just because someone does something and says that they are a christian does NOT make it Christianity.

It does if they are obeying the commands of God, the teachings of Jesus, the verses in the Bible (they are the highest grade of Christians).

Yes, Moses has been referred to these quotes -

........Old Testament quotes on everything from cutting out the tongues of nagging women to burning them to death for adultery.

Karnal,

I call, bull shyte and lies.

Please cite the scripture, .....O.T. or N.T. for such biblical/Christian punishments.

Sure, Y. I’ll give you the opportunity tonight to read your Bible and provide quotes. I’ll post tomorrow.

If you don’t find those quotes, will you agree to give up your day job as a Biblical scholar?

Karnal,

You are a deceitful fraud and slanderer.

Karnal,

Prove me wrong.

All you need to do, is to prove that the claims, which you made on this public forum [cited above] are true.

I'm not holding my breath.

People like you have no shame [in publishing lies], and so, have no credibility.

Funny how islam and muslims do all that though.

People that post on subjects they know nothing about are tedious indeed. One might start actually learning the fact Christians follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Prove His teachings promote the garbage terrorist acts islamic allah does and I'll buy the potato a Ferrari.

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matty = muslim with a mat collection, invented by the intellectual giants with an IQ of 81 or below. Yeah its such a gotcha , I know. Roll Eyes

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