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Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia
Reply #150 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 1:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 6:47am:

freediver wrote on Apr 5^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

In any case, I still do not see your point Gandalf. As far as I can tell you are criticising me for things I am not saying.

Essentially yes.

Its a valid criticism given how much emphasis you give on the importance of standing up for freedom (your stated motivation for setting up this board) - but then spend your whole time talking only about one particular type of threat to freedom. And not just talking about that particular threat, being so obsessed about it, keeping tabs on all the alleged lies and "apologetics" by muslims and their supporters (and then denying it), and obsessively stalking your favourite punching bags like me and greg all over the forum in order to make spiteful attacks on them. For someone who claims to be so passionate about freedom, it reeks of utter hypocrisy given a) before 2007 you seemed to think attacks on muslim freedoms were important enough to respond and counter and b) how pervasive are the attacks - and yet despite that you not only not seem to recognise it as a problem worth criticising, you even (incredibly) play dumb and pretend it doesn't happen.

If Sprint and Yadda are the worst you have to face, you should consider yourself lucky and thank Allah you are not confronted with a psychopath who receives instructions from angels to murder you and 800 of your closest male relatives to further his quest for political power - that is what non-Muslims are confronted with every time a Muslim holds up a Koran.

My participation on this forum is entirely consistent with my views on Islam.

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Reply #151 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 2:35pm

freediver wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

If Sprint and Yadda are the worst you have to face, you should consider yourself lucky and thank Allah you are not confronted with a psychopath who receives instructions from angels to murder you and 800 of your closest male relatives to further his quest for political power - that is what non-Muslims are confronted with every time a Muslim holds up a Koran.

Sorry, FD, are you saying Moslem == a follower of Islam?

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Reply #152 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:35pm

freediver wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

If Sprint and Yadda are the worst you have to face, you should consider yourself lucky and thank Allah you are not confronted with a psychopath who receives instructions from angels to murder you and 800 of your closest male relatives to further his quest for political power - that is what non-Muslims are confronted with every time a Muslim holds up a Koran.

You are mistaking me for someone who claims victim status. I have pointed out many times that I, like you, get a free pass on account of the colour of my skin. You and I will never be victims of racism. For the people who have the "wrong" skin colour however, the threat is very real - as was the case for the kebab shop owner and his wife in Scotland who were savagely beaten for what happened in Paris, and for which Sprint labelled "totally justified". It is these people who are constantly the target of intimidation and harassment, and calls for their rights to be systematically stripped. Innocent people who have nothing to do with the terrorists, have never in their lives seen the Quran as a tool of violence or oppression, and who more often than not, are themselves victims of the terrorists people like you associate them with.

Being such a passionate defender of freedom, I just thought you might recognise this as a serious threat to freedom, and worth speaking out against.

freediver wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

My participation on this forum is entirely consistent with my views on Islam

Are you saying your views on Islam trumps your views on freedom?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #153 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 4:02pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

If Sprint and Yadda are the worst you have to face, you should consider yourself lucky and thank Allah you are not confronted with a psychopath who receives instructions from angels to murder you and 800 of your closest male relatives to further his quest for political power - that is what non-Muslims are confronted with every time a Muslim holds up a Koran.

You are mistaking me for someone who claims victim status. I have pointed out many times that I, like you, get a free pass on account of the colour of my skin. You and I will never be victims of racism.

How dare you. Decent white people are victimized each and every day - largely by the Muselman.

Hating the Muselman isn't racist. Islam is not a race. This has been explained to you numerous times.

Oh, when will it ever end?

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Reply #154 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 4:38pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

If Sprint and Yadda are the worst you have to face, you should consider yourself lucky and thank Allah you are not confronted with a psychopath who receives instructions from angels to murder you and 800 of your closest male relatives to further his quest for political power - that is what non-Muslims are confronted with every time a Muslim holds up a Koran.

You are mistaking me for someone who claims victim status. I have pointed out many times that I, like you, get a free pass on account of the colour of my skin. You and I will never be victims of racism. For the people who have the "wrong" skin colour however, the threat is very real - as was the case for the kebab shop owner and his wife in Scotland who were savagely beaten for what happened in Paris, and for which Sprint labelled "totally justified". It is these people who are constantly the target of intimidation and harassment, and calls for their rights to be systematically stripped. Innocent people who have nothing to do with the terrorists, have never in their lives seen the Quran as a tool of violence or oppression, and who more often than not, are themselves victims of the terrorists people like you associate them with.

Being such a passionate defender of freedom, I just thought you might recognise this as a serious threat to freedom, and worth speaking out against.

If there was no Islamic terrorism nobody would bother kebab shop owners. Except, perhaps, if the kebab shop owner grooms and has sex with underage girls, may or may not has killed and put into his kebabs one or two of them.

Different Muslim kebab shop owners - but how do you tell the difference?

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Reply #155 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 9:11pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 9:11pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 9:40pm:

Would you like me to list the Christian terrorist groups? I'm getting kinda sick of doing it but if you can't google for yourself i suppose i'll have to do it.

Again.

Yes, why not list the Christian terrorist organisations active in the West or in Muslim countries.

Don't bother with the Africans. List the relevant ones.

Why, Frank? What's the difference with an African country? Are you suggesting civil war might have something to do with it?

What's the difference between a European and an African country?

Yes. That’s what I asked.

Do they have a different version of Christianity in Africa?

Evidently.

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Reply #156 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 9:19pm

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You are mistaking me for someone who claims victim status. I have pointed out many times that I, like you, get a free pass on account of the colour of my skin. You and I will never be victims of racism.

You are still a Muslim, and people will think less of you for that. Constantly claiming victimhood on behalf of other people is just as bad, like with your insistence that all Islamophobia is based on racism. You fuel the victimhood narrative despite also acknowledging it's destructive influence on your fellow Muslims. Has it never occurred to you that it might be something to do with Islam?

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For the people who have the "wrong" skin colour however, the threat is very real

So Yadda and Sprint are actually expressing racism?

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Innocent people who have nothing to do with the terrorists, have never in their lives seen the Quran as a tool of violence or oppression

No-one sees it as a tool of violence and oppression, merely a "different take" on freedom.

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Are you saying your views on Islam trumps your views on freedom?

I am saying that you are calling me a hypocrite because my actions are inconsistent with your views.

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Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia
Reply #157 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 9:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

If Sprint and Yadda are the worst you have to face, you should consider yourself lucky and thank Allah you are not confronted with a psychopath who receives instructions from angels to murder you and 800 of your closest male relatives to further his quest for political power - that is what non-Muslims are confronted with every time a Muslim holds up a Koran.

You are mistaking me for someone who claims victim status. I have pointed out many times that I, like you, get a free pass on account of the colour of my skin.

You are a white cultural appropriator.

Shame on you.

You are very, very lucky that you identify as Muslim and not as Mexican. You would be in BIG trouble if you put on a poncho, white boy.

But nobody dares criticise white boys who culturally appropriate the Arab Muslim.

You cultural tourist!

APPROPRIATOR!!!!

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Reply #158 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 10:09pm

Frank wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 9:11pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 9:11pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2016 at 9:40pm:

Would you like me to list the Christian terrorist groups? I'm getting kinda sick of doing it but if you can't google for yourself i suppose i'll have to do it.

Again.

Yes, why not list the Christian terrorist organisations active in the West or in Muslim countries.

Don't bother with the Africans. List the relevant ones.

Why, Frank? What's the difference with an African country? Are you suggesting civil war might have something to do with it?

What's the difference between a European and an African country?

Yes. That’s what I asked.

Do they have a different version of Christianity in Africa?

Evidently.

So why did the former Anglican archbishop of Sydney unite with the African bishops to ban the hommers?

Peter Jensen’s an awful ooga-booga, eh?

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Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia
Reply #159 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 10:11pm

freediver wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 9:19pm: