Australian Politics Forum - Not so 'moderate' Muslims

Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95218 Gender:	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #60 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 8:11pm Not many? If I may ask, would you suggest more than one?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #61 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 8:24pm The greater the stimulus, the greater the response. Salman Rushdie was a single example that made world headlines because it was so outrageous. It also made authors and publishers think twice.
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95218 Gender:	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #62 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 8:32pm Think twice? Is that what you meant by G’s fellow Muslims destroying freedom of speech? Did you think twice before publishing cartoons of Muhammed, FD? And if you don’t mind my asking, who threatened to sue you?
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Reply #63 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 9:17pm

I forget who it was. There was a thread on feedback about it.

Like I said, if I published a Muhammed cartoon that I came up with that went viral, I would have good reason to fear for my safety. Just as those people who made the dodgy internet video did. And the European cartoonists. And Rushdie. Do I need to explain this again Karnal?

Do you think I should only stand up for freedom of speech when it directly affects me?

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Reply #64 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 9:35pm

You forgot which Muselman.threatened to sue you, eh?

And when you talk of the Muselman taking our freedom away, you mean the freedom of others?

I understand, FD. Not only are you a champion of women’s rights, you also stand up for cartoonists - who self publish.

No, FD, I think you should stand up for the freedom of others, as you so selflessly do. I think you should lend your voice to the cartoonists.

Pickering needs all the help you can give, no?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #65 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 9:58pm You cannot deny other people their freedom without denying it to yourself. Do you have a problem with this concept Karnal? Does loss of freedom only matter when it directly affects how you choose to express yourself?
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95218 Gender:	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #66 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 10:29pm Sorry, FD, could you clarify if you’re saying you haven’t had any freedoms taken away, after all? Cheers.
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Reply #67 - Mar 30^th, 2016 at 9:46am

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 7:36pm:

No idea. I feel obliged to let people post them here. If I came up with my own that was good enough to go viral I think I would be putting myself in genuine danger if I published it.

Evidently you also feel obliged to let people post their demands that muslims be banned, deported, and systematically stripped of their rights.

Do you think that poses a threat to muslims, or do you just put all that in the same "necessary to attack muslims to protect our own rights" basket?

Would you ever consider that you are helping put muslims in genuine danger by turning this forum into a de-facto "ban muslims" outlet?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #68 - Mar 30^th, 2016 at 10:41am

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 9:46am:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 7:36pm:

No idea. I feel obliged to let people post them here. If I came up with my own that was good enough to go viral I think I would be putting myself in genuine danger if I published it.

Evidently you also feel obliged to let people post their demands that muslims be banned, deported, and systematically stripped of their rights.

Do you think that poses a threat to muslims, or do you just put all that in the same "necessary to attack muslims to protect our own rights" basket?

Would you ever consider that you are helping put muslims in genuine danger by turning this forum into a de-facto "ban muslims" outlet?

FD’s not talking about destroying the Freeeeeedom of Muslims, G. They can do that for themselves.

No, FD’s talking about Muslims destroying the Freeeedom of decent white people everywhere.

Apart from FD, of course.

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Reply #69 - Mar 30^th, 2016 at 10:51am

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 9:46am:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 7:36pm:

No idea. I feel obliged to let people post them here. If I came up with my own that was good enough to go viral I think I would be putting myself in genuine danger if I published it.

Evidently you also feel obliged to let people post their demands that muslims be banned, deported, and systematically stripped of their rights.

PROPOSITION;

It is not RATIONAL

.....for a society or a nation, to endow rights 1/ to criminals, 2/ nor to 3 metre Salt Water crocodiles, 3/ nor to persons who have the nature of 3 metre Salt Water crocodiles.

QUESTION;
Would a rational person, invite a 3 metre Salt Water crocodile to live in his house, to live in his lounge room, ......because he thought that a 3 metre Salt Water crocodile deserved to have a roof over his head too ???

It is absurd.

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THE HUMAN CROCODILES......

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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ISLAMIC law, and the Koran itself, repeatedly assert, that the [obedient] moslem, whenever he has the means and power to do so, will not passively permit and allow, other persons, .....to worship a God, who is not called 'Allah'.

Google;

jihad is the pinnacle of islam

Google;

we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

Google;

taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

Quote:

July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself:

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them"
(Qur'an 3:28).

In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

Google

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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia
Reply #70 - Mar 30^th, 2016 at 11:12am

Yadda wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 10:51am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 9:46am:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 7:36pm:

No idea. I feel obliged to let people post them here. If I came up with my own that was good enough to go viral I think I would be putting myself in genuine danger if I published it.

Evidently you also feel obliged to let people post their demands that muslims be banned, deported, and systematically stripped of their rights.

PROPOSITION;

It is not RATIONAL

.....for a society or a nation, to endow rights 1/ to criminals, 2/ nor to 3 metre Salt Water crocodiles, 3/ nor to persons who have the nature of 3 metre Salt Water crocodiles.

QUESTION;
Would a rational person, invite a 3 metre Salt Water crocodile to live in his house, to live in his lounge room, ......because he thought that a 3 metre Salt Water crocodile deserved to have a roof over his head too ???

It is absurd.

If you challenge my proposition,

.....that moslems have the nature of 3 metre Salt Water crocodiles, .....then i challenge you to watch what moslems say inside their religious institutions [mosques] - when they believe that they are speaking only to a moslem audience.

Watch the words coming out of their own mouths.

Watch Channel 4 [UK] Undercover Mosque
on YT

Google;

dispatches undercover mosque, channel 4, -Return

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WATCH THIS ALSO......

Hatred of Australia, AND, hatred of Australians, among the moslem community, AND, IT IS A HATRED BEING PROMOTED BY MEMBERS OF THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY, here in Australia.

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" "You're never too young to be a soldier of Kalifah."

...and [these moslem children] promise to die fighting to end Democracy in Australia"

Watch a group of moslem children, being coached by moslem adults, to hate Australia, and Australians,
......HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA. !!!!

And of course this cultural coaching of moslem children is all happening behind closed doors, and out of the public eye.

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WATCH THIS ALSO......

Watch the words coming out of their own mouths.

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Quote:

"What makes Allah happy?

Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."

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Please watch this YT...

Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims

goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95218 Gender:	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #71 - Mar 30^th, 2016 at 11:40am Looks like they haven't destroyed Y's Freeeeeedom either, FD. Moslem == a saltwater crocodile.
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Reply #72 - Mar 30^th, 2016 at 1:21pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 11:40am:

Looks like they haven't destroyed Y's Freeeeeedom either, FD.

Moslem == a saltwater crocodile.

Influenced by ISLAM's holy texts.....

Moslems = = deceitful, vicious, treacherous, ....and ultimately, deadly, ....to those who do not believe, as moslems believe.

QUESTION;

Who or what, is a moslem ???

A moslem is a follower of ISLAM. < -------- dictionary definition.

And mainstream ISLAM is a philosophy which [within its doctrines, and tenets, and laws] teaches every moslem, .....that a moslem who murders an enemy of Allah, is a good and virtuous person.

But, what or who, is 'an enemy of Allah' ???

ISLAM [in the Koran] defines anyone who is a disbeliever, as an enemy of Allah!

Seriously, ......is it any wonder that so many 'nice' people, suddenly buy an airline ticket for Turkey [i.e. Syria], or walk into a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney, or go to the local mosque to obtain a pistol, .....and then turn into homicidal maniacs ?

No, ....it isn't.

Because;

Every moslem, is a moslem.

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If you challenge my proposition,

.....that moslems have the nature of 3 metre Salt Water crocodiles, .....then i challenge you to watch what moslems say inside their religious institutions [mosques] - when they believe that they are speaking only to a moslem audience.

Watch the words coming out of their own mouths.

Watch Channel 4 [UK] Undercover Mosque
on YT

Google;

dispatches undercover mosque, channel 4, -Return

.

WATCH THIS ALSO......

Hatred of Australia, AND, hatred of Australians, among the moslem community, AND, IT IS A HATRED BEING PROMOTED BY MEMBERS OF THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY, here in Australia.

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Quote:

" "You're never too young to be a soldier of Kalifah."

...and [these moslem children] promise to die fighting to end Democracy in Australia"

Watch a group of moslem children, being coached by moslem adults, to hate Australia, and Australians,
......HERE, WITHIN AUSTRALIA. !!!!

And of course this cultural coaching of moslem children is all happening behind closed doors, and out of the public eye.

.

WATCH THIS ALSO......

Watch the words coming out of their own mouths.

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Quote:

"What makes Allah happy?

Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."

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Please watch this YT...

Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims

goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95218 Gender:	Re: Not so 'moderate' Muslims - and Western inertia Reply #73 - Mar 30^th, 2016 at 2:07pm Sorry, Y, you're right. Moslems = = deceitful, vicious, treacherous, ....and ultimately, deadly. Looks like Y's had his Freeeeedom taken away after all, FD. And who do we blame for that?
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Reply #74 - Mar 30^th, 2016 at 6:22pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 10:29pm:

Sorry, FD, could you clarify if you’re saying you haven’t had any freedoms taken away, after all?

Cheers.

Karnal you still lose your freedom to do something even if you had no intention of doing it. What you are arguing is no different to insisting we should not complain about them shipping Jews off to concentration camps unless we happen to be Jewish.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 30^th, 2016 at 9:46am:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 7:36pm:

No idea. I feel obliged to let people post them here. If I came up with my own that was good enough to go viral I think I would be putting myself in genuine danger if I published it.

Evidently you also feel obliged to let people post their demands that muslims be banned, deported, and systematically stripped of their rights.

Do you think that poses a threat to muslims, or do you just put all that in the same "necessary to attack muslims to protect our own rights" basket?

Would you ever consider that you are helping put muslims in genuine danger by turning this forum into a de-facto "ban muslims" outlet?

I also said your lunatic co-religionists should be free to express their opinions about blasphemy. You weren't complaining then, were you Gandalf?

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