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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #105 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 6:02pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 2:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:59am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:43am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 10:01am:

longie thinks that because the church used to teach those rich enough to pay them in the old days, the church invented education.

Sunday SChool was originally literally that - a school on sundays for kids who had to work 6 days a week. It was extended to adults. And all those hospitals named after saint this and saint that? All put in place and paid for by the church. most art, music and science was done in churches and church-run universities etc.

so why dont you go to church and thank them for all you have as you seem to think we should for for unions?

the hospitals weren't names after saints because of the churchs work ... they were named after saints names because of what the saint name represents.

yeah right.... the church built the hospital itself - or did you not know that? a bit like your stupid claim that churches are taxpayer funded

idiot

that's one hell of a claim, especially since you haven't specified any hospital in particular. Are you claiming every hospital with St' in the name was built by a church?

yes. I can tell you now what the chance of a govt-built hospital being named after a saint..... NONE.

that doesn't help your original argument Cheesy

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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #106 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 6:19pm

We were discussing child labour.... no country specified... and one of my links was distinctly Australian.... Lord shaftsbury was British, no? Read the link.... weep when ready...

I thank the good Lord for his work.... certainly he falls into the category of labour movement AND social care groups..... the fact remains that it was the upward movement in firstly wages, then living conditions, then working conditions.... largely as a result of Unions... that lead to more free time for children and women, and thus accelerated the change to a more egalitarian society with education for all, which in turn lead to increased healthcare, knowledge and so forth...

The epitome of this was the Single Living Wage, which essentially freed women from danger, drudgery, and even early death, and permitted them to nurture a more civilised, educated, and forward-looking set of children, as opposed to the old 'locked in the social class' values of the past. Who do you imagine fought and bought the Single Living Wage?

No boss gave better conditions from the good of his heart and pocket.... some.. well some... may have been good masters.... but the very vast majority had to be held to ransom to give up anything at all... and remember that this upward acceleration in social conditions for all lead to universal suffrage and thus greater power in society to those previously dispossessed of it.....

No one man brought all that about, Longie, no matter how fine his work and his intentions.... that argument is as good as feminists saying women 'fought' for their rights... etc... (if they did - what do you call a 'war' that only one sides comes to while forcing the other to be surprised and ambushed? A massacre...).

Hard to win this one.... oh - and St Grappler's Infirmary and Medical School are free.... a wing of Grappler University, a Free University......

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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #107 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 6:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 5:57pm:

stunspore wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 5:05pm:

Pointless to try and reason with the lib supporters. This is for the undecided folks.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/09/08/inside-the-fight-over-productivity-and...

I picked the country that the libs most want to emulate. There is no problem asking for better conditions when economic conditions improve. There is also no problem asking for better conditions when economic conditions haven't when previous EBAs did not adequately address problems on the last economic climate.

Eg. If economic conditions were 10% better and workers only got from that 2%. When the economic conditions drop to say 5%. There should have been no problems asking for more than 5% since they are still playing catch up.

In fact, every time lab government is voted in, they have to play catch up on public infrastructure (health, education, etc) which the libs have cut to call it a saving. Sorry - that is not a saving. People eating less to the point of starvation is not "saving" money. Not hiring more people or building more facilities to take into account of increased population is not saving.

so your logic is that if my business is making a bigger profit then the employees should be paid more? what about when it makes a loss? do I send them a bill?

Somehow I doubt you're the kind of bloke to see any value in the worker in the lean times

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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #108 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 6:51pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 3:07pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 3:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 2:46pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 2:44pm:

and I did say to step back and look with both eyes.....

you should take your own advice sometime

Ok, sometime...

see, you've gone and closed that eye again

.... 'wink' Wink

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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #109 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:07pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 5:57pm:

stunspore wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 5:05pm:

Pointless to try and reason with the lib supporters. This is for the undecided folks.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/09/08/inside-the-fight-over-productivity-and...

I picked the country that the libs most want to emulate. There is no problem asking for better conditions when economic conditions improve. There is also no problem asking for better conditions when economic conditions haven't when previous EBAs did not adequately address problems on the last economic climate.

Eg. If economic conditions were 10% better and workers only got from that 2%. When the economic conditions drop to say 5%. There should have been no problems asking for more than 5% since they are still playing catch up.

In fact, every time lab government is voted in, they have to play catch up on public infrastructure (health, education, etc) which the libs have cut to call it a saving. Sorry - that is not a saving. People eating less to the point of starvation is not "saving" money. Not hiring more people or building more facilities to take into account of increased population is not saving.

so your logic is that if my business is making a bigger profit then the employees should be paid more? what about when it makes a loss? do I send them a bill?

Workers have in the past negotiated lower.
This is Australia, not America. We will not end up like America with its working poor, low minimum wages, poor healthcare system, etc, etc. We will not.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined Reply #110 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:11pm stunspore wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:07pm: We will not end up like America with its working poor, low minimum wages, poor healthcare system, etc, etc. When all the small businesses are sent broke you will...
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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #111 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:21pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 6:02pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 2:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:59am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:43am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 10:01am:

longie thinks that because the church used to teach those rich enough to pay them in the old days, the church invented education.

Sunday SChool was originally literally that - a school on sundays for kids who had to work 6 days a week. It was extended to adults. And all those hospitals named after saint this and saint that? All put in place and paid for by the church. most art, music and science was done in churches and church-run universities etc.

so why dont you go to church and thank them for all you have as you seem to think we should for for unions?

the hospitals weren't names after saints because of the churchs work ... they were named after saints names because of what the saint name represents.

yeah right.... the church built the hospital itself - or did you not know that? a bit like your stupid claim that churches are taxpayer funded

idiot

that's one hell of a claim, especially since you haven't specified any hospital in particular. Are you claiming every hospital with St' in the name was built by a church?

yes. I can tell you now what the chance of a govt-built hospital being named after a saint..... NONE.

that doesn't help your original argument Cheesy

actually, it supports my argument entirely, but you are too stupid to realise that. BTW your tacit admission that I was correct is accepted.

now, tell me again how churches are taxpayer funded.

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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #112 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:22pm

stunspore wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 5:57pm:

stunspore wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 5:05pm:

Pointless to try and reason with the lib supporters. This is for the undecided folks.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/09/08/inside-the-fight-over-productivity-and...

I picked the country that the libs most want to emulate. There is no problem asking for better conditions when economic conditions improve. There is also no problem asking for better conditions when economic conditions haven't when previous EBAs did not adequately address problems on the last economic climate.

Eg. If economic conditions were 10% better and workers only got from that 2%. When the economic conditions drop to say 5%. There should have been no problems asking for more than 5% since they are still playing catch up.

In fact, every time lab government is voted in, they have to play catch up on public infrastructure (health, education, etc) which the libs have cut to call it a saving. Sorry - that is not a saving. People eating less to the point of starvation is not "saving" money. Not hiring more people or building more facilities to take into account of increased population is not saving.

so your logic is that if my business is making a bigger profit then the employees should be paid more? what about when it makes a loss? do I send them a bill?

Workers have in the past negotiated lower.
This is Australia, not America. We will not end up like America with its working poor, low minimum wages, poor healthcare system, etc, etc. We will not.

in extreme rarity. BTW the govt is 'making a loss'. why arent he PS unions offering a pay cut to save jobs?

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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #113 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:26pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:21pm:

actually, it supports my argument entirely, but you are too stupid to realise that. BTW your tacit admission that I was correct is accepted.

now, tell me again how churches are taxpayer funded.

so if your wrong, your original argument is wrong? OK ... thanks for playing

http://www.seslhd.health.nsw.gov.au/SGH/

Cheesy

and there was no admission, tacit or otherwise

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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #114 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:22pm:

stunspore wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 5:57pm:

stunspore wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 5:05pm:

Pointless to try and reason with the lib supporters. This is for the undecided folks.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/09/08/inside-the-fight-over-productivity-and...

I picked the country that the libs most want to emulate. There is no problem asking for better conditions when economic conditions improve. There is also no problem asking for better conditions when economic conditions haven't when previous EBAs did not adequately address problems on the last economic climate.

Eg. If economic conditions were 10% better and workers only got from that 2%. When the economic conditions drop to say 5%. There should have been no problems asking for more than 5% since they are still playing catch up.

In fact, every time lab government is voted in, they have to play catch up on public infrastructure (health, education, etc) which the libs have cut to call it a saving. Sorry - that is not a saving. People eating less to the point of starvation is not "saving" money. Not hiring more people or building more facilities to take into account of increased population is not saving.

so your logic is that if my business is making a bigger profit then the employees should be paid more? what about when it makes a loss? do I send them a bill?

Workers have in the past negotiated lower.
This is Australia, not America. We will not end up like America with its working poor, low minimum wages, poor healthcare system, etc, etc. We will not.

in extreme rarity. BTW the govt is 'making a loss'. why arent he PS unions offering a pay cut to save jobs?

govt. doesn't make a profit or loss idi ot

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined Reply #115 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:03pm John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:27pm: govt. doesn't make a profit or loss A 'deficit' is a loss.....
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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #116 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:05pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:22pm:

stunspore wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 5:57pm:

stunspore wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 5:05pm:

Pointless to try and reason with the lib supporters. This is for the undecided folks.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/09/08/inside-the-fight-over-productivity-and...

I picked the country that the libs most want to emulate. There is no problem asking for better conditions when economic conditions improve. There is also no problem asking for better conditions when economic conditions haven't when previous EBAs did not adequately address problems on the last economic climate.

Eg. If economic conditions were 10% better and workers only got from that 2%. When the economic conditions drop to say 5%. There should have been no problems asking for more than 5% since they are still playing catch up.

In fact, every time lab government is voted in, they have to play catch up on public infrastructure (health, education, etc) which the libs have cut to call it a saving. Sorry - that is not a saving. People eating less to the point of starvation is not "saving" money. Not hiring more people or building more facilities to take into account of increased population is not saving.

so your logic is that if my business is making a bigger profit then the employees should be paid more? what about when it makes a loss? do I send them a bill?

Workers have in the past negotiated lower.
This is Australia, not America. We will not end up like America with its working poor, low minimum wages, poor healthcare system, etc, etc. We will not.

in extreme rarity. BTW the govt is 'making a loss'. why arent he PS unions offering a pay cut to save jobs?

You have ignored the number of PS redundancies and rubbish PS wage results ? PS employees are paying more than their share to cover for the Liberal party incompetence.

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 74884 Gender:	Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined Reply #117 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:05pm Swagman wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:03pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:27pm: govt. doesn't make a profit or loss A 'deficit' is a loss..... no it's not.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58894 Here Gender:	Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined Reply #118 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:06pm Swagman wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:03pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:27pm: govt. doesn't make a profit or loss A 'deficit' is a loss..... You blame PS employees because the Liberal government keep spending too much ?
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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #119 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:11pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 5:57pm:

stunspore wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 5:05pm:

Pointless to try and reason with the lib supporters. This is for the undecided folks.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/09/08/inside-the-fight-over-productivity-and...

I picked the country that the libs most want to emulate. There is no problem asking for better conditions when economic conditions improve. There is also no problem asking for better conditions when economic conditions haven't when previous EBAs did not adequately address problems on the last economic climate.

Eg. If economic conditions were 10% better and workers only got from that 2%. When the economic conditions drop to say 5%. There should have been no problems asking for more than 5% since they are still playing catch up.

In fact, every time lab government is voted in, they have to play catch up on public infrastructure (health, education, etc) which the libs have cut to call it a saving. Sorry - that is not a saving. People eating less to the point of starvation is not "saving" money. Not hiring more people or building more facilities to take into account of increased population is not saving.

so your logic is that if my business is making a bigger profit then the employees should be paid more? what about when it makes a loss? do I send them a bill?

It is well accepted that in the tough years employees get poor results and do in fact share in the pain.

The problem is it is very different when things are going very well.

Most employees are happy to share the pain if they know they will also share in the gain. Unfortunately many employers only offer the pain.

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