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Reply #75 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:59am

" the Church who initiated education, health care, science, art music and pretty much everything else"

Actually it was the work of the early Union movement that created the environment in which those things could be applied universally, and as something more than the province of the privileged time-rich 'upper classes'. The most significant achievement was the abolition of child labour and then women's labour through the fight for a single living wage (something that arrived on the backs of the dead from two World Wars), which created the environment in which universal education could flourish. All the other things followed on for the MASSES as a direct consequence....

Assuming that means the Unions who actually created that environment in which all got a chance to flourish instead of a privileged few, are the 'past' Unions and thus have no relevance to the modern day, is a falsehood, since they have remained and will remain the bulwark against intrusion by self-interested bosses, who seek to remove and destroy conditions for personal gain, and by doing so, seek to recreate a 'golden' age in which business flourished in isolation while the workers were nothing but usable and disposable serfs entitled only to what the boss chose to hand out.

If you think that equates to irrelevance in the modern age.... you are blind.

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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #77 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 10:03am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:39am:

Its time wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:03am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:58am:

Its time wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

Its time wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:32am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:09am:

What has been achieved in the past does not justify the union thugs and corruption we see today.

Pay your dues or f off to another industry , it doesn't get any simpler

Union thuggery is never excusable.
Ever.

I prefer subtle psychological pressure on those that think they will be enjoying the fruits without joining, I love what he did but I knew it wouldn't be long before the liberal gestapo would come for him

The Church looks forward to your attendance - and tithing. You can thank them there for the schooling you got, the healthcare you receive and the technology you enjoy courtesy of the science that was initiated by the Church.

As a christian union member i paid my dues already , and then critical thinking kicked in and i sussed it was complete BS and never went back Wink

try again

As a christian i paid my dues already by attending , and then critical thinking kicked in and i sussed it was complete BS and never went back

Fixed , again.

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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #78 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 10:39am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:44am:

stunspore wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:30am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:58am:

Its time wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:53am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:38am:

Its time wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:32am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:09am:

What has been achieved in the past does not justify the union thugs and corruption we see today.

Pay your dues or f off to another industry , it doesn't get any simpler

Union thuggery is never excusable.
Ever.

I prefer subtle psychological pressure on those that think they will be enjoying the fruits without joining, I love what he did but I knew it wouldn't be long before the liberal gestapo would come for him

The Church looks forward to your attendance - and tithing. You can thank them there for the schooling you got, the healthcare you receive and the technology you enjoy courtesy of the science that was initiated by the Church.

Do we thank them for "touching" our children?

nope. criticise them for that, along with school teachers, doctors, lawyers, scout leaders, swim instructors, union leaders and ALP politicians.

Ahh how interesting. Yeh no, you hypocrite.

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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #79 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:13am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

" the Church who initiated education, health care, science, art music and pretty much everything else"

Actually it was the work of the early Union movement that created the environment in which those things could be applied universally, and as something more than the province of the privileged time-rich 'upper classes'. The most significant achievement was the abolition of child labour and then women's labour through the fight for a single living wage (something that arrived on the backs of the dead from two World Wars), which created the environment in which universal education could flourish. All the other things followed on for the MASSES as a direct consequence....

Assuming that means the Unions who actually created that environment in which all got a chance to flourish instead of a privileged few, are the 'past' Unions and thus have no relevance to the modern day, is a falsehood, since they have remained and will remain the bulwark against intrusion by self-interested bosses, who seek to remove and destroy conditions for personal gain, and by doing so, seek to recreate a 'golden' age in which business flourished in isolation while the workers were nothing but usable and disposable serfs entitled only to what the boss chose to hand out.

If you think that equates to irrelevance in the modern age.... you are blind.

that was almost entirely fiction - and bad fiction at that. You never heard of the abolition of child labor by... A CHRISTIAN who also acheived the worlds first age of consent law (10 years). all this was done in opposition to the enthrenched leadership who wanted these things to continue.

it was the church that instituted social welfare, education for the masses and healthcare. Ever wondered why so many schools and hospitals are named after saints etc? there is a clue there for you to consider.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74862 Gender:	Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined Reply #80 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:14am longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:13am: Ever wondered why so many schools and hospitals are named after saints etc? wow religious schools are named after saints ... who'd have ever figured
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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #81 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:15am

John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 10:01am:

longie thinks that because the church used to teach those rich enough to pay them in the old days, the church invented education.

Sunday SChool was originally literally that - a school on sundays for kids who had to work 6 days a week. It was extended to adults. And all those hospitals named after saint this and saint that? All put in place and paid for by the church. most art, music and science was done in churches and church-run universities etc.

so why dont you go to church and thank them for all you have as you seem to think we should for for unions?

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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #82 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:16am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:42am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:26am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 2:03pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:44pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:14pm:

Its time wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:36am:

why should non members enjoy the facilities that members fought and still pay their dues for?

They shouldn't.

Simple as that.

Low-life parasites.

Do you hold the same thoughts about non-taxpayers Pecker?

everyone pays tax swag.

You didn't answer where it says the employee's amenities belonged to the union?

It doesn't say who the fridge belongs to.

you ever found a fridge on a non union site? I've worked on thousands of sites with no fridge. No shed, only a milk crate (which I had to bring along) to sit on.
It doesn't matter who the fridge belongs to, if it wasn't for the unions the fridge would not be there, nor would the shed or any of the other facilities. You don't want to join the union, don't use the facilities they bring to the table.

the unions brought the fridge? you are so stupid.

apparently not as stupid as you .. I at least know the difference between bought and brought. Cheesy

'the union BROUGHT the fridge in'. Quite valid grammar and content.

except they did no such thing, fool.

Except you didn't say "brought in".

You said: "the unions brought the fridge".

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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #83 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:21am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:14pm:

Its time wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:36am:

why should non members enjoy the facilities that members fought and still pay their dues for?

They shouldn't.

Simple as that.

Low-life parasites.

the problem with that simplistic thinking is that it assumes that current conditions are the result of current union members - and they arent.

Quite incorrect.

We still have the conditions we enjoy today because of current union members.

If there were no members today (and thus, no unions), those conditions would be eroded away.

Example: penalty rates. If it wasn't for the good work of unions today, we would end up losing penalty rates.

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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #84 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:43am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 10:01am:

longie thinks that because the church used to teach those rich enough to pay them in the old days, the church invented education.

Sunday SChool was originally literally that - a school on sundays for kids who had to work 6 days a week. It was extended to adults. And all those hospitals named after saint this and saint that? All put in place and paid for by the church. most art, music and science was done in churches and church-run universities etc.

so why dont you go to church and thank them for all you have as you seem to think we should for for unions?

the hospitals weren't names after saints because of the churchs work ... they were named after saints names because of what the saint name represents.

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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #85 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:47am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 10:01am:

longie thinks that because the church used to teach those rich enough to pay them in the old days, the church invented education.

Sunday SChool was originally literally that - a school on sundays for kids who had to work 6 days a week. It was extended to adults. And all those hospitals named after saint this and saint that? All put in place and paid for by the church. most art, music and science was done in churches and church-run universities etc.

so why dont you go to church and thank them for all you have as you seem to think we should for for unions?

Sunday school was used to indoctrinate kids ... the only art the church did was that that it used for it's own purposes, after all, it was the few institutions that could afford to pay artists .

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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #86 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:57am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:42am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:26am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 2:03pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:44pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:14pm:

Its time wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:36am:

why should non members enjoy the facilities that members fought and still pay their dues for?

They shouldn't.

Simple as that.

Low-life parasites.

Do you hold the same thoughts about non-taxpayers Pecker?

everyone pays tax swag.

You didn't answer where it says the employee's amenities belonged to the union?

It doesn't say who the fridge belongs to.

you ever found a fridge on a non union site? I've worked on thousands of sites with no fridge. No shed, only a milk crate (which I had to bring along) to sit on.
It doesn't matter who the fridge belongs to, if it wasn't for the unions the fridge would not be there, nor would the shed or any of the other facilities. You don't want to join the union, don't use the facilities they bring to the table.

the unions brought the fridge? you are so stupid.

apparently not as stupid as you .. I at least know the difference between bought and brought. Cheesy

'the union BROUGHT the fridge in'. Quite valid grammar and content.

except they did no such thing, fool.

Except you didn't say "brought in".

You said: "the unions brought the fridge".

your pedantry is usually excellent but this times it fails you. the word 'in' is superfluous. when you invite visitors for dinner do you ask 'who brought the wine' or 'who brought the wine in'

this is my field. I can outwrite you and anyone else here - and have.

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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #87 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:59am

John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:43am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 10:01am:

longie thinks that because the church used to teach those rich enough to pay them in the old days, the church invented education.

Sunday SChool was originally literally that - a school on sundays for kids who had to work 6 days a week. It was extended to adults. And all those hospitals named after saint this and saint that? All put in place and paid for by the church. most art, music and science was done in churches and church-run universities etc.

so why dont you go to church and thank them for all you have as you seem to think we should for for unions?

the hospitals weren't names after saints because of the churchs work ... they were named after saints names because of what the saint name represents.

yeah right.... the church built the hospital itself - or did you not know that? a bit like your stupid claim that churches are taxpayer funded

idiot

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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #88 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:04pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:16am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:42am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:26am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 2:03pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:44pm:

Swagman wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 1:14pm:

Its time wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:36am:

why should non members enjoy the facilities that members fought and still pay their dues for?

They shouldn't.

Simple as that.

Low-life parasites.

Do you hold the same thoughts about non-taxpayers Pecker?

everyone pays tax swag.

You didn't answer where it says the employee's amenities belonged to the union?

It doesn't say who the fridge belongs to.

you ever found a fridge on a non union site? I've worked on thousands of sites with no fridge. No shed, only a milk crate (which I had to bring along) to sit on.
It doesn't matter who the fridge belongs to, if it wasn't for the unions the fridge would not be there, nor would the shed or any of the other facilities. You don't want to join the union, don't use the facilities they bring to the table.

the unions brought the fridge? you are so stupid.

apparently not as stupid as you .. I at least know the difference between bought and brought. Cheesy

'the union BROUGHT the fridge in'. Quite valid grammar and content.

except they did no such thing, fool.

Except you didn't say "brought in".

You said: "the unions brought the fridge".

your pedantry is usually excellent but this times it fails you. the word 'in' is superfluous. when you invite visitors for dinner do you ask 'who brought the wine' or 'who brought the wine in'

this is my field. I can outwrite you and anyone else here - and have.

I love watching you squirm.

Where did the company bring the fridge in from, Maria?

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Re: Gold Coast union ‘thug’ fined
Reply #89 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 12:05pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 9:59am:

" the Church who initiated education, health care, science, art music and pretty much everything else"

Actually it was the work of the early Union movement that created the environment in which those things could be applied universally, and as something more than the province of the privileged time-rich 'upper classes'. The most significant achievement was the abolition of child labour and then women's labour through the fight for a single living wage (something that arrived on the backs of the dead from two World Wars), which created the environment in which universal education could flourish. All the other things followed on for the MASSES as a direct consequence....

Assuming that means the Unions who actually created that environment in which all got a chance to flourish instead of a privileged few, are the 'past' Unions and thus have no relevance to the modern day, is a falsehood, since they have remained and will remain the bulwark against intrusion by self-interested bosses, who seek to remove and destroy conditions for personal gain, and by doing so, seek to recreate a 'golden' age in which business flourished in isolation while the workers were nothing but usable and disposable serfs entitled only to what the boss chose to hand out.

If you think that equates to irrelevance in the modern age.... you are blind.

that was almost entirely fiction - and bad fiction at that. You never heard of the abolition of child labor by... A CHRISTIAN who also acheived the worlds first age of consent law (10 years). all this was done in opposition to the enthrenched leadership who wanted these things to continue.

it was the church that instituted social welfare, education for the masses and healthcare. Ever wondered why so many schools and hospitals are named after saints etc? there is a clue there for you to consider.

I acknowledge both the good and bad. Like creating a nice little deal to protect priests after they touched kids.

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