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GordyL Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4365 Hate Town Gender:	Charged for defending your own home Mar 27^th, 2016 at 3:57pm I'll be interested to hear the full story but it's a real worry if you can no longer defend yourself in your own home http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/man-dies-after-breaking-into-home-in-newcastle-and-being...
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Reply #1 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 4:24pm

If someone breaks into your house the first thing you are going to need is a law degree to give you a sound understanding of the law surround 'self defence'. Then of course you will need a range of potential self defence weapons and fighting skills so you don't use any more force than is necessary.

See if you accidentally kill a thieving scum-bag, you will find yourself in a world of hurt, thanks to the brave men and women who weren't there to help you in the first place.

Once someone seeks to illegally enter your home with ill intent, then you should have the right to put them down without repercussions or recourse.

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Reply #2 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 4:41pm

why is it the laws protects an insurance company if you are found to have caused your own accident through illegal activity, but it doesn't protect you?

If someone breaks into your home you should be allowed to take action first, ask questions later. I'm not going to wait for you to do something to my kids before I determine what is reasonable force.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30035 Gender:	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #3 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 4:56pm Totally non leftist in that answer Smithy
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75183 Gender:	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #4 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 5:48pm Gnads wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 4:56pm: Totally non leftist in that answer Smithy sorry I don't fit your misconceptions ... I'll try harder next time
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Reply #5 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 5:59pm

You don't invite yourself into ANYONE'S home at 3.30 in the morning - even if you know them, and especially without a 'phone call beforehand.

The world is now less one scumbag. No loss.

Of the two residents, at least one is now in a world of deep sh1te.

He is now in a position where he has to prove that the defence he gave was appropriate in the situation. If he was under the influence of alcohol or drugs at the time, he's sunk without a trace. At least he sustained injuries consistent with the story so far. The 'castle doctrine' is no legal defence in this country.

One hopes that that the 'massive bang' heard by the witness was a china cabinet falling on the home invader during the scuffle.

In a society where a raised voice is considered assault, there exists little legal excuse for the use of a weapon. Especially when a weapon is considered anything held in the hand.

A $10 bag of old golf clubs can be considered a wise investment. Or a big shifting spanner.

Everyone needs either a hobby or an interest.

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Reply #6 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

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Reply #7 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:27pm

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

Charming, from an ex Copper who raved on loud and long about a (misperceived) perversion/corruption of the course of justice.

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Reply #8 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:45pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:27pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

Charming, from an ex Copper who raved on loud and long about a (misperceived) perversion/corruption of the course of justice.

I'd hazard a guess and say that the 'ex-copper' probably has as much an issue with the current laws as we, the public, have.

As an ex-copper, he probably has a better idea of the dangers the public faces nowadays than you do.

Give the man the benefit of his experience when he voices an opinion.

It's merely polite.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16625 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #9 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:55pm I hope he gets off. There but for the grace of 'god' go I. If scum invade your home like that, there should be hell to pay.
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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #10 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:59pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:27pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

Charming, from an ex Copper who raved on loud and long about a (misperceived) perversion/corruption of the course of justice.

I'd hazard a guess and say that the 'ex-copper' probably has as much an issue with the current laws as we, the public, have.

As an ex-copper, he probably has a better idea of the dangers the public faces nowadays than you do.

Give the man the benefit of his experience when he voices an opinion.

It's merely polite.

No. He wants to interfere with a crime scene to corrupt and pervert the course of justice. He said so.

The Law is clear issue on trespassers/break in/burglars etc as it was if the Pretorius case. It is not rocket science at all. I doubt you'd have the slightest idea what the current Law is, yet you bitch about it.

Until I know all the facts, I'm not going to comment on the specific case, and even then, that will not be in this Thread.

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Reply #11 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:14pm

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

This, from an ex-cop.

And then, some numbskull supports him.

Jesus - what's wrong with you people?

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Reply #12 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:23pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

This, from an ex-cop.

And then, some numbskull supports him.

Jesus - what's wrong with you people?

An intruder enters a home where a family is sleeping and the adult in the house is not trained or confident in combat. When they encounter the intruder in the dark pure fear takes over and they over react and kill him. Lights go on and discover he is unarmed.

Is it immoral to place a weapon in the intruders hand?

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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #13 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:24pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

This, from an ex-cop.

And then, some numbskull supports him.

Jesus - what's wrong with you people?

An intruder enters a home where a family is sleeping and the adult in the house is not trained or confident in combat. When they encounter the intruder in the dark pure fear takes over and they over react and kill him. Lights go on and discover he is unarmed.

Is it immoral to place a weapon in the intruders hand?

Yes.

Without a shadow of a doubt.

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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #14 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:24pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

This, from an ex-cop.

And then, some numbskull supports him.

Jesus - what's wrong with you people?

An intruder enters a home where a family is sleeping and the adult in the house is not trained or confident in combat. When they encounter the intruder in the dark pure fear takes over and they over react and kill him. Lights go on and discover he is unarmed.

Is it immoral to place a weapon in the intruders hand?

Yes.

Without a shadow of a doubt.

Apologist.

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