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Reply #90 - Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:16pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:12pm:
AiA wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:10pm:
google it yourself. i will help you. "stand your ground"


White flag accepted.

Would any other liars like to give it a try?



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Reply #91 - Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:17pm
 

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Reply #92 - Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:19pm
 
SMH needs to have a comments section after stories like this. I have read Sydney Morning Herald online occasionally since the 2000 Olympics and the lack of a comments section after an unfavorable opinion story led me here.

The Sheep need to be reminded from time to time that they are Sheep, persecuting this one individual for trying to defend what is his is an example for all. He should have gotten as many family members as possible out of the house or cowered with them in a bedroom. After the tradesman has finished collecting valuables he will leave and all is well again. And I thought I lived in bizarro world!


http://lawnewz.com/crazy/woman-kills-home-intruder-and-media-actually-outraged-a...

54-year-old Gwendolyn Jenrette shot and killed a 17-year-old teen that broke into her Liberty City home on Thursday and now the teen’s family members are calling for the state’s attorney to file charges against the woman.  What’s more, The Washington Post is using the incident to criticize Florida’s homeowner protection laws.

Jenrette raced home last Thursday after she received an alert from a security system company that there was a possible break-in at her home.  Police were also alerted and dispatched to the home, however, Janrette arrived and found 17-year-old Trevon Johnson climbing out of a window.  According to investigators, there was then a confrontation between Johnson and Jenrette and police officers responding to the scene heard at least one gunshot.  They immediately entered the backyard and found Johnson on the ground bleeding from an apparent gunshot wound.  He was immediately transported to a local hospital where he was pronounced dead later that evening.

Jenrette was taken to the police station and interviewed while other investigators stayed behind at the home to collect evidence.  Authorities described her as “a little distraught” by the events but said she was otherwise cooperating with the investigation.

Enter Michael E. Miller with the Washington Post, who picked up on the story for an article this morning in which he laments about the difficulty some states have in prosecuting homeowners that dare to defend their homes from intruders.

The Post highlights several comments critical of Janrette made by Johnson’s family members to local news reporters in the aftermath of the shooting and described them as “an impassioned claims that the teenager deserved justice, despite the circumstances of his death.”

The newspaper even goes so far as to highlight a comment from Johnson’s cousin that seems to blame Janrette for failing to recognize that maybe Johnson didn’t have another way to get money school clothes.


“You have to look at it from every child’s point of view that was raised in the hood,” Johnson cousin Naukita Harris said. “You have to understand… how he gonna get his money to have clothes to go to school? You have to look at it from his point-of-view.”


However, what really gets at the Post is that Florida law provides “some of the staunchest protections in the country” for those seeking to protect their home intruders.

    “A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony,” according to state law. “A person who uses or threatens to use deadly force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground if the person using or threatening to use the deadly force is not engaged in a criminal activity and is in a place where he or she has a right to be.”

The Post goes on to note that in Florida “anybody who ‘unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.’”

It will ultimately be up to the state’s attorney to decide whether charges are justified in this case.  However, as noted above, Florida homeowners are essentially presumed to be lawfully acting in self-defense if they have to shoot an intruder trying to break into to their home.  As a result, Janrette is unlikely to be charged with a crime in this case.  Furthermore, given the circumstance of this case, a strong argument could be made that she would not be charged even in state’s with lesser homeowner protections than Florida.

Bottom line, critics would be wise to pick another incident to hold up as example of alleged injustice that results from Florida’s homeowners protection laws.
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Reply #93 - Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:19pm
 
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Reply #94 - Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:20pm
 
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:12pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:09pm:
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:08pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:05pm:
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:00pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 10:55pm:
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 10:50pm:
I can guess. i would rather you explained your point.




It's not difficult Ian.

You said you would stab an unarmed person. You would then "lie and fabricate" about your actions to avoid consequences.

I'm saying you don't need to "lie and fabricate" if you don't kill an unarmed person.

Did you really need that explained to you?
What arent you understanding? The intruders life is forfeit.. The fact they were armed or unarmed is irrelevant. Im not going to jail. Im posting via a proxy here so Im being quite candid.




No. Their life is not "forfeit". It is highly relevant whether they are armed or not. And you don't need to go to jail if you don't kill anyone.

No-one deserves to die over stuff.
nothing to do with "stuff". i wished I lived in your world. seriously. i dont mean that in a demeaning manner.


Why else would they break into your home if it weren't to get stuff?


To bask in ian's aura.

who could blame them?



You. You'd kill them for it and then lie about why and how you killed them.
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Reply #95 - Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:21pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:19pm:
SMH needs to have a comments section after stories like this. I have read Sydney Morning Herald online occasionally since the 2000 Olympics and the lack of a comments section after an unfavorable opinion story led me here.

The Sheep need to be reminded from time to time that they are Sheep, persecuting this one individual for trying to defend what is his is an example for all. He should have gotten as many family members as possible out of the house or cowered with them in a bedroom. After the tradesman has finished collecting valuables he will leave and all is well again. And I thought I lived in bizarro world!


http://lawnewz.com/crazy/woman-kills-home-intruder-and-media-actually-outraged-a...

54-year-old Gwendolyn Jenrette shot and killed a 17-year-old teen that broke into her Liberty City home on Thursday and now the teen’s family members are calling for the state’s attorney to file charges against the woman.  What’s more, The Washington Post is using the incident to criticize Florida’s homeowner protection laws.

Jenrette raced home last Thursday after she received an alert from a security system company that there was a possible break-in at her home.  Police were also alerted and dispatched to the home, however, Janrette arrived and found 17-year-old Trevon Johnson climbing out of a window.  According to investigators, there was then a confrontation between Johnson and Jenrette and police officers responding to the scene heard at least one gunshot.  They immediately entered the backyard and found Johnson on the ground bleeding from an apparent gunshot wound.  He was immediately transported to a local hospital where he was pronounced dead later that evening.

Jenrette was taken to the police station and interviewed while other investigators stayed behind at the home to collect evidence.  Authorities described her as “a little distraught” by the events but said she was otherwise cooperating with the investigation.

Enter Michael E. Miller with the Washington Post, who picked up on the story for an article this morning in which he laments about the difficulty some states have in prosecuting homeowners that dare to defend their homes from intruders.

The Post highlights several comments critical of Janrette made by Johnson’s family members to local news reporters in the aftermath of the shooting and described them as “an impassioned claims that the teenager deserved justice, despite the circumstances of his death.”

The newspaper even goes so far as to highlight a comment from Johnson’s cousin that seems to blame Janrette for failing to recognize that maybe Johnson didn’t have another way to get money school clothes.


“You have to look at it from every child’s point of view that was raised in the hood,” Johnson cousin Naukita Harris said. “You have to understand… how he gonna get his money to have clothes to go to school? You have to look at it from his point-of-view.”

However, what really gets at the Post is that Florida law provides “some of the staunchest protections in the country” for those seeking to protect their home intruders.

    “A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony,” according to state law. “A person who uses or threatens to use deadly force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground if the person using or threatening to use the deadly force is not engaged in a criminal activity and is in a place where he or she has a right to be.”

The Post goes on to note that in Florida “anybody who ‘unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.’”

It will ultimately be up to the state’s attorney to decide whether charges are justified in this case.  However, as noted above, Florida homeowners are essentially presumed to be lawfully acting in self-defense if they have to shoot an intruder trying to break into to their home.  As a result, Janrette is unlikely to be charged with a crime in this case.  Furthermore, given the circumstance of this case, a strong argument could be made that she would not be charged even in state’s with lesser homeowner protections than Florida.

Bottom line, critics would be wise to pick another incident to hold up as example of alleged injustice that results from Florida’s homeowners protection laws.

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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #96 - Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:22pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:20pm:
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:12pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:09pm:
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:08pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:05pm:
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:00pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 10:55pm:
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 10:50pm:
I can guess. i would rather you explained your point.




It's not difficult Ian.

You said you would stab an unarmed person. You would then "lie and fabricate" about your actions to avoid consequences.

I'm saying you don't need to "lie and fabricate" if you don't kill an unarmed person.

Did you really need that explained to you?
What arent you understanding? The intruders life is forfeit.. The fact they were armed or unarmed is irrelevant. Im not going to jail. Im posting via a proxy here so Im being quite candid.




No. Their life is not "forfeit". It is highly relevant whether they are armed or not. And you don't need to go to jail if you don't kill anyone.

No-one deserves to die over stuff.
nothing to do with "stuff". i wished I lived in your world. seriously. i dont mean that in a demeaning manner.


Why else would they break into your home if it weren't to get stuff?


To bask in ian's aura.

who could blame them?



You. You'd kill them for it and then lie about why and how you killed them.

if you say so. All hypotheticals. Like greggary says, im a gutless coward.
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Reply #97 - Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:22pm
 


Well, among others, there's this:

" ... In the United States, a stand-your-ground law (sometimes called "line in the sand" or "no duty to retreat" law) is a law that authorizes an individual to protect and defend their own life and limb against threat or perceived threat. This law states that an individual has no duty to retreat from any place the individual has a lawful right to be and may use any level of force, including lethal, if the individual reasonably believes they face an imminent and immediate threat of serious bodily harm or death.

The castle doctrine applies in 45 US jurisdictions and in Guam,[1] which gives immunity from liability to individuals (ie., there is no duty to retreat) when an intruder enters their home. Of these, twenty-two jurisdictions have also extended the immunity to other locations,[2] some extending it to anywhere where they may legally be.[3]

Other restrictions may still exist, however, such as when in public, a person must be carrying a firearm or other weapon in a legal manner, whether concealed or openly.
..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

I believe it stems from the time, in English Common Law, when doorways were constructed so that you had to stoop upon entry. If the home-owner had a sword, forced entry became a game of "Who's next!"

The law in the USA certainly differs from ours when it comes to self-defence.

No law student me, of course, but simpler and more violent times demanded easier, immediate solutions to home invasion.

We might live in more enlightened times these days, but some problems never seem to go away.

It's the solutions that have become more complicated.

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Reply #98 - Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:23pm
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:19pm:
Ladies, bring a plate.




I refuse unless the men bring one too.

Equality, innit.
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Reply #99 - Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:23pm
 
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:22pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:20pm:
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:12pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:09pm:
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:08pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:05pm:
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:00pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 10:55pm:
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 10:50pm:
I can guess. i would rather you explained your point.




It's not difficult Ian.

You said you would stab an unarmed person. You would then "lie and fabricate" about your actions to avoid consequences.

I'm saying you don't need to "lie and fabricate" if you don't kill an unarmed person.

Did you really need that explained to you?
What arent you understanding? The intruders life is forfeit.. The fact they were armed or unarmed is irrelevant. Im not going to jail. Im posting via a proxy here so Im being quite candid.




No. Their life is not "forfeit". It is highly relevant whether they are armed or not. And you don't need to go to jail if you don't kill anyone.

No-one deserves to die over stuff.
nothing to do with "stuff". i wished I lived in your world. seriously. i dont mean that in a demeaning manner.


Why else would they break into your home if it weren't to get stuff?


To bask in ian's aura.

who could blame them?



You. You'd kill them for it and then lie about why and how you killed them.

if you say so. All hypotheticals. Like greggary says, im a gutless coward.





No. You said so.
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Reply #100 - Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:29pm
 
mothra wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:23pm:
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:22pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:20pm:
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:12pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:09pm:
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:08pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:05pm:
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:00pm:
mothra wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 10:55pm:
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 10:50pm:
I can guess. i would rather you explained your point.




It's not difficult Ian.

You said you would stab an unarmed person. You would then "lie and fabricate" about your actions to avoid consequences.

I'm saying you don't need to "lie and fabricate" if you don't kill an unarmed person.

Did you really need that explained to you?
What arent you understanding? The intruders life is forfeit.. The fact they were armed or unarmed is irrelevant. Im not going to jail. Im posting via a proxy here so Im being quite candid.




No. Their life is not "forfeit". It is highly relevant whether they are armed or not. And you don't need to go to jail if you don't kill anyone.

No-one deserves to die over stuff.
nothing to do with "stuff". i wished I lived in your world. seriously. i dont mean that in a demeaning manner.


Why else would they break into your home if it weren't to get stuff?


To bask in ian's aura.

who could blame them?



You. You'd kill them for it and then lie about why and how you killed them.

if you say so. All hypotheticals. Like greggary says, im a gutless coward.





No. You said so.
you got me.
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Reply #101 - Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:40pm
 
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:29pm:
]you got me.




"You do it to yourself, you do.
And that's what really hurts.
You do it to yourself, just you.
You and no-one else.
You do it to yourself"


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Reply #102 - Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:43pm
 
Ouch. Scathing.
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Reply #103 - Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:45pm
 
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 10:00pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 8:30pm:
just saw on the news ... the thief had a broken neck.

If the home owner has had any sort of unarmed combat training, he's screwed. If the thief broke his neck in a fall, the homeowner might get lucky

nonsense.



if you think it's nonsense, it's a safe bet that I'm right
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Reply #104 - Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:45pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 11:45pm:
ian wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 10:00pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 27th, 2016 at 8:30pm:
just saw on the news ... the thief had a broken neck.

If the home owner has had any sort of unarmed combat training, he's screwed. If the thief broke his neck in a fall, the homeowner might get lucky

nonsense.



if you think it's nonsense, it's a safe bet that I'm right
Go with that.
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