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Reply #15 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:26pm

Frank wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:24pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

This, from an ex-cop.

And then, some numbskull supports him.

Jesus - what's wrong with you people?

An intruder enters a home where a family is sleeping and the adult in the house is not trained or confident in combat. When they encounter the intruder in the dark pure fear takes over and they over react and kill him. Lights go on and discover he is unarmed.

Is it immoral to place a weapon in the intruders hand?

Yes.

Without a shadow of a doubt.

Apologist.

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Reply #16 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

This, from an ex-cop.

And then, some numbskull supports him.

Jesus - what's wrong with you people?

Never had to defend yourself on your home ground, eh, greggery?

When it becomes a situation where it's hurt or be hurt, 'tis better to have what you need rather than need more than you have.

Simples!

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Reply #17 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:29pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:24pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

This, from an ex-cop.

And then, some numbskull supports him.

Jesus - what's wrong with you people?

An intruder enters a home where a family is sleeping and the adult in the house is not trained or confident in combat. When they encounter the intruder in the dark pure fear takes over and they over react and kill him. Lights go on and discover he is unarmed.

Is it immoral to place a weapon in the intruders hand?

Yes.

Without a shadow of a doubt.

If their actions would lead to 10 years in jail, resulting in the chldren growing up in a foster home but placing a weapon in the intuders hand would mean a walk.

Is it immoral?

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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #18 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:31pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

This, from an ex-cop.

And then, some numbskull supports him.

Jesus - what's wrong with you people?

Never had to defend yourself on your home ground, eh, greggery?

When it becomes a situation where it's hurt or be hurt, 'tis better to have what you need rather than need more than you have.

Simples!

Is English your first language?

Or, are you simply an illiterate fool?

"Hurt or be hurt"?

Read it again, Einstein:

"you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold".

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Reply #19 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:37pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

This, from an ex-cop.

And then, some numbskull supports him.

Jesus - what's wrong with you people?

Never had to defend yourself on your home ground, eh, greggery?

When it becomes a situation where it's hurt or be hurt, 'tis better to have what you need rather than need more than you have.

Simples!

Is English your first language?

Or, are you simply an illiterate fool?

"Hurt or be hurt"?

Read it again, Einstein:

"you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold".

https://secure.static.tumblr.com/733a4a06f6131ee4c92e314aa05dadce/m6aofjc/v57nnf...

It would help if you could distinguish between a comment and a statement. English Lit. 101, eh?

If he's out cold, bring on the zip ties and call the coppers.

If he don't wake up, like in the scenario being discussed, where do you go from there?

Better to salt the scene, eh?

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Reply #21 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:40pm

Charges have been upgraded to murder and bail denied.

I'd say the police just lay the charge out of procedure and let the court work it out .

His young family were in the house.
I bet he'll get off but his life will be fkd, all because some junky wanted to steal something from his house at 330am while his family was sleeping

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Reply #22 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:42pm

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Better to salt the scene, eh?

That is....fabricate evidence, cover up evidence, lie, cheat and deceive all the way through the legal process which has been corrupted and perverted by you....a criminal, in this case, encouraged to do so by a former Copper. Just goes to show where moral compasses are really calibrated around these parts.

Are you serious?

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Reply #23 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:43pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

If he don't wake up, like in the scenario being discussed, where do you go from there?

Be a man, call the police, and tell the truth.

It's not even something I'd need to think twice about.

Then you're in exactly the same boat as that gentleman under discussion at the moment.

The onus of proof is upon you to defend your actions.

After all, he died after the fact. But he still died as a result of your actions.

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Reply #24 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:45pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

If he don't wake up, like in the scenario being discussed, where do you go from there?

Be a man, call the police, and tell the truth.

It's not even something I'd need to think twice about.

Then you're in exactly the same boat as that gentleman under discussion at the moment.

The onus of proof is upon you to defend your actions.

After all, he died after the fact. But he still died as a result of your actions.

Utter rubbish. Please....cease. Go read the Law. Do a Google, whatever. Stop making a complete ass of yourself!

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Reply #25 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:46pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

If he don't wake up, like in the scenario being discussed, where do you go from there?

Be a man, call the police, and tell the truth.

It's not even something I'd need to think twice about.

Then you're in exactly the same boat as that gentleman under discussion at the moment.

The onus of proof is upon you to defend your actions.

After all, he died after the fact. But he still died as a result of your actions.

I'm an honest person, not a criminal.

Therefore, I'd call the cops, man up, and tell the truth.

Interfering with the scene of a crime would never even cross my mind.

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Reply #26 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:46pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

If he don't wake up, like in the scenario being discussed, where do you go from there?

Be a man, call the police, and tell the truth.

It's not even something I'd need to think twice about.

Then you're in exactly the same boat as that gentleman under discussion at the moment.

The onus of proof is upon you to defend your actions.

After all, he died after the fact. But he still died as a result of your actions.

I'm an honest person, not a criminal.

Therefore, I'd call the cops, man up, and tell the truth.

Interfering with the scene of a crime would never even cross my mind.

Not just interfering....reconstructing it all to corrupt, pervert, lie, cheat, deceive, dupe and all on the recommendation of an former Copper. Unreal I tells ya! What really does go on in Copper World these days to fabricate evidence to shaft blame and responsibility where it does not lie?

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Reply #27 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:56pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

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Better to salt the scene, eh?

That is....fabricate evidence, cover up evidence, lie, cheat and deceive all the way through the legal process which has been corrupted and perverted by you....a criminal, in this case, encouraged to do so by a former Copper. Just goes to show where moral compasses are really calibrated around these parts.

Are you serious?

Was it intentional? Did you go beyond what was necessary? Were you in fear of your life? Was your family genuinely at risk?

Prove it!

Nobody's acting under advice.

The case in question at the moment will pan out as it may.

If all these people aren't connected in some way, the outcome will be interesting.

In a real life scenario, if tampering with evidence means the difference between GBH and manslaughter, what is the real additional penalty when you acted under panic and duress?

If you pardon the pun, it might be worth the shot.

Some coppers would understand.

If it wasn't a REAL threat, there's no need for such a reaction in the first place.

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Reply #28 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:59pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:46pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:43pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

If he don't wake up, like in the scenario being discussed, where do you go from there?

Be a man, call the police, and tell the truth.

It's not even something I'd need to think twice about.

Then you're in exactly the same boat as that gentleman under discussion at the moment.

The onus of proof is upon you to defend your actions.

After all, he died after the fact. But he still died as a result of your actions.

I'm an honest person, not a criminal.

Therefore, I'd call the cops, man up, and tell the truth.

Interfering with the scene of a crime would never even cross my mind.

Not just interfering....reconstructing it all to corrupt, pervert, lie, cheat, deceive, dupe and all on the recommendation of an former Copper. Unreal I tells ya! What really does go on in Copper World these days to fabricate evidence to shaft blame and responsibility where it does not lie?

There's always been plenty of corrupt cops around.

Sounds like red might have been one in his time.

As for the rightards condoning his suggestion, no surprises there: most Liberal Party supporters/members are corrupt in one way or another.

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Reply #29 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:04pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:40pm:

Charges have been upgraded to murder and bail denied.

I'd say the police just lay the charge out of procedure and let the court work it out .

His young family were in the house.
I bet he'll get off but his life will be fkd, all because some junky wanted to steal something from his house at 330am while his family was sleeping

If this turns out to be an ice junkie or another Somali opportunist, this man's actions were completely justified under the circumstances.

I miss my fuggin Rottweilers.

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