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Reply #285 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 6:35pm:

Mr Peccary....yeas I acknowledge the fact it is a Yahoo source, but here ya go:

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interesting facts. the guy has not fought for bail. odd to say the least for someone claiming to be innocent. he claimed once that he caught the guy peering thru the bedroom window and then later standing over her bed. very different story and the arrest for murder suggests the cops didnt believe it either.

No-one can in a Magistrates Court where he appeared. Bail on a murder charge can only be granted by the Supreme Court.

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Reply #286 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:30pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 6:35pm:

Mr Peccary....yeas I acknowledge the fact it is a Yahoo source, but here ya go:

Link.

interesting facts. the guy has not fought for bail. odd to say the least for someone claiming to be innocent. he claimed once that he caught the guy peering thru the bedroom window and then later standing over her bed. very different story and the arrest for murder suggests the cops didnt believe it either.

How embarrassing to be you

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Reply #287 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:30pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 6:56pm:

ian wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 6:52pm:

he was standing over the childs bed. Innocent enough. Breaking in at 3 am and heading for the childs bedroom. Must of been lost or something.

This is a real lesson on why you should never ever EVER talk to police on a serious matter until you have a lawyer.

correct. Most people are convicted out of the evidence from their own mouth. Many believe that because their actions are morally justifiable then they will not be charged.

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Reply #288 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:32pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:19pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 6:35pm:

Mr Peccary....yeas I acknowledge the fact it is a Yahoo source, but here ya go:

Link.

interesting facts. the guy has not fought for bail. odd to say the least for someone claiming to be innocent. he claimed once that he caught the guy peering thru the bedroom window and then later standing over her bed. very different story and the arrest for murder suggests the cops didnt believe it either.

Lol. First you say there is no such thing as a citizens arrest, now you are stating that people somehow "fight for bail" on a murder charge in a magistrates court. You really are the forum halfwit.

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Reply #289 - Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:57pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 6:11pm:

Svengali wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 4:10pm:

Reports coming thru that dead guy was peering thru the daughters bedroom window.

Obviously GordyL's mate the perpetrator is using GordyL as a bugle for his sham cause for murder. Or, GordyL is extremely gullible.

GordyL please submit yourself for testing.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/miscellaneous-gullibility-fool-...

I'll PM you my address if you want, you're welcome to try breaking into my house at 330am and see how well you do.

You don't have anything worth the trouble of getting out of bed for at 03:30. It would be a waste of my time. The petrol cost would probably be more than anything in the house.

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Reply #290 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:48am

Svengali wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 8:57pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 6:11pm:

Svengali wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 4:10pm:

Reports coming thru that dead guy was peering thru the daughters bedroom window.

Obviously GordyL's mate the perpetrator is using GordyL as a bugle for his sham cause for murder. Or, GordyL is extremely gullible.

GordyL please submit yourself for testing.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/miscellaneous-gullibility-fool-...

I'll PM you my address if you want, you're welcome to try breaking into my house at 330am and see how well you do.

You don't have anything worth the trouble of getting out of bed for at 03:30. It would be a waste of my time. The petrol cost would probably be more than anything in the house.

If he said he had a young kiddie in the house you would be meticulously planning your break in.

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Reply #291 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 10:10am

The plot thickens. How convenient for homeowner Batterham that a friend was there at 3:30 AM to help him subdue the 'burglar'. The victim's family's contend that Slater was there attending a party.

It would not be surprising to find that Batterham and Slater were known to each other and that police know Batterham. The house certainly does not appear to be worth breaking in to.

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However, family of the 34-year-old father have since claimed Mr Slater was not an intruder and was at the home to attend a party, Nine News reported.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3512240/Family-allegedly-murdered-intrud...

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Reply #292 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 10:28am

Svengali wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 10:10am:

The plot thickens. How convenient for homeowner Batterham that a friend was there at 3:30 AM to help him subdue the 'burglar'. The victim's family's contend that Slater was there attending a party.

It would not be surprising to find that Batterham and Slater were known to each other and that police know Batterham. The house certainly does not appear to be worth breaking in to.

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However, family of the 34-year-old father have since claimed Mr Slater was not an intruder and was at the home to attend a party, Nine News reported.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3512240/Family-allegedly-murdered-intrud...

Yes, mum Beryl looks like a fine upstanding woman who did a wonderful job of raising her son, and I'd believe ANYTHING she says without question, particularly how he was an 'innocent fulla'.

I'm a bit confused about what she says 1:12 in the video below about the ' 3 art attacks'. Is she suggesting he was at the house at 330am to paint a decorative mural in the girls bedroom?

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/emotional-family-of-burglar-ricky-slater-in-court-to-s...

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GordyL Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4365 Hate Town Gender:	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #293 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 10:36am Here's a nice family photo of Beryl's wonderful son. Notice the bunk beds in the background
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Reply #294 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:36am

The other interesting facts from the article are these:

1. There were three men involved in the fight - the perpetrator, the home owner got charged and his friend.
2. Neighbor reported the fight spilling onto the street. Meaning, the person killed was alive, and had left the house.
3. Police arrived to find the two men 'detained' the deceased.

So, it raises interesting question.
The law states right to self defense, yes.

However, the deceased was killed "OUTSIDE" the house, and was outnumbered by 2 to 1. IF, he was killed in the process of self defense inside house, then its a clear case. However, if he was killed as an attempt by two men trying to 'detain' him. Then, this case gets very muddled. The question will then be, when do the act of self defense end?

For example, say in a hypothetical case. A man defends against an attacker, the attacker tries to run away. The man then gets into a car and run the attacker down killing him. Is this still self defense?

Very interesting case indeed.

Oh another thing is that the mother claimed that her son was invited to a party at the house. Now, was there a party at the house at the time? If so, how many people were there? Did the deceased know the home owner and his friend prior to breaking in? There are alot of loose ends to follow, and murder charges usually do not get laid very easily. I think this case, is not simply an innocent victim finding an intruder in the small hours of the morning.

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Reply #296 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:06pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

The other interesting facts from the article is this:

1. There were three men involved in the fight - the perpetrator, the home owner got charged and his friend.
2. Neighbor reported the fight spilling onto the street. Meaning, the person killed was alive, and had left the house.
3. Police arrived to find the two men 'detained' the deceased.

So, it raises interesting question.
The law states right to self defense, yes.

However, the deceased was killed "OUTSIDE" the house, and was outnumbered by 2 to 1. IF, he was killed in the process of self defense inside house, then its a clear case. However, if he was killed as an attempt by two men trying to 'detain' him. Then, this case gets very muddled. The question will then be, when do the act of self defense end?

For example, say in a hypothetical case. A man defends against an attacker, the attack tries to run away. The man then gets into a car and run the attacker down killing him. Is this still self defense?

Very interesting case indeed.

Oh another thing is that the mother claimed that her son was invited to a party at the house. Now, was there a party at the house at the time? If so, how many people were there? Did the deceased know the home owner and his friend prior to breaking in? There are alot of loose ends to follow, and murder charges usually do not get laid very easily. I think this case, is not simply an innocent victim finding an intruder in the small hours of the morning.

A further sign of Ben Batterham's guilt is the two biggest losers on this forum GordyL and ian have taken his side. Definitely a bad portent for Ben Batterham.

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Reply #297 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:08pm

Svengali wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

The other interesting facts from the article is this:

1. There were three men involved in the fight - the perpetrator, the home owner got charged and his friend.
2. Neighbor reported the fight spilling onto the street. Meaning, the person killed was alive, and had left the house.
3. Police arrived to find the two men 'detained' the deceased.

So, it raises interesting question.
The law states right to self defense, yes.

However, the deceased was killed "OUTSIDE" the house, and was outnumbered by 2 to 1. IF, he was killed in the process of self defense inside house, then its a clear case. However, if he was killed as an attempt by two men trying to 'detain' him. Then, this case gets very muddled. The question will then be, when do the act of self defense end?

For example, say in a hypothetical case. A man defends against an attacker, the attack tries to run away. The man then gets into a car and run the attacker down killing him. Is this still self defense?

Very interesting case indeed.

Oh another thing is that the mother claimed that her son was invited to a party at the house. Now, was there a party at the house at the time? If so, how many people were there? Did the deceased know the home owner and his friend prior to breaking in? There are alot of loose ends to follow, and murder charges usually do not get laid very easily. I think this case, is not simply an innocent victim finding an intruder in the small hours of the morning.

A further sign of Ben Batterham's guilt is the two biggest losers on this forum GordyL and ian have taken his side. Definitely a bad portent for Ben Batterham.

I bet if Ben Batterham was a darkie and the dude killed wasn't an aborigine you'd be on his side.

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tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4102 Gender:	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #298 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:10pm I don't think race have much to do here. My view is that there are simply too many questions raised that do not follow the logic of an innocent home owner trying to defend his home and family from an intruder.
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Reply #299 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:13pm

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

I don't think race have much to do here. My view is that there are simply too many questions raised that do not follow the logic of an innocent home owner trying to defend his home and family from an intruder.

Of course race plays a part. Haven't you noticed the family of aborigines sobbing the media has been parading around. I've never seen that before. This is political.

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