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Reply #300 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:13pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:08pm:

Svengali wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

The other interesting facts from the article is this:

1. There were three men involved in the fight - the perpetrator, the home owner got charged and his friend.
2. Neighbor reported the fight spilling onto the street. Meaning, the person killed was alive, and had left the house.
3. Police arrived to find the two men 'detained' the deceased.

So, it raises interesting question.
The law states right to self defense, yes.

However, the deceased was killed "OUTSIDE" the house, and was outnumbered by 2 to 1. IF, he was killed in the process of self defense inside house, then its a clear case. However, if he was killed as an attempt by two men trying to 'detain' him. Then, this case gets very muddled. The question will then be, when do the act of self defense end?

For example, say in a hypothetical case. A man defends against an attacker, the attack tries to run away. The man then gets into a car and run the attacker down killing him. Is this still self defense?

Very interesting case indeed.

Oh another thing is that the mother claimed that her son was invited to a party at the house. Now, was there a party at the house at the time? If so, how many people were there? Did the deceased know the home owner and his friend prior to breaking in? There are alot of loose ends to follow, and murder charges usually do not get laid very easily. I think this case, is not simply an innocent victim finding an intruder in the small hours of the morning.

A further sign of Ben Batterham's guilt is the two biggest losers on this forum GordyL and ian have taken his side. Definitely a bad portent for Ben Batterham.

I bet if Ben Batterham was a darkie and the dude killed wasn't an aborigine you'd be on his side.

Ben should have stuck to battering hams.

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GordyL Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4365 Hate Town Gender:	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #301 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:14pm Latest intel coming in. The place was a drug dealers house and dead guy was either looking to buy, or retrieve drugs he'd paid for.
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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #302 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:14pm

Svengali wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:08pm:

Svengali wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

The other interesting facts from the article is this:

1. There were three men involved in the fight - the perpetrator, the home owner got charged and his friend.
2. Neighbor reported the fight spilling onto the street. Meaning, the person killed was alive, and had left the house.
3. Police arrived to find the two men 'detained' the deceased.

So, it raises interesting question.
The law states right to self defense, yes.

However, the deceased was killed "OUTSIDE" the house, and was outnumbered by 2 to 1. IF, he was killed in the process of self defense inside house, then its a clear case. However, if he was killed as an attempt by two men trying to 'detain' him. Then, this case gets very muddled. The question will then be, when do the act of self defense end?

For example, say in a hypothetical case. A man defends against an attacker, the attack tries to run away. The man then gets into a car and run the attacker down killing him. Is this still self defense?

Very interesting case indeed.

Oh another thing is that the mother claimed that her son was invited to a party at the house. Now, was there a party at the house at the time? If so, how many people were there? Did the deceased know the home owner and his friend prior to breaking in? There are alot of loose ends to follow, and murder charges usually do not get laid very easily. I think this case, is not simply an innocent victim finding an intruder in the small hours of the morning.

A further sign of Ben Batterham's guilt is the two biggest losers on this forum GordyL and ian have taken his side. Definitely a bad portent for Ben Batterham.

I bet if Ben Batterham was a darkie and the dude killed wasn't an aborigine you'd be on his side.

Ben should have stuck to battering hams.

Obviously that's a yes.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #303 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:15pm GordyL wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:14pm: Latest intel coming in. The place was a drug dealers house and dead guy was either looking to buy, or retrieve drugs he'd paid for. Or steal drugs and money.
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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #304 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:17pm

Svengali wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

The other interesting facts from the article is this:

1. There were three men involved in the fight - the perpetrator, the home owner got charged and his friend.
2. Neighbor reported the fight spilling onto the street. Meaning, the person killed was alive, and had left the house.
3. Police arrived to find the two men 'detained' the deceased.

So, it raises interesting question.
The law states right to self defense, yes.

However, the deceased was killed "OUTSIDE" the house, and was outnumbered by 2 to 1. IF, he was killed in the process of self defense inside house, then its a clear case. However, if he was killed as an attempt by two men trying to 'detain' him. Then, this case gets very muddled. The question will then be, when do the act of self defense end?

For example, say in a hypothetical case. A man defends against an attacker, the attack tries to run away. The man then gets into a car and run the attacker down killing him. Is this still self defense?

Very interesting case indeed.

Oh another thing is that the mother claimed that her son was invited to a party at the house. Now, was there a party at the house at the time? If so, how many people were there? Did the deceased know the home owner and his friend prior to breaking in? There are alot of loose ends to follow, and murder charges usually do not get laid very easily. I think this case, is not simply an innocent victim finding an intruder in the small hours of the morning.

A further sign of Ben Batterham's guilt is the two biggest losers on this forum GordyL and ian have taken his side. Definitely a bad portent for Ben Batterham.

You condemned the guy on the state of the exterior of his house.

Please PM me and I'll give you my home address so your mum can weep on camera tomorrow morning just like dear mum Beryl did and say how nice a 'fulla' you were
Cheesy

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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #305 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:39pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

Svengali wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

The other interesting facts from the article is this:

1. There were three men involved in the fight - the perpetrator, the home owner got charged and his friend.
2. Neighbor reported the fight spilling onto the street. Meaning, the person killed was alive, and had left the house.
3. Police arrived to find the two men 'detained' the deceased.

So, it raises interesting question.
The law states right to self defense, yes.

However, the deceased was killed "OUTSIDE" the house, and was outnumbered by 2 to 1. IF, he was killed in the process of self defense inside house, then its a clear case. However, if he was killed as an attempt by two men trying to 'detain' him. Then, this case gets very muddled. The question will then be, when do the act of self defense end?

For example, say in a hypothetical case. A man defends against an attacker, the attack tries to run away. The man then gets into a car and run the attacker down killing him. Is this still self defense?

Very interesting case indeed.

Oh another thing is that the mother claimed that her son was invited to a party at the house. Now, was there a party at the house at the time? If so, how many people were there? Did the deceased know the home owner and his friend prior to breaking in? There are alot of loose ends to follow, and murder charges usually do not get laid very easily. I think this case, is not simply an innocent victim finding an intruder in the small hours of the morning.

A further sign of Ben Batterham's guilt is the two biggest losers on this forum GordyL and ian have taken his side. Definitely a bad portent for Ben Batterham.

You condemned the guy on the state of the exterior of his house.

Please PM me and I'll give you my home address so your mum can weep on camera tomorrow morning just like dear mum Beryl did and say how nice a 'fulla' you were
Cheesy

Can you wait until I locate and purchase a biohazard suit? Will your 'mate' ian be there to make it a fair fight?

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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #306 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:58pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

I don't think race have much to do here. My view is that there are simply too many questions raised that do not follow the logic of an innocent home owner trying to defend his home and family from an intruder.

Of course race plays a part. Haven't you noticed the family of aborigines sobbing the media has been parading around. I've never seen that before. This is political.

The media can do whatever they like. But, in terms of the case itself. It has got questions that need to be answered, and it does not seem to be a clear cut case.

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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #307 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 1:04pm

Svengali wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:39pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

Svengali wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

The other interesting facts from the article is this:

1. There were three men involved in the fight - the perpetrator, the home owner got charged and his friend.
2. Neighbor reported the fight spilling onto the street. Meaning, the person killed was alive, and had left the house.
3. Police arrived to find the two men 'detained' the deceased.

So, it raises interesting question.
The law states right to self defense, yes.

However, the deceased was killed "OUTSIDE" the house, and was outnumbered by 2 to 1. IF, he was killed in the process of self defense inside house, then its a clear case. However, if he was killed as an attempt by two men trying to 'detain' him. Then, this case gets very muddled. The question will then be, when do the act of self defense end?

For example, say in a hypothetical case. A man defends against an attacker, the attack tries to run away. The man then gets into a car and run the attacker down killing him. Is this still self defense?

Very interesting case indeed.

Oh another thing is that the mother claimed that her son was invited to a party at the house. Now, was there a party at the house at the time? If so, how many people were there? Did the deceased know the home owner and his friend prior to breaking in? There are alot of loose ends to follow, and murder charges usually do not get laid very easily. I think this case, is not simply an innocent victim finding an intruder in the small hours of the morning.

A further sign of Ben Batterham's guilt is the two biggest losers on this forum GordyL and ian have taken his side. Definitely a bad portent for Ben Batterham.

You condemned the guy on the state of the exterior of his house.

Please PM me and I'll give you my home address so your mum can weep on camera tomorrow morning just like dear mum Beryl did and say how nice a 'fulla' you were
Cheesy

Can you wait until I locate and purchase a biohazard suit? Will your 'mate' ian be there to make it a fair fight?

A proletarian like you couldn't even get a visitor pass to my suburb.

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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #308 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 1:12pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

I don't think race have much to do here. My view is that there are simply too many questions raised that do not follow the logic of an innocent home owner trying to defend his home and family from an intruder.

Of course race plays a part.

Not in the real world (in this particular case).

Or, are you suggesting that he was murdered because of his race?

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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #309 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 1:13pm

GordyL wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 1:04pm:

Svengali wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:39pm:

GordyL wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:17pm:

Svengali wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:06pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

The other interesting facts from the article is this:

1. There were three men involved in the fight - the perpetrator, the home owner got charged and his friend.
2. Neighbor reported the fight spilling onto the street. Meaning, the person killed was alive, and had left the house.
3. Police arrived to find the two men 'detained' the deceased.

So, it raises interesting question.
The law states right to self defense, yes.

However, the deceased was killed "OUTSIDE" the house, and was outnumbered by 2 to 1. IF, he was killed in the process of self defense inside house, then its a clear case. However, if he was killed as an attempt by two men trying to 'detain' him. Then, this case gets very muddled. The question will then be, when do the act of self defense end?

For example, say in a hypothetical case. A man defends against an attacker, the attack tries to run away. The man then gets into a car and run the attacker down killing him. Is this still self defense?

Very interesting case indeed.

Oh another thing is that the mother claimed that her son was invited to a party at the house. Now, was there a party at the house at the time? If so, how many people were there? Did the deceased know the home owner and his friend prior to breaking in? There are alot of loose ends to follow, and murder charges usually do not get laid very easily. I think this case, is not simply an innocent victim finding an intruder in the small hours of the morning.

A further sign of Ben Batterham's guilt is the two biggest losers on this forum GordyL and ian have taken his side. Definitely a bad portent for Ben Batterham.

You condemned the guy on the state of the exterior of his house.

Please PM me and I'll give you my home address so your mum can weep on camera tomorrow morning just like dear mum Beryl did and say how nice a 'fulla' you were
Cheesy

Can you wait until I locate and purchase a biohazard suit? Will your 'mate' ian be there to make it a fair fight?

A proletarian like you couldn't even get a visitor pass to my suburb.

I can buy a kilt and sporran at Salvation army shop and disguise myself. See you jimmy!

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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #310 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 1:32pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 6:35pm:

Mr Peccary....yeas I acknowledge the fact it is a Yahoo source, but here ya go:

Link.

From link:
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Laws around using force in self-defense have been changed in New South Wales after a number of controversial cases.

“You can in fact use whatever force you think is necessary to save yourself,” Sam Macdeone from Macedone Legal told 7 News.

Interesting. Wink

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Svengali Gold Member Offline Please don't thank me Posts: 3474 Gender:	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #311 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 2:18pm Perhaps Ben Batterham observed Ricky Slater-Dickson attempting to turn into a Scotsman and intervened to prevent it? That is the only defense to the charge of murder in this case:
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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #312 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 2:44pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

I don't think race have much to do here. My view is that there are simply too many questions raised that do not follow the logic of an innocent home owner trying to defend his home and family from an intruder.

Of course race plays a part.

Not in the real world (in this particular case).

Or, are you suggesting that he was murdered because of his race?

Nope. It's just that you do-gooders are making a fuss because of his race.

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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #313 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 2:54pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 2:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

I don't think race have much to do here. My view is that there are simply too many questions raised that do not follow the logic of an innocent home owner trying to defend his home and family from an intruder.

Of course race plays a part.

Not in the real world (in this particular case).

Or, are you suggesting that he was murdered because of his race?

Nope. It's just that you do-gooders are making a fuss because of his race.

you're the one that bought race into the debate Cheesy

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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #314 - Mar 29^th, 2016 at 3:00pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 2:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:13pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:10pm:

I don't think race have much to do here. My view is that there are simply too many questions raised that do not follow the logic of an innocent home owner trying to defend his home and family from an intruder.

Of course race plays a part.

Not in the real world (in this particular case).

Or, are you suggesting that he was murdered because of his race?

Nope. It's just that you do-gooders are making a fuss because of his race.

Nobody is making a fuss about his race.

Nobody except you.

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