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Reply #30 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

If he don't wake up, like in the scenario being discussed, where do you go from there?

Be a man, call the police, and tell the truth.

It's not even something I'd need to think twice about.

I doubt you would ever find yourself defending your family or anyone else greggy, being as your a gutless coward and would never put yourself in harms way for any reason.

So lets not kid anyone about what you would or would not do.

You would abandon your family and save yourself at all costs, wouldn't you?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 139692 Gender:	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #31 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:07pm GordyL wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 3:57pm: I'll be interested to hear the full story but it's a real worry if you can no longer defend yourself in your own home. Who said "you can no longer defend yourself in your own home"?
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Reply #32 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:07pm

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If it wasn't a REAL threat, there's no need for such a reaction in the first place.

There you go. You've now got it in a nutshell. Real threat....real reaction in response is justified, and the Crown has the onus of proving beyond reasonable doubt that the reaction was not justified in all the circumstances as they have been established beyond reasonable doubt.

Let's wait for all the facts to emerge.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 139692 Gender:	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #33 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:11pm BigOl64 wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:06pm: would never put yourself in harms way for any reason. Planting a weapon on an unarmed man,"on his back out cold", is hardly putting yourself in harm's way. It's the act of a dishonest coward. No surprise that you would support such an illegal act, though.
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Reply #34 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:13pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

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If it wasn't a REAL threat, there's no need for such a reaction in the first place.

There you go. You've now got it in a nutshell. Real threat....real reaction in response is justified, and the Crown has the onus of proving beyond reasonable doubt that the reaction was not justified in all the circumstances as they have been established beyond reasonable doubt.

Let's wait for all the facts to emerge.

Exactly.

Bloody lucky he had a witness and someone available to give him a hand, who was then released without charge.

Someone else might not have been so lucky.

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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #35 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:22pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

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If it wasn't a REAL threat, there's no need for such a reaction in the first place.

There you go. You've now got it in a nutshell. Real threat....real reaction in response is justified, and the Crown has the onus of proving beyond reasonable doubt that the reaction was not justified in all the circumstances as they have been established beyond reasonable doubt.

Let's wait for all the facts to emerge.

Exactly.

Bloody lucky he had a witness and someone available to give him a hand, who was then released without charge.

Someone else might not have been so lucky.

Lack of a witness makes the job tougher for the Crown, as, unless there is relevant forensic evidence, the only evidence will be that of the 'accused' assuming he told the Coppers or the Court anything. He has no obligation to do either, and all he has to fear in such a circumstance is some corrupt arsehole Copper fabricating evidence at the crime scene, as Mr Baron recommends.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75225 Gender:	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #36 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:30pm just saw on the news ... the thief had a broken neck. If the home owner has had any sort of unarmed combat training, he's screwed. If the thief broke his neck in a fall, the homeowner might get lucky
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Reply #37 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:08pm

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

If he don't wake up, like in the scenario being discussed, where do you go from there?

Be a man, call the police, and tell the truth.

It's not even something I'd need to think twice about.

I doubt you would ever find yourself defending your family or anyone else greggy, being as your a gutless coward and would never put yourself in harms way for any reason.

So lets not kid anyone about what you would or would not do.

You would abandon your family and save yourself at all costs, wouldn't you?

Well said BiGOl,

Greggy needs to grow some balls.

He reminds me of Dr Smith.

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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #38 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:10pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:08pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

If he don't wake up, like in the scenario being discussed, where do you go from there?

Be a man, call the police, and tell the truth.

It's not even something I'd need to think twice about.

I doubt you would ever find yourself defending your family or anyone else greggy, being as your a gutless coward and would never put yourself in harms way for any reason.

So lets not kid anyone about what you would or would not do.

You would abandon your family and save yourself at all costs, wouldn't you?

Well said BiGOl,

Greggy needs to grow some balls.

He reminds me of Dr Smith.

Booby: can I post those PMs you sent me, asking for sexual favours, in the forum?

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 107087 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #39 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:13pm Greggy - you're a pain.
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Reply #40 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:35pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:06pm:

would never put yourself in harms way for any reason.

Planting a weapon on an unarmed man,"on his back out cold", is hardly putting yourself in harm's way.

It's the act of a dishonest coward.

No surprise that you would support such an illegal act, though.

Apologist. Disgusting apologist.

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Reply #41 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:55pm

Frank wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:06pm:

would never put yourself in harms way for any reason.

Planting a weapon on an unarmed man,"on his back out cold", is hardly putting yourself in harm's way.

It's the act of a dishonest coward.

No surprise that you would support such an illegal act, though.

Apologist. Disgusting apologist.

Who is he apologising for "Frank."

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 139692 Gender:	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #42 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:55pm Bobby. wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:13pm: Greggy - you're a pain. Sir Booby: do I have your consent to post the PMs you've sent me?
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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #43 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:59pm

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

Good advice. Only my story would be he attacked me with the knife and i managed to get it off him and was in fear of my life so had to stab him. No need to leave any witnesses, that would only go against you in court.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #44 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:00pm John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:30pm: just saw on the news ... the thief had a broken neck. If the home owner has had any sort of unarmed combat training, he's screwed. If the thief broke his neck in a fall, the homeowner might get lucky nonsense.
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