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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 139706 Gender:	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #45 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:01pm Sir Booby: do I have your consent to post the PMs you've sent me?
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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #46 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:07pm

ian wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:59pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

Good advice. Only my story would be he attacked me with the knife and i managed to get it off him and was in fear of my life so had to stab him. No need to leave any witnesses, that would only go against you in court.

In fear of an unarmed man.

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #47 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:10pm I must be really bad, no calling the cops, no body found. Nah not really, but I would put up a reasonable fight. FBD,s is the answer tho (Very Big Dogs)
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innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #48 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:18pm I think its an amazing coincidence that all the members here are lawyers, what are the odds of that happening
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 139706 Gender:	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #49 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:19pm innocentbystander. wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:18pm: I think Link?
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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #50 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:30pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:22pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

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If it wasn't a REAL threat, there's no need for such a reaction in the first place.

There you go. You've now got it in a nutshell. Real threat....real reaction in response is justified, and the Crown has the onus of proving beyond reasonable doubt that the reaction was not justified in all the circumstances as they have been established beyond reasonable doubt.

Let's wait for all the facts to emerge.

Exactly.

Bloody lucky he had a witness and someone available to give him a hand, who was then released without charge.

Someone else might not have been so lucky.

Lack of a witness makes the job tougher for the Crown, as, unless there is relevant forensic evidence, the only evidence will be that of the 'accused' assuming he told the Coppers or the Court anything. He has no obligation to do either, and all he has to fear in such a circumstance is some corrupt arsehole Copper fabricating evidence at the crime scene, as Mr Baron recommends.

Can't let it go, can you? The jibe against the coppers.

The police, like any other club or group, act in the ways allowed/condoned by their bosses/superiors. The legal profession is no different.

The vast majority of citizens in this country are are decent, law-abiding people who possess a great deal of common sense and regard for one another. They are not 'sheeple', they are the future of humanity.The boundaries they set, as a collective, are for the greater good. They are pretty good at self-policing their own societies.

It's not our fault that because of the way today's society is structured that arseh0les rise to positions of power.

If you want to have a go at someone, pick on the politicians and those that influence them.

In fact, it's that very same structure, that of influenced governance, from ancient times, that has led to almost all the rebellions in the world.

Humanity, in its evolution, still has to rid itself of the limbic system. Until such times as it does, we 'civilised' people will still have to deal with the animals in our midst and amongst our leadership.

The quickest way to speed this process is to arm the populace, remove warning labels and use-by dates, and let nature take its course.

But it's not allowed.

Work that out.

In the meantime, we take our chances as we find them.

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Toughen up, Australia!

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 139706 Gender:	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #51 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:33pm Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:30pm: It's not our fault that because of the way today's society is structured that arseh0les rise to positions of power. A very good friend of mine wrote a song on that subject.
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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #52 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:38pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:07pm:

ian wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:59pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

Good advice. Only my story would be he attacked me with the knife and i managed to get it off him and was in fear of my life so had to stab him. No need to leave any witnesses, that would only go against you in court.

In fear of an unarmed man.

Grin

sure. Anyone who breaks into my house is a threat to be eliminated with prejudice. Fear, aka fight or flight can be channelled either way. In your case it would be run away, cower and call the police. In mine it would be defend the castle to the death. Life threatening situations are actually quite a buzz Greggary, better than sex.

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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #53 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:40pm

ian wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:07pm:

ian wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:59pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

Good advice. Only my story would be he attacked me with the knife and i managed to get it off him and was in fear of my life so had to stab him. No need to leave any witnesses, that would only go against you in court.

In fear of an unarmed man.

Grin

sure. Anyone who breaks into my house is a threat to be eliminated with prejudice. Fear, aka fight or flight can be channelled either way. In your case it would be run away, cower and call the police. In mine it would be defend the castle to the death.

You invented a story, where he had a knife Grin

You're frightened of a lie Grin

This is so funny.

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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #54 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:42pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

ian wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:07pm:

ian wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:59pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

Good advice. Only my story would be he attacked me with the knife and i managed to get it off him and was in fear of my life so had to stab him. No need to leave any witnesses, that would only go against you in court.

In fear of an unarmed man.

Grin

sure. Anyone who breaks into my house is a threat to be eliminated with prejudice. Fear, aka fight or flight can be channelled either way. In your case it would be run away, cower and call the police. In mine it would be defend the castle to the death.

You invented a story, where he had a knife Grin

You're frightened of a lie Grin

This is so funny.

Im fearful of going to jail. I would certainly lie and fabricate to prevent that, Not sure why you find that funny but each to their own.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 139706 Gender:	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #55 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:43pm ian wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:42pm: I would certainly lie and fabricate And there we have it.
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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #56 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:45pm

ian wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

ian wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:07pm:

ian wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:59pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

Good advice. Only my story would be he attacked me with the knife and i managed to get it off him and was in fear of my life so had to stab him. No need to leave any witnesses, that would only go against you in court.

In fear of an unarmed man.

Grin

sure. Anyone who breaks into my house is a threat to be eliminated with prejudice. Fear, aka fight or flight can be channelled either way. In your case it would be run away, cower and call the police. In mine it would be defend the castle to the death.

You invented a story, where he had a knife Grin

You're frightened of a lie Grin

This is so funny.

Im fearful of going to jail. I would certainly lie and fabricate to prevent that, Not sure why you find that funny but each to their own.

You don;t need to "lie and fabricate" if you don;t stab an unarmed person.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Charged for defending your own home Reply #57 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:45pm Im sure that was obvious when i stated I would invent the knife attack. Took you a while to catch on there Greggary
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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #58 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:46pm

mothra wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:45pm:

ian wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

ian wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:07pm:

ian wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 9:59pm:

red baron wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 6:19pm:

If you encounter an intruder and if you have a massive fight in which you come out on top and the intruder on his back out cold. Just make sure you don't overlook 'that knife' in the intruder's hand which is in situ before you call the cavalry in. And make sure your prints aren't all over 'that intruder's' knife hey? Wink

Good advice. Only my story would be he attacked me with the knife and i managed to get it off him and was in fear of my life so had to stab him. No need to leave any witnesses, that would only go against you in court.

In fear of an unarmed man.

Grin

sure. Anyone who breaks into my house is a threat to be eliminated with prejudice. Fear, aka fight or flight can be channelled either way. In your case it would be run away, cower and call the police. In mine it would be defend the castle to the death.

You invented a story, where he had a knife Grin

You're frightened of a lie Grin

This is so funny.

Im fearful of going to jail. I would certainly lie and fabricate to prevent that, Not sure why you find that funny but each to their own.

You don;t need to "lie and fabricate" if you don;t stab an unarmed person.

Your point?

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Re: Charged for defending your own home
Reply #59 - Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:46pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 10:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:22pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:13pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 27^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

Quote:

If it wasn't a REAL threat, there's no need for such a reaction in the first place.

There you go. You've now got it in a nutshell. Real threat....real reaction in response is justified, and the Crown has the onus of proving beyond reasonable doubt that the reaction was not justified in all the circumstances as they have been established beyond reasonable doubt.

Let's wait for all the facts to emerge.

Exactly.

Bloody lucky he had a witness and someone available to give him a hand, who was then released without charge.

Someone else might not have been so lucky.

Lack of a witness makes the job tougher for the Crown, as, unless there is relevant forensic evidence, the only evidence will be that of the 'accused' assuming he told the Coppers or the Court anything. He has no obligation to do either, and all he has to fear in such a circumstance is some corrupt arsehole Copper fabricating evidence at the crime scene, as Mr Baron recommends.

Can't let it go, can you? The jibe against the coppers.

The police, like any other club or group, act in the ways allowed/condoned by their bosses/superiors. The legal profession is no different.

The vast majority of citizens in this country are are decent, law-abiding people who possess a great deal of common sense and regard for one another. They are not 'sheeple', they are the future of humanity.The boundaries they set, as a collective, are for the greater good. They are pretty good at self-policing their own societies.

It's not our fault that because of the way today's society is structured that arseh0les rise to positions of power.

If you want to have a go at someone, pick on the politicians and those that influence them.

In fact, it's that very same structure, that of influenced governance, from ancient times, that has led to almost all the rebellions in the world.

Humanity, in its evolution, still has to rid itself of the limbic system. Until such times as it does, we 'civilised' people will still have to deal with the animals in our midst and amongst our leadership.

The quickest way to speed this process is to arm the populace, remove warning labels and use-by dates, and let nature take its course.

But it's not allowed.

Work that out.

In the meantime, we take our chances as we find them.

That rant is.....irrelevant. The 'legal profession' plays no part in the investigation of a crime until (at the earliest) someone is arrested for that crime. Then, we are all over it if we have been engaged by the accused person.

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