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A Short Term Fix To Silence State Leaders
Mar 28th, 2016 at 6:48am
 
Australian Medical Association welcomes prospect of COAG funding deal

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    March 27, 2016
    Sydney Morning Herald



Catherine King criticised the potential funding deal, calling it a short-term fix to silence state leaders in the lead-up to the federal election.   Sad

The doctors' peak body has hailed the prospect of a $7 billion emergency hospitals funding deal between Canberra and the states as a welcome break from the policies of the previous Abbott government.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull will meet premiers and chief ministers on Friday for a much-anticipated Council of Australian Governments (COAG) meeting, with health and education funding at the top of the agenda.

As well as extra money for hospitals, the leaders will also discuss NSW Premier Mike Baird's plan to spread out the final two years of Gonski school funding across four years.

The states have been pushing hard for the government to backtrack on an $80 billion cut to funding for schools and hospitals announced by the Abbott government in its first budget.


Mr Turnbull has assured state leaders he would provide interim funding in the May budget to help meet the growing costs of running their hospitals.

Mr Turnbull has said hospital funding is "a big issue", but stressed that any new spending would have to be paid for. Treasurer Scott Morrison has stressed that, unlike the federal government, many states are in surplus.

The Australian Medical Association (AMA), which has been a fierce critic of many of the Coalition's health policies, welcomed the prospect of a COAG deal on hospitals.

"There is no doubt this will make a difference – it means states and territories will be much better placed to preserve important hospital services," AMA President Brian Owler said.

"People can argue about whether it should be $20 billion, but this would take a lot of pressure off the states.

"This has been going on since the 2014 budget. It is the No.1 policy issue in health that has to be sorted."

The AMA has warned that patients with life-threatening conditions such as cancer would have to wait longer for surgery, and emergency departments would be hit by delays unless the funding cuts were addressed.

But Labor health spokeswoman Catherine King slammed the potential deal as a short-term fix to silence state leaders in the lead-up to the federal election.   Sad

"This is patients once again being held hostage to Malcolm Turnbull's attempt to save his job with a pre-election bribe on hospital funding," she said.

Ms King said $7 billion in extra funding would be a "drop in the ocean" compared with $57 billion in funding reductions to hospitals announced in the 2014 budget.   Sad

Under a compromise proposal for schools made by Mr Baird, the federal government would pay $3.2 billion to the states over four years instead of $4.5 billion over two.

But this is likely to face strong resistance from other states, especially the Labor states, who are demanding Labor's six-year Gonski funding deals be honoured in full.

Education Minister Simon Birmingham recently blasted the states and territories for having the "gall" to complain about insufficient federal education funding when they have failed to invest in their own schools.
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Reply #1 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:19am
 
When you consider it is less than half of what they have taken out of health and not likely to survive much past the election you wonder if a cynical approach is justified.
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Reply #2 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:24am
 
What it is is a reversal of Abborts furked up policies. Don't tell me Turdbull has finally grown a set. Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
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After spending 3 years taking money out of health, putting a little back in the lead up to an election has absolutely no credibility.

We all know that if they were to be re elected that they would spend another 3 years taking money out of health and education.
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Reply #4 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:35am
 
call me cynical, but i dont think the problem with the health system is money but rather bureaucracy.   there are 3 administrators for every healthcare worker.  when more money becomes available they hire more staff - admin staff.  Here in SA the state govt has spent $2B building a replacement adelaide hospital... with LESS BEDS.

rather obviously, we need less admin staff and more healthcare staff and possibly someone who can work out that a growing population needs a BIGGER hospital, not a smaller one.

it is a black-hole where money can be poured in and not positive outcomes.  look at the federal government departments for hospitals and education with 9000 staff and they dont run a single school or hospital.
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Reply #5 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:27am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:35am:
call me cynical, but i dont think the problem with the health system is money but rather bureaucracy.   there are 3 administrators for every healthcare worker.  when more money becomes available they hire more staff - admin staff.  Here in SA the state govt has spent $2B building a replacement adelaide hospital... with LESS BEDS.

rather obviously, we need less admin staff and more healthcare staff and possibly someone who can work out that a growing population needs a BIGGER hospital, not a smaller one.

it is a black-hole where money can be poured in and not positive outcomes.  look at the federal government departments for hospitals and education with 9000 staff and they dont run a single school or hospital.



couldnt agree more..

its a pigs mess.. the whole thing..

I was in hospital for a week.[hip replacement] not funny...needed lots of hand on help...but even when it came to giving me a pain killer [a pill] it took two or three people to give it to me...even in the middle of the night...often I had 4 people doing whatever..if you had a back rub... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes in the middle of the night even two burly blokes came and helped you on to your side...... really????...

dont even ask about the bed changing in the middle of the night...we were in with people with dementia..who had no control....one would even scream out in the middle of the night and fight with the staff..

what sort of system is that?????

its only Canberra though
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Reply #6 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 11:16am
 
cods wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:27am:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:35am:
call me cynical, but i dont think the problem with the health system is money but rather bureaucracy.   there are 3 administrators for every healthcare worker.  when more money becomes available they hire more staff - admin staff.  Here in SA the state govt has spent $2B building a replacement adelaide hospital... with LESS BEDS.

rather obviously, we need less admin staff and more healthcare staff and possibly someone who can work out that a growing population needs a BIGGER hospital, not a smaller one.

it is a black-hole where money can be poured in and not positive outcomes.  look at the federal government departments for hospitals and education with 9000 staff and they dont run a single school or hospital.



couldnt agree more..

its a pigs mess.. the whole thing..

I was in hospital for a week.[hip replacement] not funny...needed lots of hand on help...but even when it came to giving me a pain killer [a pill] it took two or three people to give it to me...even in the middle of the night...often I had 4 people doing whatever..if you had a back rub... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes in the middle of the night even two burly blokes came and helped you on to your side...... really????...

dont even ask about the bed changing in the middle of the night...we were in with people with dementia..who had no control....one would even scream out in the middle of the night and fight with the staff..

what sort of system is that?????

its only Canberra though


painkillers are ALWAYS administered by two nurses for reasons I hope dont need explaining.
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Reply #7 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 11:26am
 
cods wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:27am:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:35am:
call me cynical, but i dont think the problem with the health system is money but rather bureaucracy.   there are 3 administrators for every healthcare worker.  when more money becomes available they hire more staff - admin staff.  Here in SA the state govt has spent $2B building a replacement adelaide hospital... with LESS BEDS.

rather obviously, we need less admin staff and more healthcare staff and possibly someone who can work out that a growing population needs a BIGGER hospital, not a smaller one.

it is a black-hole where money can be poured in and not positive outcomes.  look at the federal government departments for hospitals and education with 9000 staff and they dont run a single school or hospital.



couldnt agree more..

its a pigs mess.. the whole thing..

I was in hospital for a week.[hip replacement] not funny...needed lots of hand on help...but even when it came to giving me a pain killer [a pill] it took two or three people to give it to me...even in the middle of the night...often I had 4 people doing whatever..if you had a back rub... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes in the middle of the night even two burly blokes came and helped you on to your side...... really????...

dont even ask about the bed changing in the middle of the night...we were in with people with dementia..who had no control....one would even scream out in the middle of the night and fight with the staff..

what sort of system is that?????

its only Canberra though


There's a reason for having more than one person present when administering certain drugs. When I worked as a nurse certain drugs could only be accessed and/or administered by two people. This was because drugs like morphine (and other opiates) are a controlled substance and must be kept under lock and key at all times, with any unused drugs remaining in vials being destroyed under supervision. All drugs taken from the safe (yes, they are kept in a locked safe at all times) are accounted for in a ledger which is signed off by two nurses. Both nurses must be present when the drug is administered and note this, so that the drug is not simply taken by the nurse or self-medicated by the nurse. While it may seem like overkill sometimes, there are usually very good reasons as to why more than one nurse attends to a patient. Sometimes it's because of drugs and sometimes it's because of WHS, such as when dealing with obese patients, because back injuries are the number one cause of workers compensation claims by nurses in Australia.
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Reply #8 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 11:29am
 
cods wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:27am:
in the middle of the night even two burly blokes came and helped you on to your side...... really



one to turn you over and the other to disinfect and console him
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Reply #9 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 2:04pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 11:26am:
cods wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:27am:
longweekend58 wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:35am:
call me cynical, but i dont think the problem with the health system is money but rather bureaucracy.   there are 3 administrators for every healthcare worker.  when more money becomes available they hire more staff - admin staff.  Here in SA the state govt has spent $2B building a replacement adelaide hospital... with LESS BEDS.

rather obviously, we need less admin staff and more healthcare staff and possibly someone who can work out that a growing population needs a BIGGER hospital, not a smaller one.

it is a black-hole where money can be poured in and not positive outcomes.  look at the federal government departments for hospitals and education with 9000 staff and they dont run a single school or hospital.



couldnt agree more..

its a pigs mess.. the whole thing..

I was in hospital for a week.[hip replacement] not funny...needed lots of hand on help...but even when it came to giving me a pain killer [a pill] it took two or three people to give it to me...even in the middle of the night...often I had 4 people doing whatever..if you had a back rub... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes in the middle of the night even two burly blokes came and helped you on to your side...... really????...

dont even ask about the bed changing in the middle of the night...we were in with people with dementia..who had no control....one would even scream out in the middle of the night and fight with the staff..

what sort of system is that?????

its only Canberra though


There's a reason for having more than one person present when administering certain drugs. When I worked as a nurse certain drugs could only be accessed and/or administered by two people. This was because drugs like morphine (and other opiates) are a controlled substance and must be kept under lock and key at all times, with any unused drugs remaining in vials being destroyed under supervision. All drugs taken from the safe (yes, they are kept in a locked safe at all times) are accounted for in a ledger which is signed off by two nurses. Both nurses must be present when the drug is administered and note this, so that the drug is not simply taken by the nurse or self-medicated by the nurse. While it may seem like overkill sometimes, there are usually very good reasons as to why more than one nurse attends to a patient. Sometimes it's because of drugs and sometimes it's because of WHS, such as when dealing with obese patients, because back injuries are the number one cause of workers compensation claims by nurses in Australia.



i realise that thank you... but it adds to the COST doesnt it.. or maybe they are volunteers you experts would know I am sure.


they want your name and  date of birth every time as well....

I appreciate they dont do it for the fun of it.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I am just stating how the health SERVICE has changed  even in the past few years...

is it overkill I wouldnt know all I do know is.. we are paying an awful lot out.... and not necessarily efficiently...


and no one wants to pay for it????>.

they think it can go on forever [with extras]   at not cost to them. Roll Eyes

it makes sense to some.
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