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An election which will not resolve anything
Mar 28th, 2016 at 7:58am
 
If the polls are right then the coalition  will be re-elected.  But will it be able to govern?  Based on past history it will not. I base that observation on the recent history of the Liberal Party.

Few made much of the party room election which saw Tony Abbott elected as leader.  We did not pay much heed to the fact that he was elected on the narrowest of margins – his own vote saw him secure the leadership.  We did not pay much notice because our political tradition held that once the question of leadership has been settled the party unites behind the new leader and get on with business.

For a time that seemed to be the case.  Tony Abbot certainly seemed to know how to run an effective election campaign in 2010 the Liberals came close to being able to form government. The reason they didn’t tends to be dismissed on the grounds that the Independents were traitors to their conservative electorates – these were notionally Liberal seats and the expectation was that they would simply fall into line and ensure a Liberal Government.

Why did the independent not fall into line?  Were they closet Labor supporters?  The accounts given by the Independents show that it was Tony Abbott’s poor negotiating skills that cost the Liberals government.  Again at the time we may not have picked up on that but recent experience suggests that it may well have been an accurate representation of events.

Despite its many difficulties the Gillard Government was surprisingly effective steering an ambitious legislative programme through both the reps and the senate.  Abbott’s guerrilla warfare ultimately succeeded not only forcing a return of Kevin 07 but ultimately in sweeping the Coalition to power in 2013.

From the outset Abbott’s government remained confrontational.  Whilst it had served it well in opposition it was clear that there was no reset button on the rhetoric.  The first months were marred by promises broken and a pre-occupation on what may be described as negative policies – no carbon tax, stopping the boats became the mantra but there was no vision of what the government was planning.  A disastrous first budget had Abbott’s fingerprints all over it and was to be the harbinger of his doom.

Spooked by the polls the Party Room finally had enough and replaced Abbott with Turnbull.  Judging by the polls it was a smart decision but that sizeable rump of Abbott’s supporters remained unconvinced.  Turnbull has been ineffective, the Liberal right has behaves like the American Tea Party – absolutely convinced that they are right they will not brook any compromise.

So we are now facing an election – assuming that the polls are right, we will see a Turnbull government elected.  The problem is that we will have elected a house divided. This is already becoming evident – Tony Abbott has come out strongly to claim that the Turnbull government deserves to be re elected  because of Abbott’s legacy.  He has a point, Turnbull has not been able to divest himself of Abbott’s legacy, but it is precisely that legacy which crippled his government. Traditionally our political system acknowledges that there are many diverse opinions and that the role of government is to develop policies that ensure that we can all agree that the legislative programme has been developed so that it is in the interest of all Australians.  Yet we will be electing a government in which close to half of its members does not see it like that.

A Turnbull government will be a lame duck government because Turnbull does not have the authority within his party to govern.  A significant rump will continue to regard him as an imposter and will do everything they can to undermine him and re-instate Abbott.

And what of the Senate?  Will the changes result in a Senate that is less fractious?  Somehow I doubt it – if anything the new voting system will encourage people like me to vote for anyone who is not affiliated with any of the major parties, who does not have the smell of a professional politician.

As the old curse aptly puts it we are living in interesting times…


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Re: An election which will not resolve anything
Reply #1 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:54am
 
its sad isnt it......we seem to have govts that spend more time in fighting than they do running the country..

we do not seem to create LEADERS anymore...

people that if nothing else you respected them...

now the leaders we have KNOW they are jokes..

bad jokes not funny jokes.....

they are there because they are jackals...

they stole what they have...yes thats correct both our leaders...took .....from someone who was ELECTED ..

and to the voters credit... it appalled them..

both leaders are JUDAS'.. they are tainted...

its really isnt about the party anymore..

even thats getting lost in the greed for POWER.

I dont know about lefties...

but I am not a happy Liberal....
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Re: An election which will not resolve anything
Reply #2 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:26am
 
cods wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 8:54am:
its sad isnt it......we seem to have govts that spend more time in fighting than they do running the country..

we do not seem to create LEADERS anymore...

people that if nothing else you respected them...

now the leaders we have KNOW they are jokes..

bad jokes not funny jokes.....

they are there because they are jackals...

they stole what they have...yes thats correct both our leaders...took .....from someone who was ELECTED ..

and to the voters credit... it appalled them..

both leaders are JUDAS'.. they are tainted...

its really isnt about the party anymore..

even thats getting lost in the greed for POWER.

I dont know about lefties...

but I am not a happy Liberal....


John Howard was the last great PM this country had. His ability to negotiate was second-to-none, as we saw with his ability to pass legislation for the greatest change to our taxation system - the Goods and Services Tax (GST). He also negotiated a tougher stance with Indonesia, as opposed to the submissive style of previous Labor Prime Minister's, all without any detrimental effects on the relationship with our northern neighbour. He is without doubt one of the greatest Prime Minister's this country ever had and we're a better country for it. Rudd and Gillard were unmitigated disasters, while Abbott never achieved his full potential thanks to being handed a brutally damaged budget drowning in debt and a vindictive and openly hostile Senate that just hated him and did not serve in the best interests of this country. Both of these obstacles severely hampered his ability to carry out the agenda on which he was elected and ultimately lead to his downfall at the hands of Turnbull.
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Reply #3 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:31am
 
The Howard government have had their time.  Now they are where they belong.  In the rubbish bin of history.  With their Workchoices.   ( no choices )     Sad 
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Reply #4 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:33am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:26am:
John Howard was the last great PM this country had. His ability to negotiate was second-to-none, as we saw with his ability to pass legislation for the greatest change to our taxation system - the Goods and Services Tax (GST). He also negotiated a tougher stance with Indonesia, as opposed to the submissive style of previous Labor Prime Minister's, all without any detrimental effects on the relationship with our northern neighbour. He is without doubt one of the greatest Prime Minister's this country ever had and we're a better country for it. Rudd and Gillard were unmitigated disasters, while Abbott never achieved his full potential thanks to being handed a brutally damaged budget drowning in debt and a vindictive and openly hostile Senate that just hated him and did not serve in the best interests of this country. Both of these obstacles severely hampered his ability to carry out the agenda on which he was elected and ultimately lead to his downfall at the hands of Turnbull.



This thread is about the upcoming election nothing to do with John Howard.

If you want to praise Howard start your own thread.
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Re: An election which will not resolve anything
Reply #5 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:34am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:26am:
John Howard was the last great PM this country had



that proves you are an id iot
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Re: An election which will not resolve anything
Reply #6 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:35am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:34am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:26am:
John Howard was the last great PM this country had



that proves you are an id iot


Nothing of substance to refute my opinion again, eh? Your loss.
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Re: An election which will not resolve anything
Reply #7 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:35am
 
Which ever side of our two-party (one party in disguise) government 'wins' - we the people will be the losers one way or the other, and always will be until a new party with a genuine interest in working for the electors holds power.

Again I will not be voting for either of them, nor for their sellout Greens running dog.
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Re: An election which will not resolve anything
Reply #8 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:37am
 
Labor voter wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:33am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:26am:
John Howard was the last great PM this country had. His ability to negotiate was second-to-none, as we saw with his ability to pass legislation for the greatest change to our taxation system - the Goods and Services Tax (GST). He also negotiated a tougher stance with Indonesia, as opposed to the submissive style of previous Labor Prime Minister's, all without any detrimental effects on the relationship with our northern neighbour. He is without doubt one of the greatest Prime Minister's this country ever had and we're a better country for it. Rudd and Gillard were unmitigated disasters, while Abbott never achieved his full potential thanks to being handed a brutally damaged budget drowning in debt and a vindictive and openly hostile Senate that just hated him and did not serve in the best interests of this country. Both of these obstacles severely hampered his ability to carry out the agenda on which he was elected and ultimately lead to his downfall at the hands of Turnbull.



This thread is about the upcoming election nothing to do with John Howard.

If you want to praise Howard start your own thread.


Turnbull has reportedly taken advice from Howard in regard to the upcoming election and he still wields considerable influence with the Liberals, so I'd say he's very relevant to this thread.
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Reply #9 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:38am
 
Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:35am:
Which ever side of our two-party (one party in disguise) government 'wins' - we the people will be the losers one way or the other, and always will be until a new party with a genuine interest in working for the electors holds power.

Again I will not be voting for either of them, nor for their sellout Greens running dog.


So you'll vote for an inconsequential independent who will serve little or no purpose in a revamped Senate following changes to electoral laws recently passed to negate the power of independents and micro-parties? Great choice - if you want your vote to not count.
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Re: An election which will not resolve anything
Reply #10 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:40am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:35am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:34am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:26am:
John Howard was the last great PM this country had



that proves you are an id iot


Nothing of substance to refute my opinion again, eh? Your loss.



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Reply #11 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:41am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:40am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:35am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:34am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:26am:
John Howard was the last great PM this country had



that proves you are an id iot


Nothing of substance to refute my opinion again, eh? Your loss.



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Ok, off you go then back to your village. Bye bye.
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Reply #12 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:51am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:41am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:40am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:35am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:34am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 9:26am:
John Howard was the last great PM this country had



that proves you are an id iot


Nothing of substance to refute my opinion again, eh? Your loss.



https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5a/7d/76/5a7d76c039c3b1ecc1d251ef16c41...


Ok, off you go then back to your village. Bye bye.



thanks for proving my point ... only an idiot doesn't know what 'you' means
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Reply #13 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 11:32am
 
Turnbull's popularity is past its peak and has dropped sharply since the start of the year. It's not doing so for no reason.

If current opinion polling is replicated at the election, the Turnbull government will be returned with a very small majority of about 3 seats. Do we really want a government with such a small majority that is plagued by infighting until the following election?

If the Turnbull government is returned, it may well turn out to be a government that won one election too many. Such governments end up getting obliterated at the following election. Iemma's win in NSW in 2008 was one example. If this troubled government was to win with a small majority and then limp on for another three years, the Liberals could receive one of their heaviest ever election defeats at the next election and be likely to spend at least three terms in Opposition, perhaps more.

This election could well be a good one for the Coalition to lose.
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Reply #14 - Mar 28th, 2016 at 11:39am
 
Bam wrote on Mar 28th, 2016 at 11:32am:
Turnbull's popularity is past its peak and has dropped sharply since the start of the year. It's not doing so for no reason.

If current opinion polling is replicated at the election, the Turnbull government will be returned with a very small majority of about 3 seats. Do we really want a government with such a small majority that is plagued by infighting until the following election?

If the Turnbull government is returned, it may well turn out to be a government that won one election too many. Such governments end up getting obliterated at the following election. Iemma's win in NSW in 2008 was one example. If this troubled government was to win with a small majority and then limp on for another three years, the Liberals could receive one of their heaviest ever election defeats at the next election and be likely to spend at least three terms in Opposition, perhaps more.

This election could well be a good one for the Coalition to lose.


If Turnbull only has a majority of one seat but has a majority in the Senate, it won't matter in the House of Representatives. He'll be able to govern without the spineless antics of the micro parties and independents to stop him.
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