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Re: What left wing German feminist says about Cologne
Reply #30 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 4:51pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 4:39pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 4:10pm:

There will be blood in the streets before too long, whose is yet to be determined.

You've been waiting for this moment for quite some time, no?

You do realise we do not live in germany don't you, genius?

You are safer in this country from us, than we are from you.

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Re: What left wing German feminist says about Cologne
Reply #31 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 4:53pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 4:39pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 4:10pm:

There will be blood in the streets before too long, whose is yet to be determined.

You've been waiting for this moment for quite some time, no?

Well, there has been blood on the streets of Paris, Bruxelles, London etc for years.

But Westerners who don't like the regular bombings, beheadings and shooting by Muslims are called 'far right'. They are expected to live with and put up with it because anything else is what "ISIS wants" (the stupidest argument ever).
Muslim terrorists can be on the run in the capital of Europe for months, hiding in a vast network of helpful fellow Muslims. But if you notice that and say something you are 'dividing us'. As if hiding wanted terrorists for months wasn't divisive.

It is as if noticing the vast network of terrorist sympathisers was worse than the existence of the networks.

It's all very twisted and bizarre.

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Re: What left wing German feminist says about Cologne
Reply #32 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:15pm

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 4:51pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 4:39pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 4:10pm:

There will be blood in the streets before too long, whose is yet to be determined.

You've been waiting for this moment for quite some time, no?

You do realise we do not live in germany don't you, genius?

You are safer in this country from us, than we are from you.

True, Big. Don't drop the soap.

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Reply #33 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:16pm

That's what it is alright Frank - bizarre. It has a lot of similarity to the Cold War & who can you trust in the espionage game.
I've just been listening to a recently discovered tape of Kim Philby addressing a Stasi forum in 1981 and that has the same kind of bizarre atmosphere
(I cant post a link on my phone but it can be found on BBC Radio 4 under Analysis)

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Re: What left wing German feminist says about Cologne
Reply #34 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 9:33pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 2:31pm:

Gandalf is very similar to Greg. He doesn't actually address the serious issue of Islamisation in the west - well, for him it's not an issue - he'd rather look for some little word or point in what you say and then try and spin the discussion off into another direction.

I address it all the time - its just that you don't like the way I address it.

Unlike the "ban them, deport them, kill them" brigade that somehow FD miraculously has never seen here, I see the issue of extremism/Islamisation in the west as one of alienation, which can only be resolved by community consultation, collaboration, development and education. The problem is not Islam - we know this because the evidence demonstrates conclusively that mainstream Islamic institutions including mosques and schools reduce extremism, not promote it: extremists invariably turn out to have avoided mainstream Islamic institutions, and instead were radicalised by 'back-street Imams' - with no recognised qualifications and shunned by mainstream Islamic bodies. Data from the UK, the US and anecdotally from Australia clearly demonstrates this. So my solution (and cue cries of derision) is to bring western muslims into mainstream Islam, not out of it - and give mainstream Islamic institutions the support and encouragement they need to facilitate this.

Is this what you mean by reform Gandalf?

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Reply #35 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 11:18am

freediver wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 9:33pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 2:31pm:

Gandalf is very similar to Greg. He doesn't actually address the serious issue of Islamisation in the west - well, for him it's not an issue - he'd rather look for some little word or point in what you say and then try and spin the discussion off into another direction.

I address it all the time - its just that you don't like the way I address it.

Unlike the "ban them, deport them, kill them" brigade that somehow FD miraculously has never seen here, I see the issue of extremism/Islamisation in the west as one of alienation, which can only be resolved by community consultation, collaboration, development and education. The problem is not Islam - we know this because the evidence demonstrates conclusively that mainstream Islamic institutions including mosques and schools reduce extremism, not promote it: extremists invariably turn out to have avoided mainstream Islamic institutions, and instead were radicalised by 'back-street Imams' - with no recognised qualifications and shunned by mainstream Islamic bodies. Data from the UK, the US and anecdotally from Australia clearly demonstrates this. So my solution (and cue cries of derision) is to bring western muslims into mainstream Islam, not out of it - and give mainstream Islamic institutions the support and encouragement they need to facilitate this.

Is this what you mean by reform Gandalf?

What do you think of G's idea, FD?

I'm curious. I'm keen to hear what you think.

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Reply #36 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 10:16pm

Gandalf recently tried to back out of giving a straight answer about mainstream Muslim leaders getting caught telling really bad lies to the media by dismissing them as extremists. He never did explain how to tell which are the bad Muslims prior to them showing up on the front page.

Surprise surprise, the answer is to give more money to Muslims. They'll take care of it. Maybe they'll spend it on educating Muslim children. This is the derision part Gandalf mentioned. He has obviously thought this one through.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95428 Gender:	Re: What left wing German feminist says about Cologne Reply #37 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 10:45pm No, I was keen to hear what you think of G’s idea. Have you had a total lobotomy? That’s sad. It seems like there’s almost no thought left.
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Re: What left wing German feminist says about Cologne
Reply #38 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 10:48pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2016 at 4:12pm:

issuevoter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2016 at 6:12pm:

Comparing the Germany of the 1930s to the Germany of today shows at least one glaring social difference. In the 30s, the Nazi used a fictitious threat to help unite the population in their interest.

you mean like they are doing now?

Islamic terrorism is fictitious? ISIS dont exist? are you sure?

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Re: What left wing German feminist says about Cologne
Reply #39 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 11:11pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 10:45pm:

No, I was keen to hear what you think of G’s idea. Have you had a total lobotomy?

That’s sad. It seems like there’s almost no thought left.

I'm guessing FD won't have anything to say on this:

http://nypost.com/2016/03/27/how-us-mosques-genuinely-help-fight-extremism/

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frequent mosque attendance “is linked with higher levels of civic engagement. Muslims who regularly attend mosques are more likely to work with their neighbors to solve community problems” as well as to vote.

According to the survey, “Muslims who say their faith is important to their identity are more likely to say being American is important to how they think of themselves than those who express a weak religious identity.”

It turns out that attending a mosque in the United States, like attending a church, actually seems to have a moderating influence on people’s behavior. Rather than just getting theological and political messages from television or the Internet, people who are part of religious institutions are more likely to hear a message that is rooted in the realities of American life.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48858 At my desk.	Re: What left wing German feminist says about Cologne Reply #40 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:04am I would respond with "Duh". In other breaking news, frequent civic engagement is linked with higher levels of civic engagement. Is this what the Islamic state is all about?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: What left wing German feminist says about Cologne Reply #41 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:59am So FD - you actually acknowledge mosque attendance as "civic engagement" - that has a positive influence? We might be making progress.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48858 At my desk.	Re: What left wing German feminist says about Cologne Reply #42 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:08am No. I am saying that it is civic engagement that is linked with civic engagement. This is also what your NYP quote says.
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Re: What left wing German feminist says about Cologne
Reply #43 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:22am

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:08am:

No.

I am saying that it is civic engagement that is linked with civic engagement. This is also what your NYP quote says.

Sorry FD, when you said your response to the article was "duh" - I thought you might have been talking about what the article actually said - rather than your cherry picking of what the article said.

So, I'm guessing this part isn't part of your "duh"?:

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It turns out that attending a mosque in the United States, like attending a church, actually seems to have a moderating influence on people’s behavior. Rather than just getting theological and political messages from television or the Internet, people who are part of religious institutions are more likely to hear a message that is rooted in the realities of American life.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48858 At my desk.	Re: What left wing German feminist says about Cologne Reply #44 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:25am So people who get their "theological and political messages" from a Mosque are less likely to get them from a television? I am so relieved. Got any other good news for me?
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