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Apr 4^th, 2016 at 6:38pm

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 7:00pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 29^th, 2016 at 12:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 28^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

So we should respond to Islamic terrorism by not mentioning Islam?

We should respond to terrorists by blaming the individuals for the murders.

We should then apprehend those murderers and apply the full force of the law to them.

The apologists look for distractions, and excuses.

I'm happy to not be an apologist for killers.

Should we refrain from mentioning Islam in responding to Islamic terrorism?

What's up Greg? Cat got your tongue? Or is it slowly dawning on you how stupid your position is?

Greg?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136793 Gender:	Re: don't mention Islam Reply #1 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 6:52pm No. I'm not about to limit free speech. You mention whatever you like. And, while you're focusing on beliefs (and words), I'll be concentrating on the murderers.
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Reply #2 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:01pm

If we were to follow your example and refrain from mentioning Islam, do you think that would make our response more or less effective at preventing terrorism? Do you think that pretending it is a series of unrelated incidents is going to help?

I'll give you a non-Muslim hypothetical example to make this easier for you. Suppose we started seeing a spate of murders committed by people who openly admit they did the murdering because John Laws asked them to. Should we ignore this common link and potential cause of more murders and focus instead on punishing the murderers we catch really hard?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103637 Melbourne Gender:	Re: don't mention Islam Reply #3 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:07pm
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GordyL Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4365 Hate Town Gender:	Re: don't mention Islam Reply #4 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:12pm Let's just call islam Fight Club. What's the first rule ?
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Reply #5 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:17pm

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:01pm:

If we were to follow your example and refrain from mentioning Islam ...

I've just told you that you can say whatever you like. There is no way that I could have made that any clearer.

Mention Islam, Muslims, burqas, bananas, boats, bigots, bombs - whatever you like.

As I said: I'll concentrate on the murderers, while you concentrate on belief systems and words.

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:01pm:

Do you think that pretending it is a series of unrelated incidents is going to help?

Who's pretending that it's a series of unrelated events?

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Reply #6 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:27pm

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I've just told you that you can say whatever you like. There is no way that I could have made that any clearer.

In the hypothetical example, we are all voluntarily taking your suggestion seriously. It's a hypothetical.

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Who's pretending that it's a series of unrelated events?

Is that not what you are doing, by refraining from mentioning Islam? Or do you see something else that relates them all?

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Reply #7 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:35pm

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

In the hypothetical example, we are all voluntarily taking your suggestion seriously.

The truth of the matter is, I haven't suggested that you refrain from mentioning Islam.

That is just a lie you've created in order to get out of the situation you find yourself in now.

You mention whatever you like (Islam and Muslims included). Again, I cannot make this any clearer.

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Or do you see something else that relates them all?

They're quite often young men, aren't they?

And, as far as the suicide bombers go, I'd say insanity plays a bit part in all of their lives - wouldn't you?

Or, are you suggesting that blowing yourself up, along with dozens of other people, is a sane act?

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Reply #8 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

In the hypothetical example, we are all voluntarily taking your suggestion seriously.

The truth of the matter is, I haven't suggested that you refrain from mentioning Islam.

That is just a lie you've created in order to get out of the situation you find yourself in now.

You mention whatever you like (Islam and Muslims included). Again, I cannot make this any clearer.

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Or do you see something else that relates them all?

They're quite often young men, aren't they?

And, as far as the suicide bombers go, I'd say insanity plays a bit part in all of their lives - wouldn't you?

Or, are you suggesting that blowing yourself up, along with dozens of other people, is a sane act?

Makes it more palitable when you've been convinced by an idiology that paradise awaits. Wonder what that idiology could be?

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Reply #9 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:45pm

GordyL wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

In the hypothetical example, we are all voluntarily taking your suggestion seriously.

The truth of the matter is, I haven't suggested that you refrain from mentioning Islam.

That is just a lie you've created in order to get out of the situation you find yourself in now.

You mention whatever you like (Islam and Muslims included). Again, I cannot make this any clearer.

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Or do you see something else that relates them all?

They're quite often young men, aren't they?

And, as far as the suicide bombers go, I'd say insanity plays a bit part in all of their lives - wouldn't you?

Or, are you suggesting that blowing yourself up, along with dozens of other people, is a sane act?

Makes it more palitable when you've been convinced by an idiology that paradise awaits. Wonder what that idiology could be?

Do you believe that blowing yourself up, along with dozens of other people, is a sane act?

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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #10 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:45pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:35pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

In the hypothetical example, we are all voluntarily taking your suggestion seriously.

The truth of the matter is, I haven't suggested that you refrain from mentioning Islam.

That is just a lie you've created in order to get out of the situation you find yourself in now.

You mention whatever you like (Islam and Muslims included). Again, I cannot make this any clearer.

freediver wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:27pm:

Or do you see something else that relates them all?

They're quite often young men, aren't they?

And, as far as the suicide bombers go, I'd say insanity plays a bit part in all of their lives - wouldn't you?

Or, are you suggesting that blowing yourself up, along with dozens of other people, is a sane act?

Makes it more palitable when you've been convinced by an idiology that paradise awaits. Wonder what that idiology could be?

Do you believe that blowing yourself up, along with dozens of other people, is a sane act?

Well of course I don't but some people believe so firmly in their cause and the afterlife they can can justify it

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Reply #11 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:50pm

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The truth of the matter is, I haven't suggested that you refrain from mentioning Islam.

Do you not frequently criticise 'people' who mention Islam in response and mount a rather ludicrous argument against the mentioning of Islam?

Am I specifically excluded from that criticism?

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They're quite often young men, aren't they?

Good one. I was expecting you to point out that they have murdering in common. Other than the banal, do you think that refraining from mentioning Islam is the same as pretending they are unrelated? If people took this suggestion seriously, do you think it might undermine our ability to effectively address the problem?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103637 Melbourne Gender:	Re: don't mention Islam Reply #12 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:52pm Don't mention Islam. I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95430 Gender:	Re: don't mention Islam Reply #13 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:54pm Greggery, why don’t you blame Islam? Are you a standard bearer? A simple yes or no will suffice.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136793 Gender:	Re: don't mention Islam Reply #14 - Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:58pm Karnal wrote on Apr 4^th, 2016 at 7:54pm: Greggery, why don’t you blame Islam? Something to do with the fact that not all terrorist attacks are carried out by Muslims. Yeah, I know: I'm a stickler for details.
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