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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #135 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:20pm:

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greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:00pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:58pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

I take it then that you agree, guns don't kill, people kill people?

Agreed.

oh god.

She won't help you, Homo.

Guns go off accidently and kill people pecca. So they do kill people.

Just to clarify, Homo, has a Koran even gone off accidentally and killed someone?

Fallen from a bookshelf, perhaps?

What about Islam: has that ever gone off accidentally and killed someone?

You seem to be in the know on these things, so I thought I'd just ask.

Islam has gone off and deliberately and killed someone.

How many Jim Beam & Cokes have you had, Homo?

How many wine spritzers have you had Pecca? What are you saying?

I'm saying that Islam has never killed anyone.

It's impossible.

It's possible for a gun to kill someone, but it's absolutely impossible for a religion to take someone's life.

You honestly don't understand this?

Islam has gotten people to kill though. Just like getting a hitman to knock off you wife. Not the killer but implicated.

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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #136 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:22pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:13pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:10pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:00pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:58pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

I take it then that you agree, guns don't kill, people kill people?

Agreed.

oh god.

She won't help you, Homo.

Guns go off accidently and kill people pecca. So they do kill people.

Just to clarify, Homo, has a Koran even gone off accidentally and killed someone?

Fallen from a bookshelf, perhaps?

What about Islam: has that ever gone off accidentally and killed someone?

You seem to be in the know on these things, so I thought I'd just ask.

No just polluted peoples minds and motivated them go off and do things.

So has the Bible.

But still. most people that reads these books don't go off and kill people.

I have both tomes on my bookshelf, not more than a metre away from me, and thus far I have not felt the urge to do anything silly that either book may suggest.

Why is that?

Probably because you are not a religious fanatic. I won't say that the koran is a sole motivator. Socioeconomic factors etc etc etc can be motivators. But all these terrorists are taught a religion that comes out of the koran so it must be a major motivator. Motivators are dangerous pecca.

Indeed.

Motivators don't detonate bombs, though.

People do.

True.

Learn the lesson well, grasshopper.

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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #137 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:23pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:22pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:19pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

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Most followers, i mean the vast majority, read the Quran and translate it peacefully

Oh good. Another apologist who speaks on behalf of the world's Muslims. Would you mind clarifying what you mean by "translating it peacefully"?

How many Muslims in the world FD? I'll answer for you. 1.6 billion.

Most of these people live peacefully, would you not agree?

You don't really expect him to give you an answer, do you?

He might answer with another question. I've seen him do that a lot.

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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #138 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:23pm

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

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Most followers, i mean the vast majority, read the Quran and translate it peacefully

Oh good. Another apologist who speaks on behalf of the world's Muslims. Would you mind clarifying what you mean by "translating it peacefully"?

FD, would you mind clarifying the difference between Islamophobes and racists?

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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #139 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:23pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:22pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:19pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

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Most followers, i mean the vast majority, read the Quran and translate it peacefully

Oh good. Another apologist who speaks on behalf of the world's Muslims. Would you mind clarifying what you mean by "translating it peacefully"?

How many Muslims in the world FD? I'll answer for you. 1.6 billion.

Most of these people live peacefully, would you not agree?

You don't really expect him to give you an answer, do you?

Like all the woman who live peacefully in Islamic bondage?? Grin

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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #140 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:23pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:20pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:00pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:58pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

I take it then that you agree, guns don't kill, people kill people?

Agreed.

oh god.

She won't help you, Homo.

Guns go off accidently and kill people pecca. So they do kill people.

Just to clarify, Homo, has a Koran even gone off accidentally and killed someone?

Fallen from a bookshelf, perhaps?

What about Islam: has that ever gone off accidentally and killed someone?

You seem to be in the know on these things, so I thought I'd just ask.

Islam has gone off and deliberately and killed someone.

How many Jim Beam & Cokes have you had, Homo?

How many wine spritzers have you had Pecca? What are you saying?

I'm saying that Islam has never killed anyone.

It's impossible.

It's possible for a gun to kill someone, but it's absolutely impossible for a religion to take someone's life.

You honestly don't understand this?

Islam has gotten people to kill though.

No, it hasn't.

Islam can't make anyone do anything.

It's impossible.

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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #141 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:24pm

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:22pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:19pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

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Most followers, i mean the vast majority, read the Quran and translate it peacefully

Oh good. Another apologist who speaks on behalf of the world's Muslims. Would you mind clarifying what you mean by "translating it peacefully"?

How many Muslims in the world FD? I'll answer for you. 1.6 billion.

Most of these people live peacefully, would you not agree?

You don't really expect him to give you an answer, do you?

He might answer with another question. I've seen him do that a lot.

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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #142 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:25pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:22pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:19pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

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Most followers, i mean the vast majority, read the Quran and translate it peacefully

Oh good. Another apologist who speaks on behalf of the world's Muslims. Would you mind clarifying what you mean by "translating it peacefully"?

How many Muslims in the world FD? I'll answer for you. 1.6 billion.

Most of these people live peacefully, would you not agree?

You don't really expect him to give you an answer, do you?

Like all the woman who live peacefully in Islamic bondage?? Grin

Are you aware of what the Quran has to say about women Hammer?

Forget about repressive regimes. They've got it all wrong.

Do you know what the Quran has to say about women?

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Reply #143 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:26pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:20pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:14pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:06pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:00pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:58pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 8:56pm:

I take it then that you agree, guns don't kill, people kill people?

Agreed.

oh god.

She won't help you, Homo.

Guns go off accidently and kill people pecca. So they do kill people.

Just to clarify, Homo, has a Koran even gone off accidentally and killed someone?

Fallen from a bookshelf, perhaps?

What about Islam: has that ever gone off accidentally and killed someone?

You seem to be in the know on these things, so I thought I'd just ask.

Islam has gone off and deliberately and killed someone.

How many Jim Beam & Cokes have you had, Homo?

How many wine spritzers have you had Pecca? What are you saying?

I'm saying that Islam has never killed anyone.

It's impossible.

It's possible for a gun to kill someone, but it's absolutely impossible for a religion to take someone's life.

You honestly don't understand this?

Islam has gotten people to kill though.

No, it hasn't.

Islam can't make anyone do anything.

It's impossible.

Words can make people kill. Songs can make people kill. People do it though. hate preachers can make people kill with words. Don't ever downplay motivators pecca.

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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #144 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:26pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:18pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

Islam has gone off and deliberately and killed someone. But examination of Islams relationship or inspiration to an act is verboten in your world.

And I suspect it is the only instance where you believe motive and its enabling factors should not be examined.

Islam got nuffin to do wiv nuffin.

Catholic Church on the other hand..... Roll Eyes

See this is where you lot get it wrong.

Most followers, i mean the vast majority, read the Quran and translate it peacefully, so to level your objections at Islam is mistaken.

You need to level your criticism at terrorists and oppressive regimes. You will find, when you do this, other motivating forces beyond the Quran.

Don't know what you mean by my level of criticism but I understand that Islam is not the only motivator, it may not even be the main motivator.

But I don't believe it should be taken off the table as a contributor and I don't believe its role in alah akbahing cultists killing in the name of Alan should be ignored.

That is my main objection, to apologists who think it should be ignored or that it is irrelevant and that Islam got nuffin to do wiv nuffin.

Rich tapestry and all that. I am not a binary thinker, I can handle complexity and multiple inputs.

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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #145 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:28pm

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:19pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

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Most followers, i mean the vast majority, read the Quran and translate it peacefully

Oh good. Another apologist who speaks on behalf of the world's Muslims. Would you mind clarifying what you mean by "translating it peacefully"?

How many Muslims in the world FD? I'll answer for you. 1.6 billion.

Most of these people live peacefully, would you not agree?

So this is how you know how they translate the Koran?

The OIC has been attempting to use the UN to re-criminalise blasphemy. Would you regard this as evidence that they "translate" the Koran peacefully? Does this reassure you?

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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #146 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:28pm

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:22pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:19pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

Quote:

Most followers, i mean the vast majority, read the Quran and translate it peacefully

Oh good. Another apologist who speaks on behalf of the world's Muslims. Would you mind clarifying what you mean by "translating it peacefully"?

How many Muslims in the world FD? I'll answer for you. 1.6 billion.

Most of these people live peacefully, would you not agree?

You don't really expect him to give you an answer, do you?

Like all the woman who live peacefully in Islamic bondage?? Grin

Are you aware of what the Quran has to say about women Hammer?

Forget about repressive regimes. They've got it all wrong.

Do you know what the Quran has to say about women?

You want some more quotes. There's loads of them.

Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them.” Quran 4:34, “Women,” Dawood, p. 83

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136914 Gender:	Re: don't mention Islam Reply #147 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:30pm Secret Wars wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:26pm: Rich tapestry and all that. I am not a binary thinker, I can handle complexity and multiple inputs. You support multiculturalism, then?
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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #148 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:30pm

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:26pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:18pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

Islam has gone off and deliberately and killed someone. But examination of Islams relationship or inspiration to an act is verboten in your world.

And I suspect it is the only instance where you believe motive and its enabling factors should not be examined.

Islam got nuffin to do wiv nuffin.

Catholic Church on the other hand..... Roll Eyes

See this is where you lot get it wrong.

Most followers, i mean the vast majority, read the Quran and translate it peacefully, so to level your objections at Islam is mistaken.

You need to level your criticism at terrorists and oppressive regimes. You will find, when you do this, other motivating forces beyond the Quran.

Don't know what you mean by my level of criticism but I understand that Islam is not the only motivator, it may not even be the main motivator.

But I don't believe it should be taken off the table as a contributor and I don't believe its role in alah akbahing cultists killing in the name of Alan should be ignored.

That is my main objection, to apologists who think it should be ignored or that it is irrelevant and that Islam got nuffin to do wiv nuffin.

Rich tapestry and all that. I am not a binary thinker, I can handle complexity and multiple inputs.

If you are not a "binary thinker", then you would represent that better by distinguishing between Islam and terrorists.

When you level your criticism (don;t know why you're confused about that but never mind) at Islam, you are misjudging over a billion people.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48874 At my desk.	Re: don't mention Islam Reply #149 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:32pm Quote: If you are not a "binary thinker", then you would represent that better by distinguishing between Islam and terrorists. Mothra do you think that terrorism is the only problem that Islam has given the world?
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