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Reply #150 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:33pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:28pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

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mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:19pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

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Most followers, i mean the vast majority, read the Quran and translate it peacefully

Oh good. Another apologist who speaks on behalf of the world's Muslims. Would you mind clarifying what you mean by "translating it peacefully"?

How many Muslims in the world FD? I'll answer for you. 1.6 billion.

Most of these people live peacefully, would you not agree?

You don't really expect him to give you an answer, do you?

Like all the woman who live peacefully in Islamic bondage?? Grin

Are you aware of what the Quran has to say about women Hammer?

Forget about repressive regimes. They've got it all wrong.

Do you know what the Quran has to say about women?

You want some more quotes. There's loads of them.

Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them.” Quran 4:34, “Women,” Dawood, p. 83

"And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women." [Noble Quran 2:228]

"O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the dowry you have given them - except when they have become guilty of open lewdness. On the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If you take a dislike to them, it may be that you dislike something and Allah will bring about through it a great deal of good." [Noble Quran 4:19]

"O mankind! Reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, his mate, and from this pair scattered (like seeds) countless men and women. Reverence Allah, through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and reverence the wombs (that bore you); for Allah ever watches over you." [Noble Quran 4:1]

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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #152 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:35pm

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"And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women." [Noble Quran 2:228]

How are they similar mothra? Is this like Abu's favourite example that if a woman manages to convince the men in charge that her husband beats her 'excessively,' they might offer the resolution that she can beat him in return?

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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #153 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:35pm

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:33pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:28pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:25pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:22pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:19pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

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Most followers, i mean the vast majority, read the Quran and translate it peacefully

Oh good. Another apologist who speaks on behalf of the world's Muslims. Would you mind clarifying what you mean by "translating it peacefully"?

How many Muslims in the world FD? I'll answer for you. 1.6 billion.

Most of these people live peacefully, would you not agree?

You don't really expect him to give you an answer, do you?

Like all the woman who live peacefully in Islamic bondage?? Grin

Are you aware of what the Quran has to say about women Hammer?

Forget about repressive regimes. They've got it all wrong.

Do you know what the Quran has to say about women?

You want some more quotes. There's loads of them.

Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them.” Quran 4:34, “Women,” Dawood, p. 83

"And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women." [Noble Quran 2:228]

"O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the dowry you have given them - except when they have become guilty of open lewdness. On the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If you take a dislike to them, it may be that you dislike something and Allah will bring about through it a great deal of good." [Noble Quran 4:19]

"O mankind! Reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, his mate, and from this pair scattered (like seeds) countless men and women. Reverence Allah, through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and reverence the wombs (that bore you); for Allah ever watches over you." [Noble Quran 4:1]

Apologist.

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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #154 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:37pm

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

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If you are not a "binary thinker", then you would represent that better by distinguishing between Islam and terrorists.

Mothra do you think that terrorism is the only problem that Islam has given the world?

I don't think Islam is the problem at all. Well at least not any more than any other organised religion. The simple fact that most of it's adherents live in peace should tell you that.

It is repressive men folk who are the problem. And wars. Invasions and wars. Disproportionate power allotment. Ego.

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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #155 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:37pm

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:35pm:

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"And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women." [Noble Quran 2:228]

How are they similar mothra? Is this like Abu's favourite example that if a woman manages to convince the men in charge that her husband beats her 'excessively,' they might offer the resolution that she can beat him in return?

That's not in the Quran. That is a ruling by repressive men.

Seriously, did you need that explained to you?

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Reply #156 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:39pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

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Most followers, i mean the vast majority, read the Quran and translate it peacefully

Oh good. Another apologist who speaks on behalf of the world's Muslims. Would you mind clarifying what you mean by "translating it peacefully"?

FD, would you mind clarifying the difference between Islamophobes and racists?

What's the matter, FD?

Cat got your tongue?

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Reply #157 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:39pm

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:30pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:26pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:18pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

Islam has gone off and deliberately and killed someone. But examination of Islams relationship or inspiration to an act is verboten in your world.

And I suspect it is the only instance where you believe motive and its enabling factors should not be examined.

Islam got nuffin to do wiv nuffin.

Catholic Church on the other hand..... Roll Eyes

See this is where you lot get it wrong.

Most followers, i mean the vast majority, read the Quran and translate it peacefully, so to level your objections at Islam is mistaken.

You need to level your criticism at terrorists and oppressive regimes. You will find, when you do this, other motivating forces beyond the Quran.

Don't know what you mean by my level of criticism but I understand that Islam is not the only motivator, it may not even be the main motivator.

But I don't believe it should be taken off the table as a contributor and I don't believe its role in alah akbahing cultists killing in the name of Alan should be ignored.

That is my main objection, to apologists who think it should be ignored or that it is irrelevant and that Islam got nuffin to do wiv nuffin.

Rich tapestry and all that. I am not a binary thinker, I can handle complexity and multiple inputs.

If you are not a "binary thinker", then you would represent that better by distinguishing between Islam and terrorists.

When you level your criticism (don;t know why you're confused about that but never mind) at Islam, you are misjudging over a billion people.

I am debating with people who do not think that islams relationship and input into intolerance, violence and murder should be examined.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95479 Gender:	Re: don't mention Islam Reply #158 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:40pm Gabriel Knight wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:35pm: Not all Christians buttf#ck choirboys, but all those who buttf#ck choirboys are Christians. Miam miam.
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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #159 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:41pm

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:39pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:30pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:26pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:18pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

Islam has gone off and deliberately and killed someone. But examination of Islams relationship or inspiration to an act is verboten in your world.

And I suspect it is the only instance where you believe motive and its enabling factors should not be examined.

Islam got nuffin to do wiv nuffin.

Catholic Church on the other hand..... Roll Eyes

See this is where you lot get it wrong.

Most followers, i mean the vast majority, read the Quran and translate it peacefully, so to level your objections at Islam is mistaken.

You need to level your criticism at terrorists and oppressive regimes. You will find, when you do this, other motivating forces beyond the Quran.

Don't know what you mean by my level of criticism but I understand that Islam is not the only motivator, it may not even be the main motivator.

But I don't believe it should be taken off the table as a contributor and I don't believe its role in alah akbahing cultists killing in the name of Alan should be ignored.

That is my main objection, to apologists who think it should be ignored or that it is irrelevant and that Islam got nuffin to do wiv nuffin.

Rich tapestry and all that. I am not a binary thinker, I can handle complexity and multiple inputs.

If you are not a "binary thinker", then you would represent that better by distinguishing between Islam and terrorists.

When you level your criticism (don;t know why you're confused about that but never mind) at Islam, you are misjudging over a billion people.

I am debating with people who do not think that islams relationship and input into intolerance, violence and murder should be examined.

Did you feel it necessary to question the Catholic Church in relation to the IRA? Or did you simply accept that the problem went beyond religion?

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Reply #160 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:42pm

Mothra, when you speak on behalf of the world's Muslims and tell us all how they "translate" the Koran, are you doing so from a position of complete and utter ignorance of how the world's Muslims actually translate the Koran?

The OIC has been attempting to use the UN to re-criminalise blasphemy. Would you regard this as evidence that they "translate" the Koran peacefully? Does this reassure you?

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That's not in the Quran. That is a ruling by repressive men.

Muhammed was a 'repressive' man. Do you think that has anything to do with Islam?

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I don't think Islam is the problem at all. Well at least not any more than any other organised religion. The simple fact that most of it's adherents live in peace should tell you that.

Most of it's adherents live in shitholes Mothra. What does that tell you? It is not benign intent on their part that stops them exporting their backwardness to the world, through either peaceful means or violent ones.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45483 Gender:	Re: don't mention Islam Reply #161 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:43pm Gabriel Knight wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:35pm: Not all Christians buttf#ck choirboys, but all those who buttf#ck choirboys are Christians. Except for the Muslim imam and mufties, that is. Muslims are notorious arse bandits. Notorious. Second only to Greeks.
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Reply #162 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:45pm

freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:42pm:

Mothra, when you speak on behalf of the world's Muslims and tell us all how they "translate" the Koran, are you doing so from a position of complete and utter ignorance of how the world's Muslims actually translate the Koran?

The OIC has been attempting to use the UN to re-criminalise blasphemy. Would you regard this as evidence that they "translate" the Koran peacefully? Does this reassure you?

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That's not in the Quran. That is a ruling by repressive men.

Muhammed was a 'repressive' man. Do you think that has anything to do with Islam?

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I don't think Islam is the problem at all. Well at least not any more than any other organised religion. The simple fact that most of it's adherents live in peace should tell you that.

Most of it's adherents live in shitholes Mothra. What does that tell you? It is not benign intent on their part that stops them exporting their backwardness to the world, through either peaceful means or violent ones.

Your ignorance knows no bounds.

Mohammed brought in many rights for women. Women's lots improved markedly when he came to power.

The ME is a shithole because the West has made it a shithole. Are you familiar with what Afghanistan was like before the USSR and the US tore it to pieces and left the Taliban behind? How women were once treated?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95479 Gender:	Re: don't mention Islam Reply #163 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:47pm FD, when you talk of Muslims exporting their backwardness to the world, are you referring to their level of tintedness? You haven't said.
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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #164 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:48pm

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:41pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:39pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:30pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:26pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:18pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:16pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 9:12pm:

Islam has gone off and deliberately and killed someone. But examination of Islams relationship or inspiration to an act is verboten in your world.

And I suspect it is the only instance where you believe motive and its enabling factors should not be examined.

Islam got nuffin to do wiv nuffin.

Catholic Church on the other hand..... Roll Eyes

See this is where you lot get it wrong.

Most followers, i mean the vast majority, read the Quran and translate it peacefully, so to level your objections at Islam is mistaken.

You need to level your criticism at terrorists and oppressive regimes. You will find, when you do this, other motivating forces beyond the Quran.

Don't know what you mean by my level of criticism but I understand that Islam is not the only motivator, it may not even be the main motivator.

But I don't believe it should be taken off the table as a contributor and I don't believe its role in alah akbahing cultists killing in the name of Alan should be ignored.

That is my main objection, to apologists who think it should be ignored or that it is irrelevant and that Islam got nuffin to do wiv nuffin.

Rich tapestry and all that. I am not a binary thinker, I can handle complexity and multiple inputs.

If you are not a "binary thinker", then you would represent that better by distinguishing between Islam and terrorists.

When you level your criticism (don;t know why you're confused about that but never mind) at Islam, you are misjudging over a billion people.

I am debating with people who do not think that islams relationship and input into intolerance, violence and murder should be examined.

Did you feel it necessary to question the Catholic Church in relation to the IRA? Or did you simply accept that the problem went beyond religion?

Did I not make it obvious that I do not "simply" accept a binary view? That I recognise complexity and many causes that input into actions and motives?

Do you believe Islam has got nuffin to do wiv ala akbahing terrorists who cite its words as a motivator and reason for killing?

Do you think the reasons that they them selves cite as enablers and motivators for intolerance and violence should be ignored?

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