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Reply #225 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:29pm

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I keep posting this and never get a satisfactory reply.
So here we go again.

I dated a girl originally from Turkey who was totally atheist and identified as Muslim Persian. I liked the ideas in her head. She was into public nudity and wine...very nice girl Wink

So just imagine if she had a twin sister who had a really bad case of the Allah virus, and I found the ideas inside her brain so repugnant I could not stand to be in the same room as her.

Would that make me Islamophobic, racist?

It would make you neither.
You have a mind that allows you to decide what you like and what you dont like.

As long as you simply stay away from her, no problem, everyone is happy, she may find your ideas equally repugnant.

But Muslims dont stop there, they demand you follow their repugnant ideals or even kill you if you dont.
If this girl demands that you follow her religion, it is she who is intolerant.
If you attempt to force your will upon her then you are the one who is intolerant.

You will note I have not mentioned where she came from, her colour od anything else......because its irrelevant.
QED its not racism.

Does that answer your question?

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I HAVE A DREAM
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A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
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Reply #226 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:37pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

So Mohammed pushed her in the chest? Bit of a far cry from a beating isn't it FD?

And it was Abu Bakr that "came to towards me (her)and struck me(her) violently with his fist" . Why did you feel the need to highlight that? Didn't read it properly?

In both cases, Aisha explains that it caused her pain. Arguing over whether it should be translated as poked, shoved etc instead kind of misses the point, which is presumably why your own article that claims to "debunk" it never actually provides the full alternative translation. It just would not make sense.

Have you always been an apologist for wife beaters? Or do you only provide this service for Islamically sanctioned wife beating? Why do you think that there is universal agreement among Muslim scholars that wife beating is permitted and they merely disagree on how hard you should hit them?

I provided the second example to show there was a pattern of the author pushing "alternative translation" to such absurd lengths that they are not actually willing to provide the alternative tranlations.

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Reply #228 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:26pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

More sensationalist drivel. Do you get off on it?

Pushing someone in the chest does not make them a wife beater.

It constitutes 'assault' in law.

Teachers are warned very early in their careers not to touch any of the children as this can be construed as 'assault' or even 'sexual assault' if the child's parent wishes to take it to court.

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Reply #229 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:40pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:26pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

More sensationalist drivel. Do you get off on it?

Pushing someone in the chest does not make them a wife beater.

It constitutes 'assault' in law.

Teachers are warned very early in their careers not to touch any of the children as this can be construed as 'assault' or even 'sexual assault' if the child's parent wishes to take it to court.

That’s true, Herbie, we did learn that.

Do you think they told the eighth century prophets?

Duty of care, innit.

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Reply #230 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 9:16pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 6:26pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 6:21pm:

No thanks. Video evidence is for people who cannot string a coherent sentence together.

Do you have any real evidence, or just some learned gentleman in a suit regurgitating the same BS that you carry on with? Or better yet, before we get to evidence, perhaps you can reveal what it is you disagree with me on and why?

The documentary is a series of interviews with highly esteemed scholars FD.

You are wrong on you estimation of Mohammed's treatment of women. I have provided evidence to this end which you have not addressed ... because it conflicts with your prejudice.

With $Profit Mo i prefer to read Islamic texts, his first biography Sirat Rasul Allah by Ibn Ishaq is a free download so is The Sealed Nectar.

-Explain to us how Muhammad treated his wives after he was caught having sex with his Coptic christian slave girl Maria who gave him his only son

- Tell us how Muhammad met his wife Safiyya, did he marry her on the very same day he ordered her husband to be tortured and killed after attacking her tribe?

- Tell us how Muhammad met Juwariya, did he marry her after attacking her tribe and killing all the men including her husband, the Islamic texts say he captured her does that sound like he wined and dined her?

-Tell us what happened to Asma Bint Marwan, why did $Profit Mo want her killed?

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #231 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 9:29pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:21pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:06pm:

Shame on you Frank, for dismissing the active life choices of over a billion of women and relegating them all to "victims".

Ignorance is really no excuse.

In Islamic societies there is no such thing as women's choice.
Shame on you for siding with the 'men are worth two women' Muslim crowd, Mother.

You'd rather throw the sisters under the Islamic bus than to 'seem' wacist.

Stupid and shameful. You need to start to think for yourself.

Utter ignorance.

You are dismissing hundreds of thousands of strong, intelligent, powerful women. And you cry sexism whilst doing it.

Irony much.

I am dismissing YOU.
Don't try to hide behind others.

I am saying shame on YOU.

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Reply #232 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 9:31pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

More sensationalist drivel. Do you get off on it?

Pushing someone in the chest does not make them a wife beater.

Actually, pushing a woman in the chest constitutes 'Assault and Battery' in law - with a sexual element to it.

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Two separate offenses against the person that when used in one expression may be defined as any unlawful and unpermitted touching of another. Assault is an act that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent, harmful, or offensive contact. The act consists of a threat of harm accompanied by an apparent, present ability to carry out the threat. Battery is a harmful or offensive touching of another.

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Reply #233 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 9:44pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 9:31pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

More sensationalist drivel. Do you get off on it?

Pushing someone in the chest does not make them a wife beater.

Actually, pushing a woman in the chest constitutes 'Assault and Battery' in law - with a sexual element to it.

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Two separate offenses against the person that when used in one expression may be defined as any unlawful and unpermitted touching of another. Assault is an act that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent, harmful, or offensive contact. The act consists of a threat of harm accompanied by an apparent, present ability to carry out the threat. Battery is a harmful or offensive touching of another.

For a pretend women's libber she sure is liberal on getting pushed around. I wonder if women's rights groups would share her fetish.

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matty = muslim with a mat collection, invented by the intellectual giants with an IQ of 81 or below. Yeah its such a gotcha , I know. Roll Eyes

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Reply #234 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 9:57pm

Frank wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 9:29pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:21pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:06pm:

Shame on you Frank, for dismissing the active life choices of over a billion of women and relegating them all to "victims".

Ignorance is really no excuse.

In Islamic societies there is no such thing as women's choice.
Shame on you for siding with the 'men are worth two women' Muslim crowd, Mother.

You'd rather throw the sisters under the Islamic bus than to 'seem' wacist.

Stupid and shameful. You need to start to think for yourself.

Utter ignorance.

You are dismissing hundreds of thousands of strong, intelligent, powerful women. And you cry sexism whilst doing it.

Irony much.

I am dismissing YOU.
Don't try to hide behind others.

I am saying shame on YOU.

You should familiarise yourself with all of the strong, brilliant, self regulating Muslim women before you write them off James.

You do them a great disservice.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #235 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 9:58pm

Sir James wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 9:44pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 9:31pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

More sensationalist drivel. Do you get off on it?

Pushing someone in the chest does not make them a wife beater.

Actually, pushing a woman in the chest constitutes 'Assault and Battery' in law - with a sexual element to it.

Quote:

Two separate offenses against the person that when used in one expression may be defined as any unlawful and unpermitted touching of another. Assault is an act that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent, harmful, or offensive contact. The act consists of a threat of harm accompanied by an apparent, present ability to carry out the threat. Battery is a harmful or offensive touching of another.

For a pretend women's libber she sure is liberal on getting pushed around. I wonder if women's rights groups would share her fetish.

Did i say i was liberal on women getting pushed around?

No, i said that pushing someone in the chest does not make you a wife beater.

And it doesn't.

Aisha said that Mohammed never hit her. I'm inclined to believe her over you hysterical Islamophobes.

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Reply #236 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 10:00pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 9:57pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 9:29pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:21pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:06pm:

Shame on you Frank, for dismissing the active life choices of over a billion of women and relegating them all to "victims".

Ignorance is really no excuse.

In Islamic societies there is no such thing as women's choice.
Shame on you for siding with the 'men are worth two women' Muslim crowd, Mother.

You'd rather throw the sisters under the Islamic bus than to 'seem' wacist.

Stupid and shameful. You need to start to think for yourself.

Utter ignorance.

You are dismissing hundreds of thousands of strong, intelligent, powerful women. And you cry sexism whilst doing it.

Irony much.

I am dismissing YOU.
Don't try to hide behind others.

I am saying shame on YOU.

You should familiarise yourself with all of the strong, brilliant, self regulating Muslim women before you write them off James.

You do them a great disservice.

I think you mean Frank not James pet.

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matty = muslim with a mat collection, invented by the intellectual giants with an IQ of 81 or below. Yeah its such a gotcha , I know. Roll Eyes

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Reply #237 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 10:03pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 9:58pm:

Sir James wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 9:44pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 9:31pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

More sensationalist drivel. Do you get off on it?

Pushing someone in the chest does not make them a wife beater.

Actually, pushing a woman in the chest constitutes 'Assault and Battery' in law - with a sexual element to it.

Quote:

Two separate offenses against the person that when used in one expression may be defined as any unlawful and unpermitted touching of another. Assault is an act that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent, harmful, or offensive contact. The act consists of a threat of harm accompanied by an apparent, present ability to carry out the threat. Battery is a harmful or offensive touching of another.

For a pretend women's libber she sure is liberal on getting pushed around. I wonder if women's rights groups would share her fetish.

Did i say i was liberal on women getting pushed around?

No, i said that pushing someone in the chest does not make you a wife beater.

And it doesn't.

Aisha said that Mohammed never hit her. I'm inclined to believe her over you hysterical Islamophobes.

Save your silly childish islamophobe rant , I am not scared of muslims. You are the one too scared to speak out against it for those poor women abused by it. You are pathetic.

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Reply #238 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 7:22am

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 9:57pm:

You should familiarise yourself with all of the strong, brilliant, self regulating Muslim women before you write them off James.

You do them a great disservice.

Pig's arse.

Where do they sit when they attend the mosque? At back - out of sight and out-of-mind like the Negroes on buses before the Civil Rights movement gave them back their dignity?

Where do they sit in the hall when members of the local Muslim community have been summoned by the local council or local MP to discuss or inform them about something?

Do they cloak themselves in submissive chattel-clothing even though this self-effacing practice is not a requirement in Islam?

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Reply #239 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 8:28am

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

More sensationalist drivel. Do you get off on it?

Pushing someone in the chest does not make them a wife beater.

Are Aisha's own words about Muhammed and Abu Bakr causing her pain "sensationalist drivel"? Are you always an apologist for wife beaters, or just the Muslim ones? Would you quibble with modern victims of domestic violence about whether they were pushed, punched or poked?

The only drivel here is that website you presented with translations of these passages that were so 'alternative' they were too embarrassed to actually present them. Were you convinced by these alternative translations, even though you did not actually see them?

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