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Reply #60 - Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:54pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:42pm:
Was it you providing that idiotic advice to not mention Islam?


Was it you who stopped beating his wife?

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Reply #61 - Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:58pm
 
A simple yes or no will suffice.
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Reply #62 - Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:59pm
 
Would you agree that this is particularly stupid advice and that a sane person would disown it and find themselves suddenly incapable of making an argument in support?

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The best way to do that, is to ignore it.

Don't mention their silly religion.

Don't give them the satisfaction.

Direct all of your outrage at the individuals who committed the murders, not a silly set of beliefs.
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Reply #63 - Apr 4th, 2016 at 10:01pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:58pm:
A simple yes or no will suffice.


FD doesn't like answering questions, does he?

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Reply #64 - Apr 4th, 2016 at 10:06pm
 
Hey Greggy, would you need to be insane to go over the top and rush the Turkish machine guns at The Neck ?
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Reply #65 - Apr 4th, 2016 at 10:12pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:59pm:
Would you agree that this is particularly stupid advice ?

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The best way to do that, is to ignore it.

Don't mention their silly religion.

Don't give them the satisfaction.

Direct all of your outrage at the individuals who committed the murders, not a silly set of beliefs.


Nope.

Are you going to start answering some questions now, FD?

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Reply #66 - Apr 4th, 2016 at 10:24pm
 
Would you be prepared to make an argument in support of that advice Greg?
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Reply #67 - Apr 4th, 2016 at 11:14pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 7:58pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 7:54pm:
Greggery, why don’t you blame Islam?


Something to do with the fact that


.......
not all terrorist attacks are carried out by Muslims.



Yeah, I know: I'm a stickler for details.





And yet, all of the terrorist acts cited on this www site, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, are sanctioned by ISLAM and by ISLAM's doctrine of Jihad.

And oh yeah, those terrorist acts cited on this www site, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, were carried out by moslems.

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THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/


Jihad = = fighting in Allah's cause, to promote the interests of Allah's perfect religion, ISLAM.....




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"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

In the Hadith verse above, Mohammed is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
i.e. Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.
And in Koran 9.111, Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed, while seeking to kill Allah's enemies.



"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026


"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i



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In the Koran, Allah even goes as far as to say that moslems who choose to not fight [in his cause] [i.e. the 'peaceful' moslems ?] hold no favour with HIM!!!


"Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-"
Koran 4.88, 89


"Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"
Koran 4.95

i.e. Religious fighting is an obligation for all moslems.
Allah views with disdain those who avoid this religious obligation, to fight in his cause.
see also, Koran 2.76-78,  Koran 9.73-85


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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #68 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:38am
 
Yadda wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 11:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 7:58pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 7:54pm:
Greggery, why don’t you blame Islam?


Something to do with the fact that


.......
not all terrorist attacks are carried out by Muslims.



Yeah, I know: I'm a stickler for details.





And yet ...



There's no "and yet" about it.

Not all terrorist attacks are carried out by Muslims. Indisputable fact.
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Reply #69 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:40am
 
GordyL wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:06pm:

To expand further on suicide bombings, they're taught in their madrassas and mosques there is no such thing as collateral damage because when you set off a bomb the infidels go to hell and any muslims killed go to paradise.
Source, that horrible Islamophobe Maajid Nawaz.

If you insist that only an insane person would do such an act then I guess we'll just have to say Islam promotes insanity  Shocked





suicide bombings     .....by the moslem.

.......are tacitly encouraged, even within the Koran.

And the Koran is ISLAM's primary source for establishing correct religious doctrine/actions.





"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."
Koran 9.111

i.e.
Koran 9.111        ....assures the moslem, that if you, the moslem, kill yourself, in the service of Allah's cause [Jihad], there is certainly a great reward awaiting you.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #70 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:58am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:54pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:42pm:
Was it you providing that idiotic advice to not mention Islam?


Was it you who stopped beating his wife?



Muslims are allowed to beat their wives if they fear disobedience, anything to say about allah allowing wife beating for muslims little pecca?
quran.com/4/34


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Reply #71 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:00am
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:07pm:
GordyL wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:03pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:50pm:
GordyL wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:44pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:41pm:
GordyL wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:25pm:
Greggy,Karnel, what I posted about suicide bombings was a quote from Maajid Nawaz. Can you tell me why he should not be believed?


Sorry, Gordy, I’ve just reviewed this thread - I can’t find a quote from Maajid Nawaz. Did you post one somewhere else?


Not a verbatim quote but from Future of Tolerance

To expand further on suicide bombings, they're taught in their madrassas and mosques there is no such thing as collateral damage because when you set off a bomb the infidels go to hell and any muslims killed go to paradise.
Source, that horrible Islamophobe Maajid Nawaz


Not a quote? Can you expand on this, please?

Where did you get this?


Have you heard of Maajid Nawaz?


Never. Do you have a quote, or do you want to keep pretending?

Do you now see what I mean about porkies?


The book of jihad by Ibn Nuhaas covers that.
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Reply #72 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:07am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 10:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:54pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:42pm:
Was it you providing that idiotic advice to not mention Islam?


Was it you who stopped beating his wife?



Muslims are allowed to beat their wives if they fear disobedience.




Christians are allowed to beat their children ... with a rod.

Prov 13:24: "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes (diligently)."

Prov 19:18: "Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying."

Prov 22:15: "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him."

Prov 23:13: "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die."

Prov 23:14: "Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell (Shoel)."

Prov 29:15: "The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame."


But we all know they do a lot more than that to kids.
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Reply #73 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:44am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 5th, 2016 at 9:38am:
Yadda wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 11:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 7:58pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 7:54pm:
Greggery, why don’t you blame Islam?


Something to do with the fact that


.......
not all terrorist attacks are carried out by Muslims.



Yeah, I know: I'm a stickler for details.





And yet ...



There's no "and yet" about it.

Not all terrorist attacks are carried out by Muslims.

Indisputable fact.






greggery,

I won't argue with the logic which your statement presents.


But i am now going to extend the reach of that logical and 'indisputable fact'....

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Not all terrorist attacks are carried out by moslems.

But every moslem, is a latent wanna-be terrorist.

Those are indisputable facts.



Evidence for that logical conclusion ???

Easy!


QUESTION;

Who or what, is a moslem ???


A moslem is a follower of ISLAM.       < -------- dictionary definition.


And what is ISLAM ???

ISLAM is a philosophy which exists to encourage political violence [terrorism] against disbelieving non-moslems.



ISLAM = = Jihad [aka religious fighting in Allah's cause]

Orthodox, mainstream ISLAM = = never-ending warfare, by moslems, upon all of disbelieving mankind, in order to establish the political superiority of ISLAM upon the whole of the earth.

ISLAM = = pursuing deception, lies, and political violence [against non-moslems], to establish the political superiority of ISLAM.

Jihad = = deception, lies, and political violence [against non-moslems], to establish the political superiority of ISLAM.

ISLAM = = moslem political violence and supremacism, pure and simple, masquerading as religious piety, behind a 'veil' of moslem deceit.




More proof ?

MOHAMMED'S URGING's TO MOSLEMS, TO ENGAGE IN TERRORISM [in order to pursue the objective of establishing the political superiority of ISLAM]......


"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026


"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i

AND.....

Allah's Messenger said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220


Allah's Messenger said,
".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062



QUESTION;

ARE THERE MOSLEMS TODAY, IN THIS AGE, 'OPENLY' ENCOURAGING TERRORISM ?



HOW ABOUT THE EXAMPLE OF AN 'AUSSIE' MOSLEM COMMUNITY LEADER ?

These words were spoken by an 'Aussie' moslem community leader, here, in Australia [only a few years ago].

Google if you wish;
"We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam."

"There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior)."

"Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."

"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad,"

"Kaffir ['unbelief'] is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt."




QUESTION;

Are there many moslems who are currently exhibiting a peaceful modus/modality, who are living within Western nations ?

Of course there are.            !!!!!!!

But the 'peacefulness' of a moslem, says more about his present impotency to 'successfully' engage in political violence,        ....rather than the 'peace loving' intent, of that moslem !

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IMAGE...
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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong


"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."



Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...




Quote:

A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."


http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine


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Re: don't mention Islam
Reply #74 - Apr 5th, 2016 at 11:45am
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:07pm:
GordyL wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 9:03pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:50pm:
GordyL wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:44pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:41pm:
GordyL wrote on Apr 4th, 2016 at 8:25pm:
Greggy,Karnel, what I posted about suicide bombings was a quote from Maajid Nawaz. Can you tell me why he should not be believed?


Sorry, Gordy, I’ve just reviewed this thread - I can’t find a quote from Maajid Nawaz. Did you post one somewhere else?


Not a verbatim quote but from Future of Tolerance

To expand further on suicide bombings, they're taught in their madrassas and mosques there is no such thing as collateral damage because when you set off a bomb the infidels go to hell and any muslims killed go to paradise.
Source, that horrible Islamophobe Maajid Nawaz


Not a quote? Can you expand on this, please?

Where did you get this?


Have you heard of Maajid Nawaz?


Never. Do you have a quote, or do you want to keep pretending?

Do you now see what I mean about porkies?


You're being disingenuous, Karnal.

I told you it's not a direct quote. It's what he says throughout the book.

I told you my copy of the book is in Kindle format so not cut and paste-able.

I sent you a PM with a link to the audio conversation between Sam Harris and Maajid Nawaz on which the conversation is based.


Here it is again. https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/islam-and-the-future-of-tolerance-a-dialo...

Here is a link where you can purchase the book for about $15 http://www.amazon.com/Islam-Future-Tolerance-A-Dialogue/dp/0674088700

Short of me coming over to your house and reading you a bed time story, that's about as much as I can help you.

If you couldn't be bothered exploring either of these options, then just leave it at that and stay in the dark.

Your call.


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