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Re: April 18 ~ ABCC
Reply #15 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 4:28pm

Swagman wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:40pm:

Swagman wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:14pm:

The Opposition supporting union corruption.........A G A I N

What's news?

They have said many times over that they do not support Union corruption at all. Why do you lie so blatantly?

......collectivism is corruption. Labor support collectivism.

Really. Link?

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Re: April 18 ~ ABCC
Reply #16 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 4:32pm

Swagman wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

Swagman wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:14pm:

The Opposition supporting union corruption.........A G A I N

What's news?

Swaggy doesn't know how the stockmarket works Cheesy

....buy low....sell high

...how do you do that when it's impossible to pick the top and bottom of the market?

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Re: April 18 ~ ABCC
Reply #17 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:00pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:32pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 2:22pm:

Waddyareckon? Has Turdfull misgambled here? How can successfully get around this position.

"Sure, Turdfull, there is corrupt conduct within Unions which needs to be dealt with. We support that....just change your proposed legislation to include corruption everywhere, and we support your Bill.

You do want to deal with corruption wherever it is, don't you, Mal? Let's work together on this."

He can be so easily put between a rock and hard place over this, and I reckon it is a another political blunder just like his double taxation proposal.

People are not stupid.

The ABCC is targetted specifically at a highly corrupt area. The refusal to pass it because they dont get their own way is childish. it is not dissimilar to the GReens voting down the ETS coz they didnt get what they wanted and now 7 years later they still have nothing.

The ABCC is ready to get up and going now. Anything else would take years to sort out and get going.

POlitical grandstanding by foolish indies trying to get noticed. Instead, they will get the sack.

Rubbish. A competent draftsman could alter it to encompass all corruption with a few key board hits. 30 minutes work, maximum.

You do want all corrution sorted don't you?

some lawyer you must have been. 30 mins to redraft legislation? BTW I was actually referring to a physical organisation. the ABCC previously existed but the unions got rid of it via the ALP - a curious thing in its own right. You think you can build a working ICAC fromt he ground up overnight?

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Re: April 18 ~ ABCC
Reply #18 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:01pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:40pm:

Swagman wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:14pm:

The Opposition supporting union corruption.........A G A I N

What's news?

They have said many times over that they do not support Union corruption at all. Why do you lie so blatantly?

how gullible are you? IN WORDS, but in deeds they effectively look the other way. The BACC was removed by labor and nothing put in its place.

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Reply #20 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:06pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:32pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 2:22pm:

Waddyareckon? Has Turdfull misgambled here? How can successfully get around this position.

"Sure, Turdfull, there is corrupt conduct within Unions which needs to be dealt with. We support that....just change your proposed legislation to include corruption everywhere, and we support your Bill.

You do want to deal with corruption wherever it is, don't you, Mal? Let's work together on this."

He can be so easily put between a rock and hard place over this, and I reckon it is a another political blunder just like his double taxation proposal.

People are not stupid.

The ABCC is targetted specifically at a highly corrupt area. The refusal to pass it because they dont get their own way is childish. it is not dissimilar to the GReens voting down the ETS coz they didnt get what they wanted and now 7 years later they still have nothing.

The ABCC is ready to get up and going now. Anything else would take years to sort out and get going.

POlitical grandstanding by foolish indies trying to get noticed. Instead, they will get the sack.

Rubbish. A competent draftsman could alter it to encompass all corruption with a few key board hits. 30 minutes work, maximum.

You do want all corrution sorted don't you?

some lawyer you must have been. 30 mins to redraft legislation? BTW I was actually referring to a physical organisation. the ABCC previously existed but the unions got rid of it via the ALP - a curious thing in its own right. You think you can build a working ICAC fromt he ground up overnight?

so you think they kept all that infrastructure in place for all these years just waiting for the libs to bring them back? Cheesy

Building ICAC won't take any longer than it'll take to build the ABCC.

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Reply #21 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:07pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:02pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 2:25pm:

The bloke is a joke: he will be remembered for his special hop and ending the Howard era joke!

Makes you wonder just how corrupt he is to have made millions whilst exercising such poor judgement

I dunno: i just know he's fubar!

Every single liberal voter is sick to death of the global embarrassment that is copper internet in the clever country that their family actually died for!

Worse, it's happening in the asian century we f'n built!

THE GLOBAL SHAME IS WHAT MAKES THE ABBOTT/TURNBULL GOVERNMENT DEADUS MEATUS! Cheesy

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Reply #22 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:13pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:06pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:38pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:32pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 2:22pm:

Waddyareckon? Has Turdfull misgambled here? How can successfully get around this position.

"Sure, Turdfull, there is corrupt conduct within Unions which needs to be dealt with. We support that....just change your proposed legislation to include corruption everywhere, and we support your Bill.

You do want to deal with corruption wherever it is, don't you, Mal? Let's work together on this."

He can be so easily put between a rock and hard place over this, and I reckon it is a another political blunder just like his double taxation proposal.

People are not stupid.

The ABCC is targetted specifically at a highly corrupt area. The refusal to pass it because they dont get their own way is childish. it is not dissimilar to the GReens voting down the ETS coz they didnt get what they wanted and now 7 years later they still have nothing.

The ABCC is ready to get up and going now. Anything else would take years to sort out and get going.

POlitical grandstanding by foolish indies trying to get noticed. Instead, they will get the sack.

Rubbish. A competent draftsman could alter it to encompass all corruption with a few key board hits. 30 minutes work, maximum.

You do want all corrution sorted don't you?

some lawyer you must have been. 30 mins to redraft legislation? BTW I was actually referring to a physical organisation. the ABCC previously existed but the unions got rid of it via the ALP - a curious thing in its own right. You think you can build a working ICAC fromt he ground up overnight?

so you think they kept all that infrastructure in place for all these years just waiting for the libs to bring them back? Cheesy

Building ICAC won't take any longer than it'll take to build the ABCC.

sometimes your ignorance an naievte is astonishing. It is as if no information is ever retained in your brain pan.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: April 18 ~ ABCC
Reply #24 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:28pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:16pm:

You do want all corruption sorted don't you, melieloingtime?

I do. But the problem is that you dont. You arent following some ethical path here. the ABCC attacks the worst of the corrupt unions and for some reason, you dont want that. the demand for the ICAC is no different to the Greens tanty over Rudds ETS. You dont really want it at all. the structure and methodology of the ABCC is well established and effective - which is why the ALP dumped it. When dealing with any problem you start by working at the worst examples and tackling them first. that way you get good results quickly. I think an ICAC is a good idea, but you dont. You simply oppose the ABCC because it is a Lib policy. Funnily enough, the ICAC is nobody's policy at all.

Don't you want building union corruption, intimidation and thuggery eliminated? so why oppose something that has a record of acheiveing exactly that.

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Reply #25 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:33pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:16pm:

You do want all corruption sorted don't you, melieloingtime?

I do. But the problem is that you dont. You arent following some ethical path here. the ABCC attacks the worst of the corrupt unions and for some reason, you dont want that. the demand for the ICAC is no different to the Greens tanty over Rudds ETS. You dont really want it at all. the structure and methodology of the ABCC is well established and effective - which is why the ALP dumped it.

When dealing with any problem you start by working at the worst examples and tackling them first.

that way you get good results quickly. I think an ICAC is a good idea, but you dont. You simply oppose the ABCC because it is a Lib policy. Funnily enough, the ICAC is nobody's policy at all.

Don't you want building union corruption, intimidation and thuggery eliminated? so why oppose something that has a record of acheiveing exactly that.

How do you know union corruption is worse than any other corruption?

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Re: April 18 ~ ABCC
Reply #26 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:16pm:

You do want all corruption sorted don't you, melieloingtime?

I do. But the problem is that you dont. You arent following some ethical path here. the ABCC attacks the worst of the corrupt unions and for some reason, you dont want that. the demand for the ICAC is no different to the Greens tanty over Rudds ETS. You dont really want it at all. the structure and methodology of the ABCC is well established and effective - which is why the ALP dumped it. When dealing with any problem you start by working at the worst examples and tackling them first. that way you get good results quickly. I think an ICAC is a good idea, but you dont. You simply oppose the ABCC because it is a Lib policy. Funnily enough, the ICAC is nobody's policy at all.

Don't you want building union corruption, intimidation and thuggery eliminated? so why oppose something that has a record of acheiveing exactly that.

I do want that, and more...right now. Nothing stops Turdfull from going after all corruption, yet he is not doing that. Why is that so, when it is so easy to amend the proposed legislation to re-establish the ABCC (rename it and extend its powers?)

Why not?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74262 Gender:	Re: April 18 ~ ABCC Reply #27 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:50pm longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:13pm: sometimes your ignorance an naievte is astonishing. It is as if no information is ever retained in your brain pan. bravo longie ... that'll convince everyone
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74262 Gender:	Re: April 18 ~ ABCC Reply #28 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:52pm longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:28pm: Don't you want building union corruption, intimidation and thuggery eliminated? so why oppose something that has a record of acheiveing exactly that. you probably believe that load of hogwash too!
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Re: April 18 ~ ABCC
Reply #29 - Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 5:01pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:40pm:

Swagman wrote on Apr 6^th, 2016 at 3:14pm:

The Opposition supporting union corruption.........A G A I N

What's news?

They have said many times over that they do not support Union corruption at all. Why do you lie so blatantly?

how gullible are you? IN WORDS, but in deeds they effectively look the other way. The BACC was removed by labor and nothing put in its place.

You talk the biggest load of BS, the fair work commission handles disputes and if you hadn't noticed the unions still cop massive fines for any industrial action outside of protected action , this has been happening long after the ABCC disappeared .

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