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Apr 8th, 2016 at 10:50am
 
The standard of English literacy and English language skills is declining in closet pom's mother country and in it's colonies.

Will future Australian students have to study in India to learn proper English?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-03/australian-students-slipping-behind-in-mat...
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Australian students slipping behind in maths, reading: OECD report

A new report comparing Australian high school students with 65 other countries shows the nation is slipping further behind in maths and reading skills.

The 2012 Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) measures the mathematics, reading and science skills of half a million 15-year-olds from around the world.

It found Australian teens placed equal 17th in maths, equal 10th in reading and equal 8th in science.

Asian countries like China, Singapore, Korea and Japan are pulling ahead of Australian students in maths and reading.

The results show Australian students are slipping in maths performance by about a half a year of schooling compared to 10 years ago.

How the states/territories rated:

Maths      Science      Reading
ACT      518      534      525
NSW      509      526      513
VIC      501      518      517
QLD      503      519      508
SA      489      513      500
WA      516      535      519
TAS      478      500      485
NT      452      483      466
AUST      504      521      512
Shanghai      613      580      570

The decline was stronger in girls than boys, with girls dropping to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) average.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/3254407/Standard-English-in-decline-among-t...

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Standard English in decline among teenagers
Half of teenagers fail to spot the difference between standard English grammar and colloquial language, according to research.
           
By Graeme Paton, Education Editor 5:32PM BST 24 Oct 2008CommentsComment
Many GCSE English students did not realise that phrases such as "get off of" and "she was stood" were grammatically incorrect.

It comes amid fears that the use of social networking websites and mobile phone text messaging is undermining children's literacy skills.

Ministers have also complained many young people spend too much time playing video games and watching TV instead of reading books.

In the latest study, Cambridge Assessment, one of the country's biggest examination boards, surveyed more than 2,000 teenagers in 26 English secondary schools.

They were presented with various phrases - and asked to mark out those employing non-standard English.

Only 41 per cent realised that an adjective had been used in place of an adverb in the phrase "come quick".

Fewer than six-in-10 pupils correctly identified "off of", "she was stood" and "this man showed us" as ungrammatical.

Around a quarter of GCSE students failed to spot errors in the phrases "it wasn't me who done it", "couldn't hardly move", "Tom had gotten cold" and "three mile".

At least a fifth failed to recognise that "more easier" was incorrect. And almost one-in-10 students failed to spot the use of a double negative in the phrase "I didn't break no vase".

Ian McNeilly, from the National Association for the Teaching of English, told the Times Educational Supplement: "For a lot of people - not just young people - their daily use of English is in new media, where non-standard grammatical constructions are more acceptable. That's inevitably going to lead to an increased lack of awareness of more standard constructions."

This summer, almost seven-in-10 pupils gained at least a C grade in GCSE English.

A similar Cambridge Assessment study in 2005 found that GCSE pupils had better grasp of grammar and punctuation than young people a decade ago but were more likely to lapse into colloquialisms.

Dr Beth Black, author of the latest report, said: "It is possible that these less well-recognised non-standard English forms will find their way into standard English, especially given the view that teenagers are linguistic innovators who bring about change in standard dialect."
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Reply #1 - Apr 8th, 2016 at 10:58am
 
Well racist trollster

India was a colonial country as well

and if you've had any phone calls from

an Indian call centre made by Kolkata Kevin

then you would know it's just BS.
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Reply #2 - Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:05am
 
Gnads wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 10:58am:
Well racist trollster

India was a colonial country as well

and if you've had any phone calls from

an Indian call centre made by Kolkata Kevin

then you would know it's just BS.


Indians are manning the call centres because no closet poms can be found that can speak the Queen's English.

Closet poms can't even spell Kevin, let alone Kolkata.
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Reply #3 - Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:21am
 
Wait! There's more. One only has to read the posts on this forum to encounter murder of the English language.

http://theconversation.com/six-ways-australias-education-system-is-failing-our-k...

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mid debates about budget cuts and the rising costs of schools and degrees, there is one debate receiving alarmingly little attention in Australia. We’re facing a slow decline in most educational standards, and few are aware just how bad the situation is getting.

These are just six of the ways that Australia’s education system is seriously failing our kids.

1. Australian teens are falling behind, as others race ahead

The Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) survey tests the skills and knowledge of 15-year-old students in more than 70 economies worldwide. And it shows that Australian 15-year-olds' scores on reading, maths and scientific literacy have recorded statistically significant declines since 2000, while other countries have shown improvement.

Although there has been much media attention on falling international ranks, it is actually this decline in real scores that should hit the headlines. That’s because it means that students in 2000 answered substantially more questions correctly than students in 2012. The decline is equivalent to more than half a year of schooling.

Our students are falling behind: three years behind students from Shanghai in maths and 1˝ years behind in reading.

In maths and science, an average Australian 15-year-old student has the problem-solving abilities equivalent to an average 12-year-old Korean pupil.


An international assessment of school years 4 and 8 shows that Australian students’ average performance is now below that of England and the USA: countries that we used to classify as educationally inferior.

The declining education standards are across all ability levels. Analysis of PISA and NAPLAN suggests that stagnation and decline are occurring among high performing students as well as low performers.

2. Declining participation in science and maths

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Fewer than one in ten Australian students studied advanced maths in year 12 in 2013. In particular, there has been a collapse in girls studying maths and science.

A national gender breakdown shows that just 6.6% of girls sat for advanced mathematics in 2013; that’s half the rate for boys, and represents a 23% decline since 2004. In New South Wales, a tiny 1.5% of girls take the trio of advanced maths, physics and chemistry.

Maths is not a requirement at senior secondary level in NSW, Victoria and Western Australia, although it is compulsory in South Australia, and to a small extent in Queensland and the Northern Territory. In NSW, the requirement for Higher School Certificate (HSC) maths or science study was removed in 2001. The national curriculum also makes no requirement for maths or science study after Year 10.

Australia is just about the only developed nation that does not make it compulsory to study maths in order to graduate from high school.


A recent report by the Productivity Commission found almost one-quarter of Australians are capable of only basic mathematics, such as counting. Many universities now have to offer basic (school level) maths and literacy development courses to support students in their study. These outcomes look extremely concerning when we review participation and achievement in maths and science internationally.

3. Australian education is monolingual

In 2013, the proportion of students studying a foreign language is at historic lows. For example in NSW, only 8% studied a foreign language for their HSC, the lowest percentage ever recorded.

In NSW, the number of HSC students studying Chinese in 2014 was just 798 (635 of which were students with a Chinese background), whereas a decade ago it was almost double that number, with 1,591.

The most popular beginner language in NSW was French, with 663 HSC students taking French as a beginner in 2013. These numbers are extremely small when you consider that the total number of HSC students in NSW: more than 75,000.

These declines, which are typical of what has happened around the country, have occurred at a time when most other industrialised countries have been strengthening their students' knowledge of other cultures and languages, in particular learning English.

English language skills are becoming a basic skill around the world. Monolingual Australians are increasingly competing for jobs with people who are just as competent in English as they are in their own native language - and possibly one or two more. ... continued
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Reply #4 - Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:25am
 
Continued from previous post:

http://theconversation.com/six-ways-australias-education-system-is-failing-our-k...

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4. International and migrant students are actually raising standards, not lowering them

There are many who believe that Australian education is being held back by our multicultural composition and high proportion of migrant students. This could not be further from the truth. In the most recent PISA assessment of 15 year olds, Australian-born students' average English literacy score was significantly lower than the average first-generation migrant students' score, and not significantly different from foreign-born students.

The proportion of top performers was higher for foreign-born (14%) and first-generation students (15%) than for Australian-born students (10%).

Students from Chinese, Korean and Sri Lankan backgrounds are the highest performers in the NSW HSC. The top performing selective secondary schools in NSW now have more than 80% of students coming from non-English speaking backgrounds.

5. You can’t have quality education without quality teachers

While there are many factors that may contribute to teacher quality, the overall academic attainment of those entering teaching degrees is an obvious and measurable component, which has been the focus of rigorous standards in many countries.

An international benchmarking study indicates that Australia’s teacher education policies are currently falling well short of high-achieving countries where future teachers are recruited from the top 30% of the age cohort.

In Australia between 1983 and 2003, the standard intake was from the top 26% to 39%. By 2012/2013, less than half of Year 12 students receiving offers for places in undergraduate teacher education courses had ATAR scores in the top 50% of their age cohort.

Teacher education degrees also had the highest percentage of students entering with low ATAR scores, and the proportion of teacher education entrants with an ATAR of less than 50 nearly doubled over the past three years. We cannot expect above-average education with below-average teachers.

6. Early learning participation is amongst the lowest in the developed world

While Australia has recently lifted levels of investment in early childhood education, this investment has not been reflected in high levels of early childhood participation. In Australia, just 18% of 3 year olds participated in early childhood education, compared with 70% on average across the OECD. In this respect, we rank at 34 out of 36 OECD and partner countries.

Australia also ranks at 22 out of 37 on the OECD league table that measures the total investment across education as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product.

While low levels of expenditure and participation curtail any system, there is more negative impact from a lack of investment in early childhood than there would be from a lack of funding further up the educational chain. Nobel prize winner James Heckmann has shown how investment in early childhood produces the greatest returns to society.

What to do?

Funding is a critical issue, and not just in terms of what you spend, but also how you spend it. Research suggests spending on early childhood, quality teaching and core curriculum have the greatest returns on investment.

There is also growing evidence to suggest that a segregated schooling system – for example, socio-economically or  academically selective schools – is counterproductive and restricts social mobility. High-performing countries have school systems on a far more level playing field than Australia.

We need a long-term plan across education sectors: from early childhood, to schools, universities and TAFE, which includes plans for supporting and strengthening teacher education in all those sectors.

We also need a louder public conversation about Australian education, and lobbying to shift how we value and invest in education.

When Germany was shocked by its first performance on the 2000 PISA assessment, it started a national conversation that saw education on the front page of newspapers for the next two years. Germany’s education has been improving ever since.

If Australia wants to build a strong and competitive economy, we need fewer front page articles about budget cuts, and more on reform and investment in education.
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Reply #5 - Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:35am
 
If you hate so much everything about Australia, why don't you just leave?
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Reply #6 - Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:57am
 
Dustwun wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:35am:
If you hate so much everything about Australia, why don't you just leave?


Not Australia, Dustwun, closet Poms. They're an inferior species.

This isn't racist. Closet Poms aren't a race.

We don't hate them, by the way, we just want to exclude them. Intermingling of the species should be forbidden.

Herbie has proven this point using the example of Aboriginal tribes. He doesn't know which tribes, just someone - sometime. If those tribes couldn't get along, how can we possibly make friends with the Poms?
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Reply #7 - Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:02pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:57am:
Dustwun wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:35am:
If you hate so much everything about Australia, why don't you just leave?


Not Australia, Dustwun, closet Poms. They're an inferior species.

This isn't racist. Closet Poms aren't a race.


What's a closet Pom?
Indians have something to thank colonialist for.

Early British policy
Suttee, by James Atkinson 1831
Widow Burning in India (August 1852)[51]

Attempts to limit or ban the practice had been made by individual British officers in the 18th century, but without the backing of the British East India Company.[citation needed] The first formal British ban was imposed in 1798, in the city of Calcutta only. The practice continued in surrounding regions. In the beginning of the 19th century, the evangelical church in Britain, and its members in India, started campaigns against sati.
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Reply #8 - Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:03pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:57am:
Dustwun wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:35am:
If you hate so much everything about Australia, why don't you just leave?


Not Australia, Dustwun, closet Poms. They're an inferior species.

This isn't racist. Closet Poms aren't a race.
Your post definitely shows bigotry and prejudice. Welcome to the club Karnal Knowledge. Smiley
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Reply #9 - Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:07pm
 
Dustwun wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:02pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:57am:
Dustwun wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:35am:
If you hate so much everything about Australia, why don't you just leave?


Not Australia, Dustwun, closet Poms. They're an inferior species.

This isn't racist. Closet Poms aren't a race.


What's a closet Pom?
Indians have something to thank colonialist for.

Early British policy
Suttee, by James Atkinson 1831
Widow Burning in India (August 1852)[51]

Attempts to limit or ban the practice had been made by individual British officers in the 18th century, but without the backing of the British East India Company.[citation needed] The first formal British ban was imposed in 1798, in the city of Calcutta only. The practice continued in surrounding regions. In the beginning of the 19th century, the evangelical church in Britain, and its members in India, started campaigns against sati.
A closet pom is an Australian who is of British heritage who still feels connected to Britain in some ways. Every other ethnic group who lives in Australia can maintain their culture and applaud their heritage except for people of white British heritage for some silly reason.
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Reply #10 - Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:11pm
 
Svengali wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:05am:
Gnads wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 10:58am:
Well racist trollster

India was a colonial country as well

and if you've had any phone calls from

an Indian call centre made by Kolkata Kevin

then you would know it's just BS.


Indians are manning the call centres because no closet poms can be found that can speak the Queen's English.

Closet poms can't even spell Kevin, let alone Kolkata.


Incorrect ... Indians are manning call centres because rationalising companies go offshore in the name of cost cutting & to contract out this work because they pay Indians a pittance and people don't belong to Unions.

Try a modicum of truth in your responses.

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Reply #11 - Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:14pm
 
Dustwun wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:02pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:57am:
Dustwun wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:35am:
If you hate so much everything about Australia, why don't you just leave?


Not Australia, Dustwun, closet Poms. They're an inferior species.

This isn't racist. Closet Poms aren't a race.


What's a closet Pom?


I'm not sure, Dustwun, it's Sven's idea. Maybe it's a Pom who's loyalty still lies with Mother, not Australia - you know, like Mr Abbott.

Still, it's great to see you use clear examples and references. The closet Poms among us are still learning how to do this.

Low IQ, you see. Inferior breeding stock.
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Reply #12 - Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:15pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:03pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:57am:
Dustwun wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:35am:
If you hate so much everything about Australia, why don't you just leave?


Not Australia, Dustwun, closet Poms. They're an inferior species.

This isn't racist. Closet Poms aren't a race.
Your post definitely shows bigotry and prejudice. Welcome to the club Karnal Knowledge. Smiley


Bigotry and prejudice isn't racist, Homo, it's a good thing. If we're not bigoted and prejudiced, who will be?
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Reply #13 - Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:17pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:57am:
Dustwun wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:35am:
If you hate so much everything about Australia, why don't you just leave?


Not Australia, Dustwun, closet Poms. They're an inferior species.

This isn't racist. Closet Poms aren't a race.

We don't hate them, by the way, we just want to exclude them. Intermingling of the species should be forbidden.

Herbie has proven this point using the example of Aboriginal tribes. He doesn't know which tribes, just someone - sometime. If those tribes couldn't get along, how can we possibly make friends with the Poms?


Just like ISLAM isn't a "race" either ey?

Funny how you label people who are critical of Islam & it's followers as

bigots, Islamophobes & RACIST.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #14 - Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:19pm
 
Gnads wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 12:11pm:
Svengali wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 11:05am:
Gnads wrote on Apr 8th, 2016 at 10:58am:
Well racist trollster

India was a colonial country as well

and if you've had any phone calls from

an Indian call centre made by Kolkata Kevin

then you would know it's just BS.


Indians are manning the call centres because no closet poms can be found that can speak the Queen's English.

Closet poms can't even spell Kevin, let alone Kolkata.


Incorrect ... Indians are manning call centres because rationalising companies go offshore in the name of cost cutting & to contract out this work because they pay Indians a pittance and people don't belong to Unions.

Try a modicum of truth in your responses.



The situation could be reversed if they located call centres next to Australian pubs and paid closet poms in their favorite currency; slabs.
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