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You can take the woman out of Afghanistan
Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:14pm

But it appears you can't take her out of the bronze age.

So Ms Zia who came to Australia for what I can only imagine would be to gain the benefits of living in a free open secular society clings to her medieval belief system.

Not only that, she resorts to Islamism, using the laws of her new country to change things to accommodate her hard line Islamic beliefs.

I have no problem if Ms Zia wishes to get around in a bee keepers suit, she can dress as B1, I could care less. But to use a tax payer funded facility then ask them to change their policy to accommodate her Islamic beliefs of a man not being able to see her 'aurat'?

I'd also love to know the exact details of the "significant conflict"? Was it an Afghan husband per chance who went all 'Talian' at the thought of another man seeing his wife's 'aurat'?

But lawyers say a "significant conflict" arose when she requested female-only care.

Ms Zia is Muslim and believes it is a sin to be touched by a man who is not her husband or close family.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-06/complaint-sparks-change-in-major-hospitals...

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96347	Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan Reply #1 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:15pm Ban them.
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GordyL Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4365 Hate Town Gender:	Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan Reply #2 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:17pm Karnal wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:15pm: Ban them. Doctors? Who would be able to attend to your hemorrhoid?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan Reply #3 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:53pm GordyL wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:14pm: I have no problem if Ms Zia wishes to get around in a bee keepers suit, she can dress as B1, I could care less. I think we can safely say that you clearly do have a problem with it.
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Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan
Reply #4 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:54pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

I have no problem if Ms Zia wishes to get around in a bee keepers suit, she can dress as B1, I could care less.

I think we can safely say that you clearly do have a problem with it.

Who has the bigger problem, me or the woman who demanded the system change to suit her bronze age dogma?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan Reply #5 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 6:31pm Turns out your ranting about "beekeeper suits" was just your invention. So once we get passed your hysterics, the actual story turns out the story was rather mundane - a woman in a hospital requesting female-only handling - hardly the hallmarks of a radical/extremist.
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Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan
Reply #6 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 6:34pm

GordyL wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

I have no problem if Ms Zia wishes to get around in a bee keepers suit, she can dress as B1, I could care less.

I think we can safely say that you clearly do have a problem with it.

Who has the bigger problem, me or the woman who demanded the system change to suit her bronze age dogma?

She's hardly demanding the system change by requesting female-only care. Get a grip gordy.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan
Reply #7 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 7:05pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

I have no problem if Ms Zia wishes to get around in a bee keepers suit, she can dress as B1, I could care less.

I think we can safely say that you clearly do have a problem with it.

Who has the bigger problem, me or the woman who demanded the system change to suit her bronze age dogma?

She's hardly demanding the system change by requesting female-only care. Get a grip gordy.

At the time she attended her appointment in a PUBLIC hospital system there was no provision to select a doctor of a gender of your choosing.
She took action which has changed policy. Why?

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Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan
Reply #8 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 8:19pm

sexist muzzies.

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A major Melbourne hospital will give priority to requests for female-only care on cultural or personal grounds after a pregnant patient complained about treatment.

Ziarata Zia lodged the complaint with Victoria's Civil and Administrative Tribunal (VCAT) after her visit to Monash Health in 2013.

Ms Zia is Muslim and believes it is a sin to be touched by a man who is not her husband or close family.

But lawyers say a "significant conflict" arose when she requested female-only care.

The matter was settled, but it prompted a review of the hospital's policies by the Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission.

As a result of the review, the hospital said it would now give priority to requests for a female doctor because of religious or cultural beliefs or past trauma.

"We recognise that for cultural, religious or personal reasons a patient may ask to be seen by a carer of the same gender," Monash Women's director Professor Euan Wallace said.

"We will try to accommodate these requests whenever possible."

Professor Wallace said the hospital had been "clumsy" in communicating the choices on offer to its patients.

"I think what's come out of the review is that some of that hasn't been as visible as we'd like it to have been to the women we care for," he said.

"Essentially we're making the choices available to women more visible."

In a statement, Ms Zia said she welcomed the hospital's policy rethink.

"I'm not scared to ask for a female doctor anymore and I'm relieved that other women won't have the same experience I had," she said.

Melanie Schleiger from Victoria Legal Aid said it took courage for Ms Zia to speak up.

"This is a fantastic outcome, we're really pleased," she said.

"I have a huge amount of respect for Ms Zia.

"It took a tremendous amount of courage to make a complaint of discrimination and she was very keen to see the situation changed for the benefit of other people."

I would give them NO health care.

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Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan
Reply #9 - Apr 8^th, 2016 at 9:52pm

GordyL wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 7:05pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

I have no problem if Ms Zia wishes to get around in a bee keepers suit, she can dress as B1, I could care less.

I think we can safely say that you clearly do have a problem with it.

Who has the bigger problem, me or the woman who demanded the system change to suit her bronze age dogma?

She's hardly demanding the system change by requesting female-only care. Get a grip gordy.

At the time she attended her appointment in a PUBLIC hospital system there was no provision to select a doctor of a gender of your choosing.
She took action which has changed policy. Why?

Yes, and judging by the response of the VEO and HRC, this was not typical or even expected hospital behaviour. I too would think its a fairly basic requirement for a hospital to cater for people who have cultural or personal requirements to be treated by a doctor of the same gender. Especially with something as sensitive as pregnancy matters.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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boxy Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 400 Gender:	Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan Reply #11 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:25am Wow, a female patient demanding a female doctor for her intimate examinations... I'm sure that's never happened before
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96347	Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan Reply #12 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:57am FD’s up.for it - as a champion of women’s rights.
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Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan
Reply #14 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 7:57am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 9:52pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 7:05pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 8^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

I have no problem if Ms Zia wishes to get around in a bee keepers suit, she can dress as B1, I could care less.

I think we can safely say that you clearly do have a problem with it.

Who has the bigger problem, me or the woman who demanded the system change to suit her bronze age dogma?

She's hardly demanding the system change by requesting female-only care. Get a grip gordy.

At the time she attended her appointment in a PUBLIC hospital system there was no provision to select a doctor of a gender of your choosing.
She took action which has changed policy. Why?

Yes, and judging by the response of the VEO and HRC, this was not typical or even expected hospital behaviour. I too would think its a fairly basic requirement for a hospital to cater for people who have cultural or personal requirements to be treated by a doctor of the same gender. Especially with something as sensitive as pregnancy matters.

Gandalf, have you had a child through the public system?
An antenatal check up goes a bit like this.

Sit in a waiting room bursting with patients for about 2 hours and get the next OBGYN or midwife available.
It's the public system, you get what you get and you don't get upset.

Cost $0.00

If you want to choose your own OBGYN there are no end of alternatives outside of the public system.

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