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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138923 Gender:	Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan Reply #45 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:35pm Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:34pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:02pm: So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor?? Of course. So where does it end? What are you worried about?
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Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan
Reply #46 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:37pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:02pm:

So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor??

Of course.

So where does it end?

Oh, I'd say it ends with people pretending they have Pakistani neighbours.

Or maybe it's just the beginning.

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Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan
Reply #47 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:38pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:02pm:

So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor??

Of course.

So where does it end?

Oh, I'd say it ends with people pretending they have Pakistani neighbours.

Or maybe it's just the beginning.

Why would I lie about having Pakistani neighbours love nuts? It's nothing to gloat about. His property looks like a 3rd world craphole.

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Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan
Reply #48 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:42pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:02pm:

So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor??

Of course.

So where does it end?

Oh, I'd say it ends with people pretending they have Pakistani neighbours.

Or maybe it's just the beginning.

Why would I lie about having Pakistani neighbours love nuts?

The only reason I can think of is you want to prove your "Western Sydney" credentials. You know, you went to school with a boong, there's a mosque in the next suburb, and your neighbour's a dirty Tree-lopping Paki.

Am I right?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138923 Gender:	Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan Reply #49 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:44pm Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:38pm: His property looks like a 3rd world craphole. Ah, so they do blend in.
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Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan
Reply #50 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:45pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:02pm:

So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor??

Of course.

So where does it end?

Oh, I'd say it ends with people pretending they have Pakistani neighbours.

Or maybe it's just the beginning.

Why would I lie about having Pakistani neighbours love nuts?

The only reason I can think of is you want to prove your "Western Sydney" credentials. You know, you went to school with a boong, there's a mosque in the next suburb, and your neighbour's a dirty Tree-lopping Paki.

Am I right?

Nope. I'd rather live with aussies. Except for my Vietnamese neighbours. They are great people. It's just a fact that I'm live in a very multicultural suburb with 2 mosques within a couple of kms of my house. I didn't put them there jism bucket.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan Reply #51 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:46pm greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:44pm: Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:38pm: His property looks like a 3rd world craphole. Ah, so they do blend in. He certainly wouldn't blend into you urban white professional yuppie enclave. I live in the real world.
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greggerypeccary

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Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan
Reply #52 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:47pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:02pm:

So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor??

Of course.

So where does it end?

Oh, I'd say it ends with people pretending they have Pakistani neighbours.

Or maybe it's just the beginning.

Why would I lie about having Pakistani neighbours love nuts?

The only reason I can think of is you want to prove your "Western Sydney" credentials. You know, you went to school with a boong, there's a mosque in the next suburb, and your neighbour's a dirty Tree-lopping Paki.

Am I right?

Nope. I'd rather live with aussies. Except for my Vietnamese neighbours. They are great people. It's just a fact that I'm live in a very multicultural suburb with 2 mosques within a couple of kms of my house. I didn't put them there jism bucket.

Very multicultural?

How many different cultures, Homo?

I bet it's not as multicultural as my suburb.

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Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan
Reply #53 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:02pm:

So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor??

Of course.

So where does it end?

Oh, I'd say it ends with people pretending they have Pakistani neighbours.

Or maybe it's just the beginning.

Why would I lie about having Pakistani neighbours love nuts?

The only reason I can think of is you want to prove your "Western Sydney" credentials. You know, you went to school with a boong, there's a mosque in the next suburb, and your neighbour's a dirty Tree-lopping Paki.

Am I right?

Nope. I'd rather live with aussies. Except for my Vietnamese neighbours. They are great people. It's just a fact that I'm live in a very multicultural suburb with 2 mosques within a couple of kms of my house. I didn't put them there jism bucket.

Very multicultural?

How many different cultures, Homo?

I bet it's not as multicultural as my suburb.

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Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan
Reply #54 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:54pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:02pm:

So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor??

Of course.

So where does it end?

Oh, I'd say it ends with people pretending they have Pakistani neighbours.

Or maybe it's just the beginning.

Why would I lie about having Pakistani neighbours love nuts?

The only reason I can think of is you want to prove your "Western Sydney" credentials. You know, you went to school with a boong, there's a mosque in the next suburb, and your neighbour's a dirty Tree-lopping Paki.

Am I right?

Nope. I'd rather live with aussies. Except for my Vietnamese neighbours. They are great people. It's just a fact that I'm live in a very multicultural suburb with 2 mosques within a couple of kms of my house. I didn't put them there jism bucket.

Very multicultural?

How many different cultures, Homo?

I bet it's not as multicultural as my suburb.

How many cultures, Homo?

What suburb is it?

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Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan
Reply #55 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:56pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:02pm:

So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor??

Of course.

So where does it end?

What is it that worries you?

You haven't told us yet.

Where do you think it's going to end?

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Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan
Reply #56 - Apr 9^th, 2016 at 5:24pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 4:02pm:

So does that mean a non muslim woman can reject being touched by a male muslim doctor??

Of course.

So where does it end?

Oh, I'd say it ends with people pretending they have Pakistani neighbours.

Or maybe it's just the beginning.

Why would I lie about having Pakistani neighbours love nuts?

The only reason I can think of is you want to prove your "Western Sydney" credentials. You know, you went to school with a boong, there's a mosque in the next suburb, and your neighbour's a dirty Tree-lopping Paki.

Am I right?

Nope. I'd rather live with aussies. Except for my Vietnamese neighbours.

I like my Vietnamese neighbours too, Homo. They're great at gardening. One Vietnamese man cycles around selling tomatoes and herbs from the garden, door to door.

You see? They do add to our respective communities. I'm glad we agree.

You even get deliveries of free goat meat at Eid, remember?

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Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan
Reply #57 - Apr 10^th, 2016 at 8:18am

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:51pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

Boges do you think its reasonable for the hospital to now "give priority to requests for female-only care".

Turns out gordy agreed with this all along.

Request is fine. Demand is not. Do you agree?
Yes or no answer will be fine.

Of course gordy. Isn't it funny how your entire hissy fit over this story is over some 'demand' that existed only in your imagination.

So Gandalf, hypothetically,

If a woman who's so devoted she wears a burqa/niqab politely asks for a female doctor and is politely denied due to operational reasons, would she leave it like that and say, no worries and accept a male doctor?

What do you think would happen next?

LOL you have no shame gordy!

Who said anything about what she was wearing? Where the hell did you get this idea about an imaginary burqa/niqab??

This entire thread is just you making crap up.

One of Victoria's largest hospitals will change its policy on female-only care after a Muslim patient wearing a full-length niqab complained of discrimination during an antenatal visit at one of its clinics.

For Ziarata Zia, the niqab she wears – which reveals only her eyes, hands and feet – is central to her Muslim faith.

http://m.theage.com.au/victoria/monash-hospital-agrees-to-femaleonly-doctor-requests-after-complaint-20150505-ggukq9.html

Gandy?

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Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan
Reply #58 - Apr 10^th, 2016 at 9:33am

GordyL wrote on Apr 10^th, 2016 at 8:18am:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:51pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

Boges do you think its reasonable for the hospital to now "give priority to requests for female-only care".

Turns out gordy agreed with this all along.

Request is fine. Demand is not. Do you agree?
Yes or no answer will be fine.

Of course gordy. Isn't it funny how your entire hissy fit over this story is over some 'demand' that existed only in your imagination.

So Gandalf, hypothetically,

If a woman who's so devoted she wears a burqa/niqab politely asks for a female doctor and is politely denied due to operational reasons, would she leave it like that and say, no worries and accept a male doctor?

What do you think would happen next?

LOL you have no shame gordy!

Who said anything about what she was wearing? Where the hell did you get this idea about an imaginary burqa/niqab??

This entire thread is just you making crap up.

One of Victoria's largest hospitals will change its policy on female-only care after a Muslim patient wearing a full-length niqab complained of discrimination during an antenatal visit at one of its clinics.

For Ziarata Zia, the niqab she wears – which reveals only her eyes, hands and feet – is central to her Muslim faith.

http://m.theage.com.au/victoria/monash-hospital-agrees-to-femaleonly-doctor-requests-after-complaint-20150505-ggukq9.html

Gandy?

Fair enough then. Although you were referencing an article that was never quoted until now.

More importantly though, your claim that she "demanded" a female doctor is confected. The sad truth about this thread is she did nothing more than ask for what you now concede is something that is "perfectly reasonable"

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: You can take the woman out of Afghanistan
Reply #59 - Apr 10^th, 2016 at 9:46am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 10^th, 2016 at 9:33am:

GordyL wrote on Apr 10^th, 2016 at 8:18am:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:51pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 9^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

Boges do you think its reasonable for the hospital to now "give priority to requests for female-only care".

Turns out gordy agreed with this all along.

Request is fine. Demand is not. Do you agree?
Yes or no answer will be fine.

Of course gordy. Isn't it funny how your entire hissy fit over this story is over some 'demand' that existed only in your imagination.

So Gandalf, hypothetically,

If a woman who's so devoted she wears a burqa/niqab politely asks for a female doctor and is politely denied due to operational reasons, would she leave it like that and say, no worries and accept a male doctor?

What do you think would happen next?

LOL you have no shame gordy!

Who said anything about what she was wearing? Where the hell did you get this idea about an imaginary burqa/niqab??

This entire thread is just you making crap up.

One of Victoria's largest hospitals will change its policy on female-only care after a Muslim patient wearing a full-length niqab complained of discrimination during an antenatal visit at one of its clinics.

For Ziarata Zia, the niqab she wears – which reveals only her eyes, hands and feet – is central to her Muslim faith.

http://m.theage.com.au/victoria/monash-hospital-agrees-to-femaleonly-doctor-requests-after-complaint-20150505-ggukq9.html

Gandy?

Fair enough then. Although you were referencing an article that was never quoted until now.

More importantly though, your claim that she "demanded" a female doctor is confected. The sad truth about this thread is she did nothing more than ask for what you now concede is something that is "perfectly reasonable"

This bit:

Two years ago, a significant conflict arose during Ms Zia's antenatal consultation at a Monash clinic

In my experience, hospital staff, particular in emergency centers can be very 'matter of fact' and seem uncaring due to the huge amount of stressed people they see.

Staff in birthing centers, not so much and they're not in the business of causing

significant conflict

How do you think a particularly devout Afghan man would react to a male doctor seeing his niqab clad wife's gentiles?
Do you think he was the sourch of the

significant conflict

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