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Reply #30 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:45pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity.

Different animal.

Really? To whom was he addressing the comment? Was it the tooth fairy?

she obviously didn't read the article. Grin

You couldn't work it out for yourself either hey? Roll Eyes

First base in the whole post was that he was insensitive to people who have been molested and you didn't know that fact from the start. That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. Grin

He wasn't though. He denounced people who are overcome with self pity. His reference to people who have been abused was in direct reference to people wanting great works of art censored.

This has been explained to you twice now.

Jesus, talking about the tooth fairy, it's like pulling teeth.

Love, the article was about his insensitive comments. He was blaming censorship in the arts on molestation victims who ban certain images etc.

Yes. THose overcome with self pity. Keep up Hammer.

Yes, and used molestation victims as an example. Anyway it's a bloody stupid argument from the start. A while back he did a show on homophobia. If he wants total freedom of expression then I hope he won't mind a 10 foot high canvas with P O O F T E R painted in pink painted across it.

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Re: Self Pity/Abuse Victims
Reply #31 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:45pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity.

Different animal.

Really? To whom was he addressing the comment? Was it the tooth fairy?

People overcome with self pity, obviously.

Is there an echo in here?

So, this:

Quote:

“It’s a great shame that your uncle touched you in that nasty place — you get some of my sympathy — but your self pity gets none of my sympathy.”

....was not being addressed to an abuse victim. I see.

In direct reference to self pity.

Why is this so hard to follow?

Tell me, whose self pity was he referring to?

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Reply #32 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:47pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:45pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity.

Different animal.

Really? To whom was he addressing the comment? Was it the tooth fairy?

People overcome with self pity, obviously.

Is there an echo in here?

So, this:

Quote:

“It’s a great shame that your uncle touched you in that nasty place — you get some of my sympathy — but your self pity gets none of my sympathy.”

....was not being addressed to an abuse victim. I see.

In direct reference to self pity.

Why is this so hard to follow?

Tell me, whose self pity was he referring to?

Irrelevant.

More importantly, he is not talking about the victims of abuse per se.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38862 Gender:	Re: Self Pity/Abuse Victims Reply #33 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:49pm It is not irrelevant. Further, I was simply answering your silly comments. Fry was being critical of victims of abuse who wallow in self pity, and I agree with him.
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Reply #34 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:49pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:45pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity.

Different animal.

Really? To whom was he addressing the comment? Was it the tooth fairy?

she obviously didn't read the article. Grin

You couldn't work it out for yourself either hey? Roll Eyes

First base in the whole post was that he was insensitive to people who have been molested and you didn't know that fact from the start. That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. Grin

He wasn't though. He denounced people who are overcome with self pity. His reference to people who have been abused was in direct reference to people wanting great works of art censored.

This has been explained to you twice now.

Jesus, talking about the tooth fairy, it's like pulling teeth.

Love, the article was about his insensitive comments. He was blaming censorship in the arts on molestation victims who ban certain images etc.

Yes. THose overcome with self pity. Keep up Hammer.

Yes, and used molestation victims as an example. Anyway it's a bloody stupid argument from the start. A while back he did a show on homophobia. If he wants total freedom of expression then I hope he won't mind a 10 foot high canvas with P O O F T E R painted in pink painted across it.

Molestation victims who reside in a place of self pity.

It is an important distinction. One that Aussie did not make in his thread title and opening post.

THAT is what i am arguing.

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mothra Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 35587 Gender:	Re: Self Pity/Abuse Victims Reply #35 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:50pm Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:49pm: It is not irrelevant. Further, I was simply answering your silly comments. Fry was being critical of victims of abuse who wallow in self pity, and I agree with him. I have made no silly comments. I've called you on your insensitivity. You appear not to like it very much.
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Reply #36 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:52pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

It is not irrelevant. Further, I was simply answering your silly comments.

Fry was being critical of victims of abuse who wallow in self pity, and I agree with him.

I have made no silly comments. I've called you on your insensitivity.

You appear not to like it very much.

I am utterly unconcerned (could not care less) that anyone who does not know me regards me as insensitive. That is irrelevant.

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Reply #37 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:52pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:45pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity.

Different animal.

Really? To whom was he addressing the comment? Was it the tooth fairy?

she obviously didn't read the article. Grin

You couldn't work it out for yourself either hey? Roll Eyes

First base in the whole post was that he was insensitive to people who have been molested and you didn't know that fact from the start. That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. Grin

He wasn't though. He denounced people who are overcome with self pity. His reference to people who have been abused was in direct reference to people wanting great works of art censored.

This has been explained to you twice now.

Jesus, talking about the tooth fairy, it's like pulling teeth.

Love, the article was about his insensitive comments. He was blaming censorship in the arts on molestation victims who ban certain images etc.

Yes. THose overcome with self pity. Keep up Hammer.

Yes, and used molestation victims as an example. Anyway it's a bloody stupid argument from the start. A while back he did a show on homophobia. If he wants total freedom of expression then I hope he won't mind a 10 foot high canvas with P O O F T E R painted in pink painted across it.

Molestation victims who reside in a place of self pity.

It is an important distinction. One that Aussie did not make in his thread title and opening post.

THAT is what i am arguing.

So he believes some self pitying molestation victims and other self pitiers are complaining and getting cutting edged art banned? Huh

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Reply #38 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:56pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:52pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:45pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity.

Different animal.

Really? To whom was he addressing the comment? Was it the tooth fairy?

she obviously didn't read the article. Grin

You couldn't work it out for yourself either hey? Roll Eyes

First base in the whole post was that he was insensitive to people who have been molested and you didn't know that fact from the start. That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. Grin

He wasn't though. He denounced people who are overcome with self pity. His reference to people who have been abused was in direct reference to people wanting great works of art censored.

This has been explained to you twice now.

Jesus, talking about the tooth fairy, it's like pulling teeth.

Love, the article was about his insensitive comments. He was blaming censorship in the arts on molestation victims who ban certain images etc.

Yes. THose overcome with self pity. Keep up Hammer.

Yes, and used molestation victims as an example. Anyway it's a bloody stupid argument from the start. A while back he did a show on homophobia. If he wants total freedom of expression then I hope he won't mind a 10 foot high canvas with P O O F T E R painted in pink painted across it.

Molestation victims who reside in a place of self pity.

It is an important distinction. One that Aussie did not make in his thread title and opening post.

THAT is what i am arguing.

So he believes some self pitying molestation victims and other self pitiers are complaining and getting cutting edged art banned? Huh

Not just cutting edge art. THe old classics too. Like people complaining about Macbeth or Medea because they contain child murder.

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Reply #39 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:56pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:52pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:50pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

It is not irrelevant. Further, I was simply answering your silly comments.

Fry was being critical of victims of abuse who wallow in self pity, and I agree with him.

I have made no silly comments. I've called you on your insensitivity.

You appear not to like it very much.

I am utterly unconcerned (could not care less) that anyone who does not know me regards me as insensitive. That is irrelevant.

That is fortunate for you.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Self Pity/Abuse Victims Reply #40 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:58pm Nothing wrong with what he said. Nothing at all. The only thing amusing about this is that he was the beneficiary of the victimhood-industrial complex a year or so ago when he wed his boyfriend, but now he's become a victim of it.
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Reply #41 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:58pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:56pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:52pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:45pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity.

Different animal.

Really? To whom was he addressing the comment? Was it the tooth fairy?

she obviously didn't read the article. Grin

You couldn't work it out for yourself either hey? Roll Eyes

First base in the whole post was that he was insensitive to people who have been molested and you didn't know that fact from the start. That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. Grin

He wasn't though. He denounced people who are overcome with self pity. His reference to people who have been abused was in direct reference to people wanting great works of art censored.

This has been explained to you twice now.

Jesus, talking about the tooth fairy, it's like pulling teeth.

Love, the article was about his insensitive comments. He was blaming censorship in the arts on molestation victims who ban certain images etc.

Yes. THose overcome with self pity. Keep up Hammer.

Yes, and used molestation victims as an example. Anyway it's a bloody stupid argument from the start. A while back he did a show on homophobia. If he wants total freedom of expression then I hope he won't mind a 10 foot high canvas with P O O F T E R painted in pink painted across it.

Molestation victims who reside in a place of self pity.

It is an important distinction. One that Aussie did not make in his thread title and opening post.

THAT is what i am arguing.

So he believes some self pitying molestation victims and other self pitiers are complaining and getting cutting edged art banned? Huh

Not just cutting edge art. THe old classics too. Like people complaining about Macbeth or Medea banned because they contain child murder.

That's not only quite nasty and insensitive but insane. And you agree with this rubbish?

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Reply #42 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:00pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:58pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:56pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:52pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:45pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity.

Different animal.

Really? To whom was he addressing the comment? Was it the tooth fairy?

she obviously didn't read the article. Grin

You couldn't work it out for yourself either hey? Roll Eyes

First base in the whole post was that he was insensitive to people who have been molested and you didn't know that fact from the start. That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. Grin

He wasn't though. He denounced people who are overcome with self pity. His reference to people who have been abused was in direct reference to people wanting great works of art censored.

This has been explained to you twice now.

Jesus, talking about the tooth fairy, it's like pulling teeth.

Love, the article was about his insensitive comments. He was blaming censorship in the arts on molestation victims who ban certain images etc.

Yes. THose overcome with self pity. Keep up Hammer.

Yes, and used molestation victims as an example. Anyway it's a bloody stupid argument from the start. A while back he did a show on homophobia. If he wants total freedom of expression then I hope he won't mind a 10 foot high canvas with P O O F T E R painted in pink painted across it.

Molestation victims who reside in a place of self pity.

It is an important distinction. One that Aussie did not make in his thread title and opening post.

THAT is what i am arguing.

So he believes some self pitying molestation victims and other self pitiers are complaining and getting cutting edged art banned? Huh

Not just cutting edge art. THe old classics too. Like people complaining about Macbeth or Medea banned because they contain child murder.

That's not only quite nasty and insensitive but insane. And you agree with this rubbish?

Not in the slightest. On that issue, i agree with Stephen Fry.

I disagree with him on being contemptuous of people who are labouring under self pity. I'm more inclined to feel very sorry for them.

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Reply #43 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:01pm

... wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:58pm:

Nothing wrong with what he said. Nothing at all.

The only thing amusing about this is that he was the beneficiary of the victimhood-industrial complex a year or so ago when he wed his boyfriend, but now he's become a victim of it.

He did a show on homophobia where he travelled around the world talking to gay people who have been abused (the same people Fry thinks are self pitiers). Then he gets depressed from these stories and tries to kill himself, which he then tells the world. And now he says this stuff. What a f a rking hypocrite. Grin

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Reply #44 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:05pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

... wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:58pm:

Nothing wrong with what he said. Nothing at all.

The only thing amusing about this is that he was the beneficiary of the victimhood-industrial complex a year or so ago when he wed his boyfriend, but now he's become a victim of it.

He did a show on homophobia where he travelled around the world talking to gay people who have been abused (the same people Fry thinks are self pitiers). Then he gets depressed from these stories and tries to kill himself, which he then tells the world. And now he says this stuff. What a f a rking hypocrite. Grin

Hammer. Focus.

Fry did NOT say people who had been abused were self pitiers. He said self pitiers were self pitiers.

It's Aussie who's thrown a cat amongst the pigeons by conflating them.

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